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rant on the Lott comments

astroview

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What really amuses me is that Strom Thurmond was pretty racist, and is just now retiring from the Senate. And you don't hear a word of criticism of Strom Thurmand or the people who continuously reelected him in SC, but 3 sentences of praise get Lott in trouble.

I'm left wing, but I think this is nuts. Hey maybe instead of just criticizing Lott, critique that SOB Thurmond.

Oh thats right, he used to be a dem, so its safer to critique Lott! Makes me angry at both parties, and I'm a Democrat myself.

 

Miramonti

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Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...
 

Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: jjsole
Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...

Lott was winging it and said something that was taken WAY out of context...

This is just the liberal nut jobs trying to create a mess...

Grasshopper
 

Tripleshot

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Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: jjsole
Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...

Lott was winging it and said something that was taken WAY out of context...

This is just the liberal nut jobs trying to create a mess...

Grasshopper




"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Trent Lott

What the hell "way out of context" are you talking about?

Screw your calling it "liberal nut jobs". Thats' just the same retorhic dribble you right wing wacko's use when you can't defend your own people getting caught with their feet in their mouths!:disgust:
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: astroview
I realize he did reform, its just, gah Thurmond bothers me a lot more than Lott.

God forbid we should have every comment we make at a PARTY with DRINKS recorded and then pieced together for someone's benefit...
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Q: How can you tell when a politicians lying?
A: His lips are moving.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: jjsole
Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...

Lott was winging it and said something that was taken WAY out of context...

This is just the liberal nut jobs trying to create a mess...

Grasshopper




"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Trent Lott

What the hell "way out of context" are you talking about?

Screw your calling it "liberal nut jobs". Thats' just the same retorhic dribble you right wing wacko's use when you can't defend your own people getting caught with their feet in their mouths!:disgust:

...and if there is anyone who is an expert on rhetoric dribble it is left wing blowhards who forget to take their medicine, right Triple.
 

Tripleshot

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: jjsole
Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...

Lott was winging it and said something that was taken WAY out of context...

This is just the liberal nut jobs trying to create a mess...

Grasshopper




"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Trent Lott

What the hell "way out of context" are you talking about?

Screw your calling it "liberal nut jobs". Thats' just the same retorhic dribble you right wing wacko's use when you can't defend your own people getting caught with their feet in their mouths!:disgust:

...and if there is anyone who is an expert on rhetoric dribble it is left wing blowhards who forget to take their medicine, right Triple.


There you go A-hole. you just proved my point. You can't defend that SOB to save your soul. So you take a pot shot at me. You haven't got the guts to say that to my face punk.
:)
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: astroview
What really amuses me is that Strom Thurmond was pretty racist, and is just now retiring from the Senate. And you don't hear a word of criticism of Strom Thurmand or the people who continuously reelected him in SC, but 3 sentences of praise get Lott in trouble.

I'm left wing, but I think this is nuts. Hey maybe instead of just criticizing Lott, critique that SOB Thurmond.

Oh thats right, he used to be a dem, so its safer to critique Lott! Makes me angry at both parties, and I'm a Democrat myself.

It has nothing to do with being Democrat. It's because if you criticize Strom, conservatives respond with "That was in the past" or "He's just a feeble old man".
 

woodie1

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Since Lott doesn't represent me or my State I could care less what he says at some birthday party. If the people of his State don't like it I'll let them handle it.

I will admit that I do not care too much for him though, but that was before this incident.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: jjsole
Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...

Lott was winging it and said something that was taken WAY out of context...

This is just the liberal nut jobs trying to create a mess...

Grasshopper




"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Trent Lott

What the hell "way out of context" are you talking about?

Screw your calling it "liberal nut jobs". Thats' just the same retorhic dribble you right wing wacko's use when you can't defend your own people getting caught with their feet in their mouths!:disgust:

...and if there is anyone who is an expert on rhetoric dribble it is left wing blowhards who forget to take their medicine, right Triple.


There you go A-hole. you just proved my point. You can't defend that SOB to save your soul. So you take a pot shot at me. You haven't got the guts to say that to my face punk.
:)

We don't want to fight Triple, one of us might break a nail.
;)

 

classy

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: jjsole
Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...

Lott was winging it and said something that was taken WAY out of context...

This is just the liberal nut jobs trying to create a mess...

Grasshopper




"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Trent Lott

What the hell "way out of context" are you talking about?

