Rant: The Scam of Corporate America

[IceBergSLiM]

you forget I also get paid. compensation = (money + benefits)/time


also, tell me what companies (corporate or otherwise) give more than 3 weeks of vacation per year. the self employed people I know sure as fuck don't get 3 weeks of vacation per year.

I think you are missing the point again, OP was stating we've been brainwashed to believing three weeks and meager paycheck is great deal. Just because everyone is accustomed to a shitty 3 weeks vaca doesn't mean its a good deal.

 

[Drekce]

not necessarily true.

But in most cases.

 

[Ns1]

I think you are missing the point again, OP was stating we've been brainwashed to believing three weeks and meager paycheck is great deal. Just because everyone is accustomed to a shitty 3 weeks vaca doesn't mean its a good deal.

and I'm saying having been in a non-corporate overlord world, it's a great fucking deal.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

But in most cases.

Thats a personal decision, if you created a business that can't be without you, thats a poor managerial decision. However, I would say more people that DECIDE to work non stop do so because it does NOT please them to have idle time vacationing etc...

 

[IceBergSLiM]

and I'm saying having been in a non-corporate overlord world, it's a great fucking deal.

would you rather a eat a spoon full of dirt or dog shit? They both suck though one is a better experience.

 

[Ns1]

Thats a personal decision, if you created a business that can't be without you, thats a poor managerial decision.

wouldn't want someone like the OP as second in command, that's for sure.

 

[Genx87]

Not quite understanding your rant. Do you want all the benefits of being upper management\owner without doing the legwork? Unlike how parents coddle their children into making them believe they are the best, brightest, and deserve everything. The real world is a 180 from that enviornment. Nobody gives you shit. You have to go earn it.

 

[Ns1]

would you rather a eat a spoon full of dirt or dog shit? They both suck though one is a better experience.

well corporate america offers me the best lifestyle I can find, so I'll take wooooooo corporate america

 

[Squisher]

I enjoyed working hard. I enjoyed being challenged. I enjoyed keeping all the plates spinning. I told all my coworkers that it was my goal every day to shove as many $20 bills in the owner's pocket so that maybe a few would fall out and I could pick them up. People looked up to me and called me a guru.

Then they moved it all to Mexico. Now, that is a corporate scam.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

well corporate america offers me the best lifestyle I can find, so I'll take wooooooo corporate america

Exactly the ops point. We have been brainwashed to believe what you said here is the truth.

 

[Genx87]

the funny thing is that the people that own that company probably work half as hard as an employee like you. im always amazed when people think its unfair for super rich to pay more taxes, they say things like "the top 1% already pays 95% of the taxes." yeah, but they also take 95% of income and do .0001% of the work

Where do you work that you believe such horseshit? The owner of my company works basically 24/7. When I worked for a fortune 250 company the executives were always working. Go to a conference over the weekend, take the red eye home, be at work at 7:30 AM on Monday looking tired. The idea the upper management and owners of companies work less than their subordinates is really naive.

 

[Ns1]

Exactly the ops point. We have been brainwashed to believe what you said here is the truth.

sorry, that's actually based on personal experience

are you against all forms of work? what is your ideal "work"?

 

[TecHNooB]

Because starting your own company means risking damn near everything.

Aren't there ways to come out even most of the time? Seems like some people go through several failed businesses.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

sorry, that's actually based on personal experience

are you against all forms of work? what is your ideal "work"?

your personal experience admittedly is only working for others at a 9-5 though....

 

[Ns1]

your personal experience admittedly is only working for others at a 9-5 though....

actually I've tried self employed + starting/owning my own business + other forms of self hustlin'

 

[IceBergSLiM]

actually I've tried self employed + owning my own business + other forms of self hustlin'

conveniently left that out until now....

 

[Ns1]

conveniently left that out until now....

you assumed.

 

[Drekce]

Exactly the ops point. We have been brainwashed to believe what you said here is the truth.

Its comical that you assume that everyone else has been "brainwashed" because we are happy with our corporate jobs. I'm fully able to step back and analyze a complex situation to determine what is best for me. Why do you assume that the same intelligent, hardworking people who have become the "corporate slaves" you describe suddenly lose all credibility because they didn't come to the same conclusion as you? I've made my decision after looking at the big picture and am happy with it.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

you assumed. i merely said "non-corporate".

well then share your non-corporate experience and why it was worse or better than your current scenario. Sharing is caring.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Its comical that you assume that everyone else has been "brainwashed" because we are happy with our corporate jobs. I'm fully able to step back and analyze a complex situation to determine what is best for me. Why do you assume that the same intelligent, hardworking people who have become the "corporate slaves" you describe suddenly lose all credibility because they didn't come to the same conclusion as you? I've made my decision after looking at the big picture and am happy with it.

you are admittedly in to deep with responsibilities house, cars, kids, wife to take any serious risk without having strong assurance you would succeed at replacing your paycheck.

Or you don't have a viable alternative.

Or you just don't know what you don't know.

 

[Beev]

I will never work to my fullest for a company I have no personal investment in. They will always get ~50%.

"Now, if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime. So, where's the motivation?"

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I will never work to my fullest for a company I have no personal investment in. They will always get ~50%.

"Now, if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime. So, where's the motivation?"

+1

 

[Ns1]

well then share your non-corporate experience and why it was worse or better than your current scenario. Sharing is caring.

not having to worry about sales, not having to worry about finding a business idea, not fronting any money, not losing any money, aka NO RISK AT ALL in corporate overlord lifestyle

vacation = check still in the mail

i live my 9-5, and then when I come home I brainstorm for my side businesses. in my corporate overlord world, someone else gets paid to brainstorm.


corporate life = average rewards, average to low risk, NO capital outlay
owning your own business = crapshoot for rewards (you might be successful you might bust), high risk, lots of administrative BS to deal with, lots of capital outlay
self employed = crapshoot for rewards (you might be successful you might bust), little/no benefits, little risk, no guaranteed pay, low capital outlay

 

[Drekce]

you are admittedly in to deep with responsibilities house, cars, kids, wife to take any serious risk without having strong assurance you would succeed at replacing your paycheck.

Or you don't have a viable alternative.

Or you just don't know what you don't know.

Please educate me. That is, if I'm able to soak up the massive amounts of knowledge you have to share.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Exactly the ops point. We have been brainwashed to believe what you said here is the truth.

because it's inevitable.
300 million small businesses in america is not efficient, nor sustainable.