Rant: The Scam of Corporate America

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roguerower

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Then tell whoever it is to get a better job.

I work for a private construction firm, get paid very well with great benefits, and I get to see my contribution to the company and world every single day. So far, no complaints.
 

busydude

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Feb 5, 2010
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If I was a business owner I wouldn't be wasting my time on here! lulz.

Hehe.

My dad is a business owner.. and I know him as more of a businessman than a father. I don't want to do the same to my kids. I know that is a pure anecdote, but I cannot see beyond that for now.
 

Josh

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who funds anything? Who funded facebook? who funded google? Who funded microsoft?

Family members with money, Friends with money, angel investors, venture capitalists, SBA, etc etc

However, every person with an idea does not have access to these resources. I do believe though with enough effort and if you truly believe in the business you want to create then you can figure out how to make it happen - but it most likely will be a HUGE risk (i.e. going into debt, living poor for a while, etc).
 

yllus

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Where do you work that you believe such horseshit? The owner of my company works basically 24/7. When I worked for a fortune 250 company the executives were always working. Go to a conference over the weekend, take the red eye home, be at work at 7:30 AM on Monday looking tired. The idea the upper management and owners of companies work less than their subordinates is really naive.

Yeah, this whole rant kind of falls apart for me as everyone who ranks higher than me works progressively more hours. I've worked closely with a couple of CEOs and directors of mid-to-large companies and they all work more than I really ever want to. It's a whole new level of stress, too.
 
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Macamus Prime

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Shit slides downhill in corporate America.

If you are not capable of planning, scheming and cheating your way to the top, then you will not see or enjoy success. You need to be a bastard.
 

Glitchny

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There are people and influences stopping us all. I thankfully have opened my eyes and I am working towards my goals but I too have been held back like others from procrastinations and the temptations of short term happiness.

Peer pressure, teachers, parents, educational institutions, and the media have all brainwashed us into thinking self sacrificing your self to a corporation is the most noble of professions.

I am questioning why others haven't opened their eyes and I hope they will see what I see.

When did this happen? For as long as I can remember working as a corporate drone has been frowned upon by all of those except maybe the media. I've never really had the whole sacrificing yourself for the corporation thing pushed on me... strange that you think its commonplace.
 

dr150

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Dont like working for someone else? Start your own damn company. I did.

Bingo.

OP, start your own business and put all your effort into it. If you ever go to a wealthy neighborhood or read stats on it's residents, nearly 90% are in the hands of entrepreneurs, with the rest being doctors, lawyers, finance.

As the saying goes; "Nobody got rich working for someone else". It's all about them, and likewise it'll be all about you with your business. Just remember, you'll sacrifice vacations the first few years and your business will weigh heavy on your mind on a day to day business as it's your baby.
 

lokiju

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You're completely missing my point. I'm using leasing cars as an example of someone who is living a lifestyle they cannot afford.

This is not an autobiographical post. I own my late model car outrite and have no debt and own a business. I'm speaking to this in general of why most people give up so much of themselves to the corporate life.

Why question is, why do so many people care so much about their jobs when so few reap of the benefits of it's success?

Stability, insurance, laziness, upbringing, fear of failing.

All that and more.

You COULD make it big with your own business, but reality is the majority fail worse than most marriages.

For some, it's about providing your services in return for a steady paycheck that you're hopefully happy with without all that other risk and burden.

Company you're working for goes belly up, move onto the next place to work.

I've known to many family members and friends that have tried to go at it on their own and haven't succeeded and held on to long to keep the dream alive at the cost of burning through all their savings and putting themselves over their head into a lifetime of debt.

I've seen some make it as well.

It's a gamble and some people don't like to gamble with their source of income.

I am in no way anti-entrepreneurship and have done my own PC repair business years ago and even written up a number of business plans with a close friend over the years and shopped it to financial backers.

Now in my 30's with a mortgage, wife and kid, I want the sure thing.

Down the road when I have some cash in the bank that's free and clear and beyond my planned savings then I'd absolutely be open to trying to start something up again if everything lined up.

