RANT - Spiderman the movie (possible spoilers)

[isildur]

this is like a lame reacurring mad-lib

"I HATED __________ MOVIE BECAUSE IT WASN'T TRUE TO THE (BOOK/SHOW/PREQUEL/MY INTERPRETATION)!"

"________ _________ SUCKED AS ________!"

"THE DIRECTOR, ________ _______ SHOULD BE (HUNG/SHOT/DRAWN & QUARTERED/IMPALED ON RUSTY CAR PARTS THROUGH HIS/HER GENITALIA)!"

oh and:


<< 5) oh yeah, no spider sense in the movie >>



is so errant that, along with your nonsensical rant about body doubles, makes me wonder if you've even seen the film.

the token asian scientist woman used the exact words.
<shakes head>

the more you post, the more silly you look.

and, one more time for the record - since this was a COMIC BOOK originally, it is the COMIC BOOK material that has ultimately the most significance here, NOT the cheesy cartoon tv spinoff.

pretty soon we'll have people on here who saw the movie first and then watched the cartoon complaining about how "unfaithful" the cartoon is to the movie.

d'oh.

 

[TheOmegaCode]

<< 1) i am comparing it to the CARTOON, which i grew up watching, not the comic >>


First mistake...


<< 2) i already corrected myself about the goblin. the costume is still inaccurate. i seem to remember a cape and a pouch in which he used to carry the bombs. >>


This I will agree with you on... I've said it before, and I'll say it again, just paint Willem's face green!!!


<< 3) i can't remember any episode where his mask was ripped off like that >>


Well, you don't in the cartoon, but think about it... If you get blasted with a god damn grenade, part of your suit is liable to get ripped off...


<< 4) he was always TRYING to get mary jane, but he never blew her off >>


If you want to get technical, there was no Mary Jane at this point, just Gwen Stacey..


<< 5) oh yeah, no spider sense in the movie >>


bull, you obviously didn't pay attention..


<< 6) TOBEY MAGUIRE SUCKED AS SPIDERMAN >>


Peter Parker was a nerd, get used to the fact that he was, in fact boring. I, for one, thought Tobey did a good job of capturing the dichotomy of Spider-Man.


<< stan lee's not stupid. of course he approved the changes. he "hollywoodized it." there's no way that you can fit in all of spiderman in one movie. >>


That's why they are making more than one... Duh...


<< pare spiderman to batman. the difference in quality is obvious. >>


Yeah, Batman 2,3, and 4 all sucked nuts... The first one was the only good one...

 

[zimmie6576]

<< 2) i already corrected myself about the goblin. the costume is still inaccurate. i seem to remember a cape and a pouch in which he used to carry the bombs. >>


No, that was the Hobgoblin. The Green Goblin didn't have a cape.



<< 5) oh yeah, no spider sense in the movie >>


Yes there was. They didn't put squiggly lines around his head, but it was there. The first instance was when he knew Flash was going to puch him in the back of the head, and he moved out of the way, without looking behind him. There you go, spider sense.



<< compare spiderman to batman. the difference in quality is obvious. >>


First Batman movie or latest two?

 

[Jzero]

<< 1) i am comparing it to the CARTOON, which i grew up watching, not the comic >>


OK.
Well that goes against your statement that the makers of the film had watched neither the cartoon NOR read the comic.


<< 2) i already corrected myself about the goblin. the costume is still inaccurate. i seem to remember a cape and a pouch in which he used to carry the bombs. >>


You corrected yourself, but you're still thinking about Hobgoblin, not Green Goblin. Two distinct characters.
The Green Goblin is pretty much Spidey's original nemesis in the comic. Hobgoblin came later on. He had a pumpkin head and a cape and threw little pumpkin bombs. They are similar. I forget how they relate.


<< 3) i can't remember any episode where his mask was ripped off like that >>


The film was based on the comic, not the cartoon.


<< 4) he was always TRYING to get mary jane, but he never blew her off >>


Lame, yes, but they needed more sequel-fodder.
There also was surely a Spidey-Sense, but as I said before, it conveniently didn't work at times.

Just make sure you compare apples-to-apples....comparing the movie to the cartoon isn't.

