RANT RANT RANT RANT: ATI is officialy labeled: CRAP

[StageLeft]

ATI is like AMD: good bang for buck but it's not as quick/easy to setup as nvidia (or in the other case Intel). Nobody should try and claim that ATI has as mature a driver set as nVidia. For many/most people this isn't a problem, but for others like you it is. AMD I think is the same way. Most people will get great bang for buck with their AMD setups but for a few people it sucks. Whether it's user error or a weird software installation or hardware setup or whatever.

 

[PlatinumGold]

skoorb

ur probably correct overall regarding ati's driver.

but as far as the reinstalling thing goes. when i was going back from my ati to my geforce i had the same problems w/ removing the ati drivers that i did w/ the removing the geforce drivers. i just don't think they like each other very much.

 

[StageLeft]

<< Link

goober check out that link. it's the Geforce4 Ti 4200. their saying it'll be available for about $150.00. mb it would be best to return ati to newegg and buy the ti 4200 when it's available in a couple of weeks. >>

$150 - is this true?! It was supposed to cost $199. I bought a gf3 ti 200 like 3 weeks ago. I'm selling the bastard if this is true!

 

[PlatinumGold]

skoorb

check out this link. Holy Crap! 250MHz GeForce4 Ti4200 for $179!

reportedly the 179 is supposed to be retail price. they are estimating 159 as street price. but u'd probably sell urs and buy this one even if it was 179

 

[Smacksmackums]

there's a thing called detonator destroyer that supposedly cleans everything nvidia out of your system. some people use it before changing their nvidia drivers. i'm skeptical as to how well it really works, but it can't hurt to try. Link to detonator destroyer page on guru3d

I just realized though that it doesn't have support for xp, so if you're running xp then you should search for something else I guess.

 

[GooberPHX420]

<< I just ended Serious Sam II with my Radeon 8500 and it was great. The eye candy was unbelievable. I am now going to play it all over again on my Win98 box with a Duron 1.1 gig CPU and GF4. I will then post my personal observations about how good the cards are in the appropriate forum. Loser can't set up a video card and he blames everyone but himself. Pathetic.:disgust: >>



Wow, sounds like someone's boyfriend forgot to use lube last night...

You dont have to act all hard. No one cares how good you may be with your video cards or whatever. And what right do you have to say "loser cant set up a video card and blames everyone but himself"? Ive installed many video cards, overclocked them, tweaked them, whatever. I just havent had any experience with ATI and didnt realize it would be such a bitch to get it up and running. Yeah Im really glad that you're not a "loser that cant set up a video card." Yeah, I do blame ATI for being insufficient. Why is their stuff a pain in the ass? Why is nVidia's stuff so much easier to deal with? Can you give me a big boy answer to that? Thanks, lil guy.

*hands him an air pump* Now go reinflate your ego, asshat.

 

[GooberPHX420]

thanx for the link, smacksmackums.

 

[PlatinumGold]

actually goober i answered that very question few posts up.

but as far as the reinstalling thing goes. when i was going back from my ati to my geforce i had the same problems w/ removing the ati drivers that i did w/ the removing the geforce drivers. i just don't think they like each other very much.

 

[GooberPHX420]

thanx, platinum. Im probably gonna format tomorrow and see if that does me any good.

K tripleshot, your turn for a really cool insult for the above line

 

[Lithium381]

I own an ATI card, and it's great, although it's so old(1999) that it doesn't have a GPU....it's a Rage 128.....32mb, runs all of my games fine....and has VIVO, which is the reason i got this one instead of another.....

 

[Rent]

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<< I just ended Serious Sam II with my Radeon 8500 and it was great. The eye candy was unbelievable. I am now going to play it all over again on my Win98 box with a Duron 1.1 gig CPU and GF4. I will then post my personal observations about how good the cards are in the appropriate forum. Loser can't set up a video card and he blames everyone but himself. Pathetic.:disgust: >>



Wow, sounds like someone's boyfriend forgot to use lube last night...

You dont have to act all hard. No one cares how good you may be with your video cards or whatever. And what right do you have to say "loser cant set up a video card and blames everyone but himself"? Ive installed many video cards, overclocked them, tweaked them, whatever. I just havent had any experience with ATI and didnt realize it would be such a bitch to get it up and running. Yeah Im really glad that you're not a "loser that cant set up a video card." Yeah, I do blame ATI for being insufficient. Why is their stuff a pain in the ass? Why is nVidia's stuff so much easier to deal with? Can you give me a big boy answer to that? Thanks, lil guy.

*hands him an air pump* Now go reinflate your ego, asshat. >>



Alright jackass. Its nvidiots like yourself that screw up the market and put good manufacturers out of business.

