Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[igor_kavinski]

(or 13600kf / 12900k for $250).

Go for the 13600KF for the additional 6MB L2 cache.

 

[Alexium]

12900k is faster everywhere, though (which is expected - it has two more big cores), so I guess it comes down to which seller is more reputable. On the other hand, the 13 series seems to be better tuned (or just better stepping) in terms of power efficiency - still terrible, but better.
But please tell me, do I need a Z series mobo to undervolt these CPUs?

 

[igor_kavinski]

But please tell me, do I need a Z series mobo to undervolt these CPUs?

Possible with B760M but caveats involved:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/14y1mle/are_you_able_to_undervolt_with_msi_b760_or

If you are going for undervolt anyway, just ask in the FS/FT section on these forums for a used AM5 CPU and maybe mobo. Someone may be itching to upgrade to something more expensive.

 

[Rigg]

But please tell me, do I need a Z series mobo to undervolt these CPUs?

Officially yes. There are some ways around this on B series boards but I wouldn't bother. The price difference between a Z and B board with enough VRM to support a 12900K isn't enough to pick the B board. You can't just slap a 12900k into any old motherboard and call it a day. The VRM's on many B series boards are hot garbage and would severely throttle a 12900k under heavy load. The same goes for certain entry level tier Z boards to a lesser extent.

Are you in the US? If so, how far away from a Micro Center are you?

 

[Alexium]

Thanks a lot for the answer! That's a good point about the VRM, but I thought it won't be as big a deal because I wanted to throttle it anyway. Still an important consideration. Half the Z690 boards I looked at don't look very trustworthy in that regard.

Things would probably be a lot simpler if I was in the U. S., but I'm in Ukraine - where median income is 10x less, and hardware is 30% more expensive (import tax).

 

[igor_kavinski]

Things would probably be a lot simpler if I was in the U. S., but I'm in Ukraine - where median income is 10x less, and hardware is 30% more expensive (import tax).

Maybe @adroc_thurston has something decent lying around that he doesn't need anymore.

 

[adroc_thurston]

but I'm in Ukraine - where median income is 10x less, and hardware is 30% more expensive (import tax).

зате 5% налогів. каєф. марожєно.

Maybe @adroc_thurston has something decent lying around that he doesn't need anymore.

I don't have much salvage outside of very extensive smartphone collection dating all the way back to 2005/6-ish (Nokia N70 is the first one).

 

[igor_kavinski]

I don't have much salvage outside of very extensive smartphone collection dating all the way back to 2005/6-ish (Nokia N70 is the first one).

Understandable coz they take up less space. Your favorite?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Your favorite?

Nokia N900.

 

[biostud]

ASRock releases APO BIOS for 12th and 13th gen processors

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1btp4o3/weekly_bios_update_post_week_14_2024

 

[Hulk]

It gets cold in my basement office this time of year when the weather changes suddenly. The heat is no longer on because it's warm upstairs yet the ground is still cold so it's cool in the basement. Only generally lasts 2 weeks or so. I was getting ready to plug in a space heater.... you know what's coming.

Then I was like I have some video to compress. Turned up PL1 to 250W on the old 14900K and BOOM! 250W space heater. An hour later and it's feeling much better! Do that with your efficient AMD Zen CPU's!!!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Puget Mobile 17" vs M3 Max MacBook Pro 16" for Content Creation

How does the new Puget Mobile 17" compare to the top-end M3 Max MacBook Pro 16" in performance for content creation?

www.pugetsystems.com

Those two tests are possibly not optimized to use the GPU on the x86 side (yeah, good luck trying to convince me that the Apple GPU is somehow faster than a 4090M).



In preview mode, both platforms suffer from bad performance in particular tests but then make up for the performance loss in the final render FPS. Gaming Intro test is possibly unoptimized on x86.



Looking at the video editing scores, it looks like it's a bloodbath with the Apple GPU drenched in its own grease but individual scores reveal that it scores some significant wins. Despite that, the higher price and engineering of Apple's crack CPU design team managed to disappoint here.



Raptor Lake continues the massacre in Da Vinci Resolve (Hulk will be mighty pleased by now ). The individual tests are too many to compare here. I don't have all day








^^^ Yeah, that's why you can't convince me that the Apple GPU is anything special.

Continued in next post...

 

[igor_kavinski]

Apple wins the CPU part of Redshift/Cinebench rendering but gets decapitated in the GPU part.



Apple users, regretting throwing away your dollars now?

I have elected to ignore the battery scores because seriously, who does serious professional work on battery? Maybe in a country where you frequently get blackouts for hours.

And yes, I have focused on highlighting Apple's weaknesses due to their insistence on higher prices implying that they are "superior". Feel free to post a rebuttal.