RANT: Things every student getting into the computers field *should* know.

[Dug]

Originally posted by: spidey07
yllus,
you have much to learn.

Degrees have very little to do with career and what your degree is in has even LESS to do with advancement/challenge.

Once you've been in the "real world" a while you'll understand.

Don't fret though...most of us were young, dumb and full of *** in college or when we graduated. You eventually get over it.

I absolutely agree.

yllus-
Your preconceptions will do you no good in the real world. Maybe when you are humbled by someone with experience, you will understand.

 

[Descartes]

Yet another myopic soliloquy so fitting of AT. It's unfortunate that you understand so little of how our industry works, but by the time you figure it out it might very well be too late. I would have sympathy for you if you didn't speak pejoratively with hubris atypical of a geek. It takes someone of experience to realize that the business facet of software is absolutely essential if you wish to succeed, and the more you revel in these little esotericisms the more likely you are to be commoditized. If you can't project a business value independent of your technical value you will be relegated to the same status as that person you admonish with your words. You might not understand this now, but you will at some point.

 

[skace]

This is sully correct? Is this a joke? I don't recall you being an asshole.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: skace
This is sully correct? Is this a joke? I don't recall you being an asshole.

Hey skace.

Yeah it was a joke, but only those who know me personally or weren't spoken against in the OP seem to understand that. Ah well. For more certain humour, see *RANT* Things every student should know about getting into the Fast Food field.

 

[MrColin]

2) MIS is not the same as CS. MIS isn't even a degree. MIS students are guys who learned how to design and program a database and added some courses in accounting, finance and management to try and round out the equation. That's what, 16 credits tops? What the hell did you do in your 2nd, 3rd and 4th year of studies?

As accountants we mop the floors with all you guys before outsourcing your positions overseas.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: RichieZ
is IT even a degree? They don't offer it where i go to school

I've never seen an IT major before either and I always thought MIS was a concentration you can take during your MBA, and that the MBA was what put food on table for these people.

Anyway, I do agree with the OP's view on jobs being exported, basic economics states that a country should focus on those things that it does best in, and in a country with the finest educational system in world that means people need to switch to those fields that require the most education and hence create the most value.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Engineering parties suck, the sausage to taco ratio is totally skewed in the wrong direction

I keep forgetting that things aren't quite the same all over. Locally our engineers tend to team up and hold parties in conjunction with nursing students and things work out A-okay.

Yes, but it's much better when you can remind the nursing students that you're the boss/going to be the boss.

So true, and our jobs ain't going anywhere soon to boot!

 

[MithShrike]

My god man. You are a sad exclusionist fool. Anyway, yes there are different levels of education and CS people are usually quite smart. However, I do not think that, simply because you are in CS, that you are superior. Anyway, I haven't met you in person so I can't say much more.

 

[melly]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Oh, I don't think EEs are smarter than CS majors. That's ridiculous. I think the programs might be more difficult in a general sense. I wouldn't say a person in engineering or science is smarter than someone in pottery, but that engineering/science is more difficult than pottery

Very good and accurate statement.

Originally posted by: PunDogg
your a moron, most of my friends who graduated with MIS have real jobs, were as the CS majors, they were in the near top of there class, were about to be shipped to india, so they had to go back to school and get some mangement courses to get them a job, so do blame the economeny, and just cuz your good at something does not mean you will find a good paying job for it, you must have missed that class in finance and econ, ooh wait you didn;t have to take one, you didnt; have to take real world class you moron, CS is a respectfull field, but don't $hit on anyone else just cuz you can't do there work and you are too stupid to even try.

Dogg

Never make claims on another's intelligence when you have not yet mastered:

A) The difference between "your" and "you're".
B) The difference between "there" and "their".
C) The spelling of basic words like "management", "economy", "respectful".

Don't try to protest, "It's a message board, who cares about spelling!" Just hop, skip and jump your way down to a Spelling and Grammar 101 program at the local community college, tout suite.

Seeing as how the correct term is tout de suite, do you prefer I skip the normal spelling of "owned" in favour of 0wned or pwned?

 

[igowerf]

A lot of computer scientists seem to think like this, especially now that CS jobs are hard to find. Ironically, people who dabble in CS along with another field have an easier time getting jobs (MIS, IT, etc) related to computer science. Maybe CS just isn't well rounded enough for the current job market.

 

[nd]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Whoever said CE knows everything than an EE does and then some seriously needs to learn about specialization. It's very rare for me to find a CE who knows about device fabrication, layout/floorplanning, and transistor level digital design. It's also very rare for me to find an EE who's into CAD, OS Design, and Programming in generally. Different major, different skills.

I'd say it depends on the area of specialization for the CMPE (on a side note: people usually assume CE to be Civil engineering so I use CMPE). Transistor level design is covered in one of the advanced electives in our CMPE curriculum at UW-Madison. Most students specializing in VLSI take it, but CMPE majors could take another EE class (from a small list) in place of that if they choose. Same for layout.

But I agree with your main point which is that a CMPE doesn't know everything an EE does (and obviously, the converse is also true).