I've dealt with ATI, nVidia, Matrox, 3dfx, and Savage for years. ATi cards are one of the EASIEST to set up and get running. I've had very little trouble with my Radeon 32mb DDR, my friends Radeon 8500 DDR, and several LE's that I've seen in numerous systems.

The fact that you are bashing ATi without any previous experience negates any complaints you have. User incompetence is right, you should actually try to make the card work right before overclocking it and "tweaking" it.

When you learn to install a different manufacturers card the right way, you can have a cookie asshat

 

[Red Dawn]

<< When you learn to install a different manufacturers card the right way, you can have a cookie asshat >>

This rant has been brought to you by a Member whose handle is Radeon. Radeon by ATI the "Other Video Card Company"

 

[Rent]

<<

<< When you learn to install a different manufacturers card the right way, you can have a cookie asshat >>

This rant has been brought to you by a Member whose handle is Radeon. Radeon by ATI the "Other Video Card Company" >>



Thank you Red. You are truly a mastAR!!1! of the obvious

 

[giguana]

skoorb. according to that link the ti4200 only outperforms the ti4600 in DroneZ. And who the hell cares about Dronez????

anyways, i just picked up my radeon 8500 from newegg also and it's raping avp2, mohaa, and rtcw. i don't know what your problem is.

 

[Cattlegod]

ATI drivers blow ass period.

i have an ATI TV Tuner, it does not work in windows xp for crap. they "said" they released win xp drivers for it, however it just so happens to link to the same file i downloaded 7 months ago which are the win 2000 beta drivers, same file size and everything.

it wouldn't be all bad, but they don't document their hardware for crap either. add that on 1/2 a$$sed drivers and you have one big headache.

 

[GhettoFob]

I've had the Radeon 32DDR and recently upgraded to the 8500. Both cards have worked beautifully for me.

 

[LongCoolMother]

everyone go *ooooooo000000OOOOooo* DISS man! go radeon!

 

[Boogak]

*ooooooo000000OOOOooo* DISS man!

 

[Evadman]

Tribes 2 just does not like video cards besides nVidia. Just a T2 thing. I have used a voodoo 5 6000 with no problems besides jaggid water.

PM me with your tribes name, so I can seak ya out. I am -(GB)- BigGayAl. ( Ghost Bears, Death Bear Squad )

 

[GooberPHX420]

<< I've dealt with ATI, nVidia, Matrox, 3dfx, and Savage for years. ATi cards are one of the EASIEST to set up and get running. I've had very little trouble with my Radeon 32mb DDR, my friends Radeon 8500 DDR, and several LE's that I've seen in numerous systems.
The fact that you are bashing ATi without any previous experience negates any complaints you have. User incompetence is right, you should actually try to make the card work right before overclocking it and "tweaking" it.
When you learn to install a different manufacturers card the right way, you can have a cookie asshat >>



Once again another helpful and informative post. Granted you're probably an ATI god, I appreciate your concern with my thread. It's very genuine and indepth. Thanks for your time.

 

[Geekbabe]

I use ATI as my stock card(s) for all new system builds and have been most pleased with the stability and overall performance of the Radeon series, excellent 2D and DVD and decent gaming to please anybody but the most obsessive FPS junkie.

 

[GooberPHX420]

I was pullin down like 24fps in tribes2, and that was making me insane. I felt like I was playin on my good old compaq beast from 1998..

 

[Chrono]

simple fact. ATI drivers are not up to par with Nvidia's drivers.
Are you using the current .52 drivers that were released late march?
These are THE best drivers out right now for any ATI card. I'm using it and I'm playing quake 3/jedi knight/wolf at 90+ fps @ 1024x768 with 128x anistropic filtering blah blah on. Smooth as silk.
www.rage3d.com

ATI rocks. R200 rocks. Can't wait for R300! Nvidiots and FanATIcs

Don't like? Sell and buy another card. Simple as that.

 

[Rent]

Goober, I'm more than willing to help you get this card working properly, but the fact is you're bashing something without any basis. Until you can get over the fact that the card is probably tripping up on some old Detonators somewhere in your system or that you might have made a simple mistake while installing it, I'm not going to be kind.

Rage3d - The BEST Radeon site on the net - there are several home programmers on their message boards who make tweaks and drivers for the card. Just like nVidia, you have to play with different driver sets before you get the best performance.

Start there, and see if you can't get it up and running properly. I'd suggest you remove any tweaks you did and return the card back to its original clock speed. Install it as a VGA adapter, clean out all the ati*.* files, as well as any nv*.* and start from a somewhat clean slate. If you're going to format, all the better. Even my 32mb DDR gets 30-60fps in Tribes 2.

These cards do overclock well when they run right. I have mine overclocked and it performs good for a original Radeon (I've gotten ~3200 3DMark 2001 on my little bitch 950mhz Tbird.)

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey Radeon, what's a mastAR!!1 Was that just a typo or am I missing out on a good insult here?