 

[Swag1138]

<< arrrggghhhhhhh!!!!! whoever directed and produced this movie should be SHOT. whoever did the casting and whoever wrote the script whould have the balls cut off.

frigging eh. tobey maguire as spiderman? he is sooooo fvcking boring. anyone that grew up watching spiderman the cartoon will know exactly what i'm talking about. it sounds like he can't even remember the lines. he was probably smoking out between scenes in his trailer. i wonder how many people he had to blow to get the part. ugh. james franco as harry? c'mon... harry was a dork in the cartoon. he's suave in the movie. the hobgoblin? different costume and a different end to him. peter and mary jane? since when did things end THAT way between them? and since when does spiderman shoot the webs out of his wrists?!?!?!

and when did spiderman's mask ever rip in the cartoon? the scene between him and the goblin at the end. that was just RETARDED.

i feel sooooo cheated. whoever was in on the making of this movie probably never watched the cartoon and never read the comic. they should be shot. repeatedly.

oh yeah, and for the girls... that's not really tobey half-naked. it's a stunt double with tobey's head overlayed on it. >>



While the cartoon didnt suck, compared to the movie...well, lets just say the cartoon was a black whole of suck.
Ive grown up reading the spider man comic-books. Going by comics, this move was da*n near perfect. You are free to not like the movie, but the reasons you gave were bullshi*.

 

[ZeroBurn]

haha, i was going to reply to the 7 points you just mentioned and realized there've already been 10 replies to it, so i won't bother.

 

[dethman]

he he funny to see how you all blast this guy. decidedly deserved though for someone who hasnt read the spidey comics.

 

[StinkyMeat]

Stop complaining. Since your complaints have no firm basis.

Sounds like you watched the cartoon of the 90's, which in itself was a horrible adaptation of the comics.

Hobgoblin was created using the Green Goblins gear. Two different characters. Green Goblin sported a purple hat, a satchel, a glider, gloves, and the purple tunic. He was green. The movie definitely could've done better on this, but your arguement is all wrong. (Hobgoblin did not have a pumpkin head. That was Jack o lantern)

The casting of Franco as Harry is justified. Read the Ultimate SpiderMan series. Fits perfectly.

His mask gets ripped a lot in the comics. Which is what the movies was based on. There are too many to give eamples of.

 

[TuffGuy]

i'll shut up now since you guys know more about the comics than i do. like i said, i grew up watching spiderman, not reading the comics.

can someone explain how the hobgoblin and the green goblin relate?

also, since peter parker WAS a nerd, it would make sense if he designed the web shooters. tobey does play the "timid and shy" part well, but (to me) peter parker seemed to be a bit more spunky and humorous.

 

[Jzero]

<< Hobgoblin was created using the Green Goblins gear. Two different characters. Green Goblin sported a purple hat, a satchel, a glider, gloves, and the purple tunic. He was green. The movie definitely could've done better on this, but your arguement is all wrong. (Hobgoblin did not have a pumpkin head. That was Jack o lantern) >>


DAMMIT!
There are too many similar villains....


<< also, since peter parker WAS a nerd, it would make sense if he designed the web shooters. >>


I think they could have spent 15 minutes working this out. They did play-up well enough the fact that he was a brilliant scientist...how he had read all of Osborn's work and actually understood it, etc.

 

[TheOmegaCode]

<< i'll shut up now since you guys know more about the comics than i do. like i said, i grew up watching spiderman, not reading the comics.

can someone explain how the hobgoblin and the green goblin relate?

also, since peter parker WAS a nerd, it would make sense if he designed the web shooters. tobey does play the "timid and shy" part well, but (to me) peter parker seemed to be a bit more spunky and humorous. >>


Here's a nice place to read up about Hobgoblin vs GreenGoblin. As for Peter Parker, he never was spunky or humorous, that was Spider-Man. Which you could see, he got a bit more cocky as he put his suit on... I'm sure they will master the one liner by the next flick...

