Rand Paul has a plan to save Detroit

[BoberFett]

Not to mention the work ethic such people develop as well as the self respect that comes with earning a living.

Agreed. Lack of work destroys the human spirit, which is part of the problem with the welfare system. Welfare plus training as a bridge to employment yes. Generational dependence on handouts no.

 

[Doppel]

Does Detroit even deserve to be saved? Why keep encouraging it?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The problem with these sort of incentives is that the corporations who take advantage of the low rates only hire a handful of local employees and bring in the majority from elsewhere. Perhaps if they included a requirement that 90% were hired locally, it might help.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Does Detroit even deserve to be saved? Why keep encouraging it?

It's a major United States city! Pets, people and, communities are not disposable. City, State and Federal governments should be ashamed for turning their backs.

 

[Pocatello]

It's a major United States city! Pets, people and, communities are not disposable. City, State and Federal governments should be ashamed for turning their backs.

I agree, we're the United States of America, not Bickering or Divided States of America. Detroit failure should be viewed as a failure of the whole country, then maybe we can do something about it. It's not them vs us. This country has so much potential. We helped western Europe and Japan to rebuild after World War II. Why are we so helpless when it comes to save our own city and our people?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Funny how what Rand Paul is proposing to help save Detroit is essentially what China proposed back in the early 80's when it first dipped its toe into the capitalist waters. They started slow with certain cities when they had a decision to make about the economic future of their nation. Now look at the economic position they are in today. Yet it seems "progressives" would reject this similar idea out of spite and fear that it would actually work and demonstrate to the American public the power of a free and unburden market to turn things around in a US city essentially run into the ground by its local government.

 

[werepossum]

It's a major United States city! Pets, people and, communities are not disposable. City, State and Federal governments should be ashamed for turning their backs.

Because - then Detroit can lift their wallets while their backs are turned?

Seriously, I'm not sure what is your point. Should "City, State and Federal governments" just send Detroit money and hope that somehow, someday, Detroit magically begins to work again? That might make you feel better, but it doesn't seem fair to all the people who didn't break their cities but are now expected to support Detroit.

What Detroit needs is a plan like Ryan's which would allow Detroit to repair itself by attracting new capital. Pouring money into a broken city in the hopes that it will somehow unbreak is just foolish.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I say just evacuate everyone and turn the entire city into the largest laser tag gaming area in the world.

 

[First]

Rand's a more pragmatic, interesting and moderate figure than his father, but still a tick too kooky for most once you dig a little. His stance against the Fed and all that counter-intuitive economic dogma just won't fly, practically/substantively. Plus you had that whole plagiarism shit, which if I had to guess is just the tip of the iceburg in terms of Rand scandals. Not that he necessarily plagiarized himself (well, except for the Gattaca speech he memorized off Wikipedia, lol), but the fact that he has staff dumb enough to literally copy from Wikipedia and blatantly lift from other journalistic pieces searchable on the web....just strikes me as extreme amateur hour. He runs in too many of the same nutty goldbug circles as his father not to have all sorts of stuff come out when he's in the limelight of a Presidential run.

I will give him props for sounding less than crazy on immigration, though.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Because - then Detroit can lift their wallets while their backs are turned?

Seriously, I'm not sure what is your point. Should "City, State and Federal governments" just send Detroit money and hope that somehow, someday, Detroit magically begins to work again? That might make you feel better, but it doesn't seem fair to all the people who didn't break their cities but are now expected to support Detroit.

What Detroit needs is a plan like Ryan's which would allow Detroit to repair itself by attracting new capital. Pouring money into a broken city in the hopes that it will somehow unbreak is just foolish.

I said nothing about "giving " Detroit money. We do need a plan but, why are we waiting for a fringe loony like Rand Paul to offer one?

 

[werepossum]

I said nothing about "giving " Detroit money. We do need a plan but, why are we waiting for a fringe loony like Rand Paul to offer one?

As opposed to Obama?

 

[Agent11]

I like Rand Paul's idea, the only reason trickle down doesn't work on a national level these days is outsourcing, you end up with lots of new crap retail jobs. . . On a local level it is the best way to incentivize moving to such a crappy location.

Another thing congress could do is pass a law stating that automatic weapons can be manufactured in Detroit and sold for civilian use. Being the only city able manufacture and sell new automatic weapons for civilian use would be a huge boon for the city.

 

[JEDIYoda]

If he can show some results, he may be a very strong contender for POTUS in 2016.

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Rand Paul...............POTUS.................LMAO!!!!! ! hahahahahahahahhahaaaaaaa

 

[techofalltrades]

Another thing congress could do is pass a law stating that automatic weapons can be manufactured in Detroit and sold for civilian use.

so you WANT government telling businesses what they can and cannot do? and where they can and cannot build stuff?

what's next?


congress passing a law saying only Toyota can manufacture SUVs in sheboygan, wi?

such a slippery slope you propose

 

[Agent11]

The difference is that Toyota is not currently banned from selling new automatic cars.