Screw your calling it "liberal nut jobs". Thats' just the same retorhic dribble you right wing wacko's use when you can't defend your own people getting caught with their feet in their mouths!:disgust:


LOL. Bullseye. I have been talking about Lott and some of the other republicans now for 2 years here. I been called all kinds of names, sterotyped, and pidgeon holed. But I feel vindicated now. Cause now its all in the media about all the racists views many of these folks have had for years. So now everyone can see them for what they really are. The biggest problem here is a man who is suppose to be the Senate majority leader and he voices a vote of suppport for a man who ran for president on a racist platform. And openly too. Here's the leading voice in the US Congress speaking highly of a racist. And just because you dont run around hollering racial slurs, like he used to do, doesn't mean you've changed. These men have done nothing in over 40 years of politics that even remotely suggest they want equality for all people. Even our president has said their no defense for what he said and yet these folks here would have you believe what he said was nothing. I hope they realize that by 2010 almost 40% of this nation will be minorty.
 

Zebo

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Astroview- You're not getting the whole story. Read this then you'll see why Lott's in a firestorm of controversy right now. Plus it's selling:)

Lott?s Racism: A Long History

Kristol?s comment is telling. In fact, Lott?s public record on race going back more than 25 years indicates that the incoming majority leader has consistently preferred the legacy of Lincoln adversaries such as Jefferson Davis to that of Lincoln.

Lott's long history of support for racist and neo-Confederate causes is generally missing from coverage of the Thurmond controversy. On December 11, the New York Times and Washington Post did report that in 1980, then-congressmember Lott told a crowd at a Reagan rally, ?You know, if we had elected [Strom Thurmond] 30 years ago, we wouldn?t be in the mess we are today.? But with few other exceptions, coverage of Lott?s record seldom goes beyond the current scandal and 1998 revelations of Lott?s links to the racist Council of Conservative Citizens.

As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1978, Lott was behind a successful effort to re-instate the citizenship of Confederate President Jefferson Davis (Associated Press, 6/2/78). In 1981, the year he became house minority whip, Lott prodded the Reagan administration into taking the side of Bob Jones University and other segregated private schools that were suing the Internal Revenue Service to restore tax exemptions withdrawn a decade earlier because of the schools? discriminatory racial policies (Washington Post, 1/18/82).

In 1982 and 1990, Lott voted against extending the Voting Rights Act, the law passed to insure that minorities-- especially Southern blacks-- had access to the voting booth. In 1990, he voted against continuation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the crown jewel of civil-rights legislation that desegregated education and public accommodations. In 1983 Lott voted against a national holiday for Martin Luther King, Jr., and in 1994 he voted to de-fund the MLK Jr. Holiday commission.

Lott?s appointment to chair the 1984 Republican Platform committee occasioned a soft New York Times article (8/14/84) describing Lott as ?a legislator who displays political shrewdness while avoiding making waves.? That was the same year Lott boasted in a speech to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, ?The spirit of Jefferson Davis lives in the 1984 Republican platform? (Southern Partisan, 4th quarter, 1984).

A few months later, in an interview with the neo-Confederate magazine Southern Partisan (4th quarter, 1984), Lott-- himself a member and promoter of the Sons of Confederate Veterans-- repeated Jefferson Davis? posthumous endorsement of the GOP platform, throwing in a reference to the Civil War as ?the War of Northern Aggression.? No one asked Lott then if the original "party of Lincoln" was becoming the party of Lincoln's chief nemesis.

It wasn?t until 1998 that national press scrutiny (with help from FAIR) focused on one neo-Confederate group-- the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC). The CCC is the successor to the notorious white Citizens Councils, whose history dates back half a century to the 1950s when the groups were referred to as the "uptown Klan." Today?s CCC rails against "race-mixing" and immigrants, and proudly associates with extreme rightists, from white supremacist David Duke to French racist and anti-Semite Jean-Marie LePen.

In December 1998, Lott denied any personal knowledge of the CCC, falsely claiming through a spokesperson that his links to the group amounted to a single speech made over a decade before he?d entered the Senate. In 1992, Sen. Lott praised the CCC as keynote speaker at its national convention; in 1997, he met with top CCC leaders in his Senate office; his column appeared throughout the 1990s in the group?s newsletter, which once published a cheerful photo of Lott and CCC members who were also his close relatives. Lott was also the guest of honor at a 1982 banquet hosted by a Mississippi chapter of the old white Citizens Councils (Extra!, 3-4/99).