 

[lllJRlll]

<< i'll shut up now since you guys know more about the comics than i do. like i said, i grew up watching spiderman, not reading the comics.

can someone explain how the hobgoblin and the green goblin relate?

also, since peter parker WAS a nerd, it would make sense if he designed the web shooters. tobey does play the "timid and shy" part well, but (to me) peter parker seemed to be a bit more spunky and humorous. >>







Haha man this is classic.You start off the thread rambling like a madman babbling on about what was wrong with Spiderman.

Come to find out you didn't even read the comic and you're whole argument is based on the Spiderman cartoon.

 

[StinkyMeat]

ONCE AND FOR ALL

GREEN GOBLIN (org. 1960's)= Norman Osborn --> Harry Osborn, his son -->Barton Hamilton, Harry's therepist --> Phil Ulrich, nephew of Daily Bugle reporter Ben Ulrich --> Normie Osborn, Harry's son (alt. universe)

HOBGOBLIN (org 1980's)= George Hill, found Green Goblin lair, stole stuff, contacted associate, was killed, associate stole stuff.
Believed to be Ned Leeds, then Jason Macendale (Jack O'Lantern), then Flash Thompson (who was framed), then it was discovered that Roderick Kingsley was the original associate of George Hill.

THERE. Now stop.

 

[TheOmegaCode]

<< ONCE AND FOR ALL

GREEN GOBLIN (org. 1960's)= Norman Osborn --> Harry Osborn, his son -->Barton Hamilton, Harry's therepist --> Phil Ulrich, nephew of Daily Bugle reporter Ben Ulrich --> Normie Osborn, Harry's son (alt. universe)

HOBGOBLIN (org 1980's)= George Hill, found Green Goblin lair, stole stuff, contacted associate, was killed, associate stole stuff.
Believed to be Ned Leeds, then Jason Macendale (Jack O'Lantern), then Flash Thompson (who was framed), then it was discovered that Roderick Kingsley was the original associate of George Hill.

THERE. Now stop. >>

Oh, yeah, well my link has comic book numbers and pictures

Let's hope you didn't get all that from off the top of your head...

 

[loup garou]

This is fun. I can't wait until AOTC comes out for all the threads like this!

 

[TuffGuy]

<< Haha man this is classic.You start off the thread rambling like a madman babbling on about what was wrong with Spiderman.

Come to find out you didn't even read the comic and you're whole argument is based on the Spiderman cartoon. >>


of course. that's what i grew up watching. which was ALSO done by stan lee and ditko. and since BOTH of them worked on the cartoon AND the movie, wouldn't you expect it to be accurate?

 

[vash]

Spiderman was a good adaptation of the comic books. Marvel released the classic, first 10 comic books for Spiderman, Fantastic Four and Xmen many years ago and I read them all. Spiderman, is essentially a young man, picked and prodded on, but never continually beaten. He's not marveled or hated in school or life, so I don't expect him to be suave, have the most creative lines, etc. Spiderman, in essence, was a geek before he became Spiderman and is still a geek afterwards.

Tobey played a good Spiderman. They "could" have casted someone a bit taller, etc, but with the heavy possibilities of sequels, they better get someone young enough to "grow" into the part. Besides, all the cool stuff happens in the costume, right?

On the note of the cartoon series: the cartoon is still not the original. Lets not draw comparisons between a cartoon series and comic book. After all, Stan Lee was on the set while making this film, I don't think he would want some of the 70s/80s/90s cartoon lingering in this live action movie. This is yet another story to be told under the Spiderman name.

So far, they have done a pretty good job. With all this setup of #1 done, I am definitely waiting for a #2! Who will it be? Will it be the Hobgoblin, Kingpin, Scorpion, etc? I think a good villian would be Venom or Kraven, but there are so many enemies and only so many movies that could be made.

vash

 

[TuffGuy]

<< ONCE AND FOR ALL

GREEN GOBLIN (org. 1960's)= Norman Osborn --> Harry Osborn, his son -->Barton Hamilton, Harry's therepist --> Phil Ulrich, nephew of Daily Bugle reporter Ben Ulrich --> Normie Osborn, Harry's son (alt. universe)

HOBGOBLIN (org 1980's)= George Hill, found Green Goblin lair, stole stuff, contacted associate, was killed, associate stole stuff.
Believed to be Ned Leeds, then Jason Macendale (Jack O'Lantern), then Flash Thompson (who was framed), then it was discovered that Roderick Kingsley was the original associate of George Hill.