I don't care so much about my job, I care so much about what the income from my job affords me.
 

bas1c

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Family members with money, Friends with money, angel investors, venture capitalists, SBA, etc etc

However, every person with an idea does not have access to these resources. I do believe though with enough effort and if you truly believe in the business you want to create then you can figure out how to make it happen - but it most likely will be a HUGE risk (i.e. going into debt, living poor for a while, etc).

Not to mention for every great idea there are millions of bad ones or rehashes. I reiterate my previous post. IceBerg and the OP make it sound like everyone can and should be successful as a self employed person if they just keep plugging and chugging. That is not the case. Most people are schmucks. I point to the Dunning-Kruger effect.
 

AMCRambler

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I was talking with my a friend about some stuff because they were stressed about the pressures of their job. My friends works for a new company that's well funded and has the potential to become very successful in it's industry.

I noticed how many people, especially young people want so badly to be part of a company and help contribute to a business and be somehow part of any success that business acheives. They feel huge pressures from society, bosses, and even parents to perform. This causes a lot of young people a lot of stress. But if you think about it, most of the time it's really a scam.

Why would you want to sacrifice your mental capacity, all your ambitions and strengths, and most importantly your time to spend it on contributing towards someone else's company and goal?

Even more, stress causes physical damage, it shortens your life and deteriorates your health, so in effect, you are physically sacrificing your body to make other people wealthy, while you often receive little more than a "raise" or a paltry "promotion" for your efforts.

Granted, there are exceptions in companies like Google or Facebook, that because of a company's generosity, they are able to share their success and make many, if not most of their employees millionaires, but the vast majority of the time (including mine and my friend's case) we are given very little in terms of stock options. And in large companies, sometimes you're given no stock options at all, just the pipe dream of one day.....in a distant world, you'll get promoted.....but still have to work your butt off for that next promotion. Maybe you'll get a stock matching 401k or some other junk, but you'll die middle class and having spent your entire life working for someone else's dream.

In the end, no matter how many promotions you receive, or how hard you try, the top leaders of the company will still be flying around in private jets, have million dollar bonuses, and your idea of success will be to dine at Red Lobster or lease a C-Class Mercedes and have the illusion you're living the American Dream.

Why should a person spend their entire life, all their energy, and forfeit all their own personal dreams and ambitions for the sake of someone else's dream?

Why should a person have to work until they're 65 and having spent their youth away for someone else and having nothing to show for it but a cookie cutter house and a leased car?

I'm not rich and I'm not living the true dream yet, I'm like most of you, just working day to day. But I own a business and I hope this will be my ticket out of the corporate rat race. Why do so few get this?

My main question: Why do people give up so much of themselves, just to see someone's dreams of goals come to fruition?

Discuss.

Have you ever actually held a job? Or maybe it's just that managers at your job don't hold you accountable for your work. In NORMAL companies if you aren't pulling your weight, you get fired.

Now there's always option 2, which it sounds like is your philosophy, only work hard enough to not get fired. That's fine if you don't mind working your entry level junior position for the rest of your life and living out a meager existence. Most of us working on building a family realize that to be fiscally responsible, support our family, own a home and build up a viable amount of savings for retirement, that we have to advance in our careers and get promoted. Sure you can probably support a 4 person family working for the Geek Squad, but all you're going to do is scrape by. Your kids are going to have to be extremely smart and get scholarships to go to college or else incur massive student loans and what kind of example will you be setting for them by just getting by?

I don't see a very successful future for you if this is your outlook on working. It's alright though. It's ok though. Our tax dollars for welfare will go to supporting your lazy ass and your less than motivated off spring.

Thanks for being what's wrong with America these days.
 

JMapleton

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When did this happen? For as long as I can remember working as a corporate drone has been frowned upon by all of those except maybe the media. I've never really had the whole sacrificing yourself for the corporation thing pushed on me... strange that you think its commonplace.

What do all your teachers, parents, and role models tell you? They say "stay in school." But college is nothing but job training.

This is how it works. They work you up and tell you college is the way to success. However college is expensive, so they give you loans, put you through college, and you graduate in debt (as most college grads are).