In his defense of Lott (Meet the Press, 12/8/02), Bob Novak said, "Trent Lott got out there and he winged it. That's one of the dangers of not having a text. He thought it was a social occasion. He's thinking what comes to his mind." That sounds like a perfect reason to continue investigating Lott's racist connections.
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Dudd

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I don't really care about the whole quote thing, I think he was just trying to praise a fellow member of his party, but did anyone else see SNL Weekend Update? They had some good jokes in there about it.
 

astroview

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Yea Carbonyl, Lott does go a lot farther than I thought he would. He sounds like a closet racist to me, but I still keep my earlier stand against Strom :p

And to the guy that said it doesn't matter because you didn't elect him, yea well you know he is Senate Majority leader, YOUR senate majority leader. After all it is our senate. Lott is one of the top 10 most important Republicans and if Bush had not been elected Lott would have been de facto leader of the party.
 

woodie1

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And to the guy that said it doesn't matter because you didn't elect him, yea well you know he is Senate Majority leader, YOUR senate majority leader. After all it is our senate. Lott is one of the top 10 most important Republicans and if Bush had not been elected Lott would have been de facto leader of the party.

And you felt this way when Dashel(sp) was leader?

 

MrChicken

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It doesnt matter that he was thinking back some 60 years and remembering that the state he represents voted for Thurmond.

It doesnt matter that he was embellishing for the sake of a feeble old man.

It doesnt matter if he has changed his views over the years, or not.

What does matter is that a person stupid enough to say what he did say, should not be running the majority party in the Senate.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: astroview
What really amuses me is that Strom Thurmond was pretty racist, and is just now retiring from the Senate. And you don't hear a word of criticism of Strom Thurmand or the people who continuously reelected him in SC, but 3 sentences of praise get Lott in trouble.

I'm left wing, but I think this is nuts. Hey maybe instead of just criticizing Lott, critique that SOB Thurmond.

Oh thats right, he used to be a dem, so its safer to critique Lott! Makes me angry at both parties, and I'm a Democrat myself.


Sen Byrd also has a racist past but you don't hear any calls for him to resign. Double standards are being applied here.
 

Martin

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Lott should resign as senate leader. What he said was exactly what he meant. I can't believe people insist on not holding him responsible for what he said. It wasn't just mindless praise, there are many other ways to praise a person.

He in effect said that the civil rights movement was bad for america, that what Martin Luther King did was bad. Perhaps Lott would have prefered if blacks had taken up arms against whites, instead of protesting peacefully? Would america be better off today if that had happened?
 

josphII

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: jjsole
Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...

Lott was winging it and said something that was taken WAY out of context...

This is just the liberal nut jobs trying to create a mess...

Grasshopper




"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Trent Lott

What the hell "way out of context" are you talking about?

Screw your calling it "liberal nut jobs". Thats' just the same retorhic dribble you right wing wacko's use when you can't defend your own people getting caught with their feet in their mouths!:disgust:


the context is this was strom thurmonds retirement party or whatever and all lott was trying to do was give praise to the man for his many accomplishments, thats it. but the fact that this has caused so much controversy just shows how desparate the democratic party is.
 

etech

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At the news conference Friday in his Gulf Coast home town, Lott said he was "winging it" with those words, saying they were not meant to convey support for racial segregation, which he called "a stain on our nation's soul." Rather, he said, they marked an effort to help "an elderly gentleman to feel good. There were no venal thoughts in my mind."


But Lott acknowledged he was surprised at the furor his comments caused. "That shows you where I've done wrong," he said. "I mean, obviously I had a blind spot. I was insensitive in the words I chose."


Marty, all you are doing is interperting what you wanted Lott to be saying, not what he actually said.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: josphII
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: jjsole
Thurmond reformed his views long ago and did not go out as a racist. He denounced his previous views and admitted he was wrong, and voted in favor of equal rights issues. Lott on the other hand...

Lott was winging it and said something that was taken WAY out of context...

This is just the liberal nut jobs trying to create a mess...

Grasshopper




"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Trent Lott

What the hell "way out of context" are you talking about?

Screw your calling it "liberal nut jobs". Thats' just the same retorhic dribble you right wing wacko's use when you can't defend your own people getting caught with their feet in their mouths!:disgust:


the context is this was strom thurmonds retirement party or whatever and all lott was trying to do was give praise to the man for his many accomplishments, thats it. but the fact that this has caused so much controversy just shows how desparate the democratic party is.


The fact that carbon, triple, classy and marty can't post a single thing to substantiate their claims is further proof that the Dems are nothing but a bunch of loud mouth ignorant whiners.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
The fact that carbon, triple, classy and marty can't post a single thing to substantiate their claims is further proof that the Dems are nothing but a bunch of loud mouth ignorant whiners.


I am neither Dem nor Rep - I just call them as I see them. You know what I see right now? I see the same people who constantly whine about "personal responsibility" supporting Lott, who is refusing to take responsibility for what he said and is instead blaming it on the media for taking his words out of context.

You know what I call that? Pathetic.