THERE. Now stop. >>


yes yes yes. i know who the green goblin is. i just couldn't remember who the hobgoblin was or how he came into the picture.

 

[TuffGuy]

<< ONCE AND FOR ALL

GREEN GOBLIN (org. 1960's)= Norman Osborn --> Harry Osborn, his son -->Barton Hamilton, Harry's therepist --> Phil Ulrich, nephew of Daily Bugle reporter Ben Ulrich --> Normie Osborn, Harry's son (alt. universe)

HOBGOBLIN (org 1980's)= George Hill, found Green Goblin lair, stole stuff, contacted associate, was killed, associate stole stuff.
Believed to be Ned Leeds, then Jason Macendale (Jack O'Lantern), then Flash Thompson (who was framed), then it was discovered that Roderick Kingsley was the original associate of George Hill.

THERE. Now stop. >>


yes yes yes. i know who the green goblin is. i just couldn't remember who the hobgoblin was or how he came into the picture.

 

[StinkyMeat]

<< So far, they have done a pretty good job. With all this setup of #1 done, I am definitely waiting for a #2! Who will it be? Will it be the Hobgoblin, Kingpin, Scorpion, etc? I think a good villian would be Venom or Kraven, but there are so many enemies and only so many movies that could be made.

vash >>



Doc Ock is most people's candidate. There may in fact be 2 villians next time.

 

[lllJRlll]

<<

<< Haha man this is classic.You start off the thread rambling like a madman babbling on about what was wrong with Spiderman.

Come to find out you didn't even read the comic and you're whole argument is based on the Spiderman cartoon. >>


of course. that's what i grew up watching. which was ALSO done by stan lee and ditko. and since BOTH of them worked on the cartoon AND the movie, wouldn't you expect it to be accurate? >>







What does the cartoon have to do with anything? Aside from from Spiderman's webs actually being an ability rather than something Peter had to make ,and not having Gwen Stacey in the movie, I thought the movie was pretty dead on

 

[TuffGuy]

<< What does the cartoon have to do with anything? Aside from from Spiderman's webs actually being an ability rather than something Peter had to make ,and not having Gwen Stacey in the movie, I thought the movie was pretty dead on >>


because you guys are saying how INACCURATE the cartoon was and that i can't compare the cartoon to the movie. but since stan lee and ditko worked on BOTH the cartoon AND the movie, they should be comparable.

 

[TheOmegaCode]

<< So far, they have done a pretty good job. With all this setup of #1 done, I am definitely waiting for a #2! Who will it be? Will it be the Hobgoblin, Kingpin, Scorpion, etc? I think a good villian would be Venom or Kraven, but there are so many enemies and only so many movies that could be made.

vash

Doc Ock is most people's candidate. There may in fact be 2 villians next time. >>


Cletus Cassidy, now theres a REAL villian... Anyone ever read Mind Bomb?

 

[Platypus]

You want to rant?

You might want to get some things right first..

1) It's Spider-Man, not Spiderman
2) The HobGoblin isn't in the movie, it's the Green Goblin.
3) Since when is the fvcking cartoon a reference? It's all about the comic books, not the silly Fox cartoon. All your problems seem to stem from something that was a shady adaptation anyway.
4) Stan Lee was a huge part of the film... you think he'd let stuff happen he didn't want to? He created the damn thing.
5) Most of the lines that were "corny" were actually comic book phrases, but I guess being acurate deserves having their "balls cut off"
6) Maguire was perfect.

As for it being a sappy love story, do you even read comics? The whole damn thing was based on love with a girl. It even STATED that in the first damn line of the film, do some research on Stan Lee and why he created his characters. Everyone who was talking about how sappy the love part was obviously have no clue what they are talking about.


*sigh*

 

[lllJRlll]

The cartoon was made to entertain kids and not get all tied down with every single detail and storyline. Did you really want to go watch a Spiderman movie that played out like a 2 hour version of that cartoon?