 

[boomerang]

so you WANT government telling businesses what they can and cannot do? and where they can and cannot build stuff?

what's next?


congress passing a law saying only Toyota can manufacture SUVs in sheboygan, wi?

such a slippery slope you propose

Umm, I think you need to calibrate your sarcasm meter.

 

[techofalltrades]

Umm, I think you need to calibrate your sarcasm meter.

mine's been broken for years.

 

[compuwiz1]

Ultimately, if Detroit can be salvaged, it will be the ideals of libertarian leaning republicans that will do it. I really hope Rand Paul can get a chance at this. If he is sincere, which I believe he is, he will be a breath of fresh air to the people there. Democrats just need to let go of Detroit. There is nothing further they can destroy there. New businesses that come in with incentive to do so also need to make a commitment that residents come first, when it comes to training and hiring. Each new business should take on a contract to prioritize the locals, not bring in workers from outside the community. Provide an opportunity for every viable person. Even those on government assistance might even feel moved enough to try and get off of it, if given a chance and shown some daylight out of their plight.

 

[BoomerD]

I'm sure he does...just like he wanted to "save" Medicare...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OGnE83A1Z4U

 

[compuwiz1]

I'm sure he does...just like he wanted to "save" Medicare...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OGnE83A1Z4U

This is the same kind of bullshit the lefties use. When did you become a switch hitter?
We need many, many more of these propaganda type videos if Hillary decides to run.

 

[BoomerD]

This is the same kind of bullshit the lefties use. When did you become a switch hitter?
We need many, many more of these propaganda type videos if Hillary decides to run.

Switch hitter? Not me. I've been a Democrat since I started voting in 1971. I have NEVER voted for a candidate with (R) attached to his/her name...even when the (D) candidate sucked.
HOWEVER, do not mistake me for a bleeding-heart librul...in MOST ways, I'm every bit as conservative as anyone on the right side of the aisle...but, having been union most of my working life, I've always voted for the candidate/party that did the most to further MY working goals...instead of the party that wants to strip working people of their right to unionize.

 

[compuwiz1]

Switch hitter? Not me. I've been a Democrat since I started voting in 1971. I have NEVER voted for a candidate with (R) attached to his/her name...even when the (D) candidate sucked.
HOWEVER, do not mistake me for a bleeding-heart librul...in MOST ways, I'm every bit as conservative as anyone on the right side of the aisle...but, having been union most of my working life, I've always voted for the candidate/party that did the most to further MY working goals...instead of the party that wants to strip working people of their right to unionize.

Well damn mate, I was fooled. I know you don't like Obama and you don't approve of the ACA. You actually taught me something. I'm not always a foe of unions, but in the American auto worker's case, I do believe they were stupid, when it came to Detroit. There could have been a way that those great manufacturing jobs could have still been there.

 

[BoomerD]

Well damn mate, I was fooled. I know you don't like Obama and you don't approve of the ACA. You actually taught me something. I'm not always a foe of unions, but in the American auto worker's case, I do believe they were stupid, when it came to Detroit. There could have been a way that those great manufacturing jobs could have still been there.

I don't like O'Bummer, although I DID vote for him last time in the hope of keeping Mittens out of the office...as for the ACA...no, I REALLY don't like it. IMO, it is NOT the healthcare reform we need in this country. We SHOULD have gone to a system more like Canada's...where EVERYONE gets health insurance at no out-of-pocket cost. It seems like between what everyone already pays into premiums, (private, employer, government, Medicare, etc.) more than enough money is paid into the system. It's time for some SERIOUS reform...not just rolling over and letting the insurance companies fuck us in the ass. (IMO, there is NO REASON that, in a country as great as the US of A, a person could go bankrupt over medical bills...or should have to choose between eating and seeing a doctor.)
Yes, I know...hospital emergency rooms have to see you and treat you regardless of your ability to pay...but that just drives up the price for everyone else anyway...PLUS, they'll hound the person forever, trying to collect the debt, until they die or file bankruptcy.
Do I think such "socialized medicine" should cover EVERYTHING? No. It SHOULD cover basic doctor visits, prescriptions, and MAJOR MEDICAL. If you want elective surgery...pay for it. If you want a private room...pay for it.

We're pretty much in agreement about the US Auto Worker unions. They gave all unions a bad name...as do some government unions.
Just do your fucking job to the best of your ability...if you CAN'T do the job...GTFO and let someone else do it.
In construction, it was pretty easy to get fired. My union would stand up for the fired worker to a point...but if the person DESERVED to be fired...they usually told them so.

 

[compuwiz1]

BTW, Boomer.....I'm in the car business. I work in a Ford store. I can't totally dog the people who build the cars I sell.

 

[BoomerD]

BTW, Boomer.....I'm in the car business. I work in a Ford store. I can't totally dog the people who build the cars I sell.

I understand that. HEY! I'm looking for a decent used pick up that doesn't have a half a million miles on it...that isn't severely overpriced...

I've been looking around here for the last month. It seems like all the pickups have 150,000 miles...and they're priced just a bit less than the new ones. (after the incentives)