So in order to pay this debt, you are forced to work to pay it off and because of the debt you incurred you don't have the access to credit to finance you own business. They do the same thing in India with slaves, you buy your freedom, but you have to earn it, but the debt it so high, it's often never paid off or impossible to pay off and you die working for your debtor trying to pay off the debt.
 

foghorn67

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What do all your teachers, parents, and role models tell you? They say "stay in school." But college is nothing but job training.

This is how it works. They work you up and tell you college is the way to success. However college is expensive, so they give you loans, put you through college, and you graduate in debt (as most college grads are).

So in order to pay this debt, you are forced to work to pay it off and because of the debt you incurred you don't have the access to credit to finance you own business. They do the same thing in India with slaves, you buy your freedom, but you have to earn it, but the debt it so high, it's often never paid off or impossible to pay off and you die working for your debtor trying to pay off the debt.

What? lol? Did you go to a vocational school?
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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I didn't read most of the thread, but here's a few thoughts...

Being a part of a successful company is a status symbol for some people. Busting ass to be part of a successful machine is reward unto itself.

Some people get satisfaction out of a job well done, and will bust ass regardless of who the work's for.

Some people may think that busting ass at the start will get the company going, and they can then do some coasting once it gets going.

There's a lot of reasons to put effort into work. If you don't think you're being adequately compensated, there's avenues of recourse. I'd never own my own company. I don't have what it takes, and I'm not willing to put that kind of risk/effort into it. I've seen what it takes to own a company, and grow it. That's not something I'm willing to do, so I'll happily work for someone who is willing to do it.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I don't think college is nothing but job training or, if it is, it's exceedingly bad job training. However, I do believe the 'youts' of America have been sold a bill of goods with regards to getting a college education.
 

xanis

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Sep 11, 2005
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What do all your teachers, parents, and role models tell you? They say "stay in school." But college is nothing but job training.

This is how it works. They work you up and tell you college is the way to success. However college is expensive, so they give you loans, put you through college, and you graduate in debt (as most college grads are).

So in order to pay this debt, you are forced to work to pay it off and because of the debt you incurred you don't have the access to credit to finance you own business. They do the same thing in India with slaves, you buy your freedom, but you have to earn it, but the debt it so high, it's often never paid off or impossible to pay off and you die working for your debtor trying to pay off the debt.

I don't really agree with your OP, but I do agree with this. I often think that if I spent 4 years interning and apprenticing instead of going to college, I could have saved myself a boatload of money and set myself up for a better job. Do you know what EVERY SINGLE business has said when they rejected my application? "Sorry, we were looking for someone with more experience." It seems to me that all college did was get me an expensive piece of paper that no one gives a shit about.
 

Born2bwire

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Oh, you guys. The crazy threads you come up with to try and troll us. Good effort! A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 

ponyo

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Feb 14, 2002
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Why is it young ones think they can't be replaced? If you're worth the money, the company will pay you the money. If not, go find some other company that will pay you what you think you're worth. It's obvious OP is full of shit about his importance and ability or vastly overestimating his importance like most of the young people. :thumbsdown:
 

IceBergSLiM

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/42822615

relevant!

"This generation's parents said we could do anything we want, just be 'happy,'" says Brennan. "Thus, happiness is now our only benchmark, and it is often the hardest. The previous generation of workers may have also wanted to quit and pursue their passions, but there was an overwhelming expectation to stay put, so there was less anxiety about settling with the dead-end job. 'Happiness' was simply not their primary value, allowing them to settle and put off their passion-hunting until their responsibilities diminished, a.k.a. mid-life crisis."
 

TecHNooB

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Then tell whoever it is to get a better job.

I work for a private construction firm, get paid very well with great benefits, and I get to see my contribution to the company and world every single day. So far, no complaints.

delusions, mr anderson.
 

JMapleton

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Nov 19, 2008
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Why is it young ones think they can't be replaced? If you're worth the money, the company will pay you the money. If not, go find some other company that will pay you what you think you're worth. It's obvious OP is full of shit about his importance and ability or vastly overestimating his importance like most of the young people. :thumbsdown:

Corporate America is not 100% efficient anymore than the stock market is. Many people are underpaid just as much as many people are overpaid, probably moreso.