Rambus is good!!

[pm]

Rambus did not participate in the DDR standard, and whether or not they manipulated the SDRAM JEDEC standard process is the subject of a pending court case. You may have decided the outcome of this case in your mind already, but, lacking detailed knowledge of the case, I'll wait for the judges ruling before I'll make up my mind.

In the meantime, I will admit that money were completely irrelevant, then my dream system would have PC800 Direct RDRAM on an i840 motherboard.

Edit: Ben, you can't adjust a patent to be more broad or to cover something that it didn't originally cover. Once the application has been approved the scope of the patent can only be reduced.

The Lost Circuits article is interesting, but at the end the author admits to a certain amount of bias and has told only one side of the story (Micron's).

 

[dszd0g]

Here you go blurredvision...



<< Can't trust beauty over quality. Ever liked a good looking girl, only to find out she had crabs????? >>


Yeah, but we have a cure for crabs. We haven't found the cure for Rambus yet (We really need a :> smiley)

luvrambus:

The only reason that the Dream Systems use RDRAM is because they are dual processor systems and the best dual processor mobos use RDRAM. I didn't fully read either review, but they both appear to explain that the reason they are choosing that route is for the SMP.

Even though I don't agree with Tom on a lot of things, his blurbs about Rambus are generally right on the mark. His showdowns have showed that RDRAM generally has worse performance than some of the PC133 solutions.

RDRAM Fails Bandwidth Tests
Showdown at 133 Mhz FSB - Part2, The Real McCoy

 

[noxipoo]

why would anyone like a company that has a crappier product, charges twice for it and did by stealing open techs from other then suing them for using it. i guess people will like me if i patent the linux kernel and start suing redhat, suse, etc for using it. BAH!

 

[PliotronX]

Too late, Noxi..I snatched up the Linux kernel patent yesterday, and have already filed lawsuits against Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, and Debian. I also bought the patent to fingernails, so I'm now in the process of suing everyone on the planet for using them without a license.

 

[etech]

Either way Rambus is wrong. Either Rambus's lawyers had filed patents earlier and did not disclose them as their membership in Jedec required or they filed a broad patent earlier and amended it to include SDRAM standards as they learned of them.

They are trying to take over the memory industry by litigation and impose a standard that very few people actually want. (See benchmarks as compared to PC133). In the beginning they used grossly exaggerated and false claims to try and make people believe it was worth the exorbitant cost. At this time I see no benefit to Rambus.

If you want to support a company that has through nefarious means managed to get patents that cover not only SDRAM and also claims the rights to DDR. A company that is attempting to stifle competition by charging licensing fees for a much cheaper and quite possibly better alternative in DDR then they do for Rambus. If that is what Rambus supporters want then they will get what they deserve. Higher memory costs, less competition and a stifling of creativity for future memory systems.

Personally, as long as I have any choice at all, Rambus will not be in any motherboard I own.

 

[Guygye]

Ok, Let me be clear I'm not supporting RAMBUS but, a few people keep talking about future technology and compatibility which as far as I'm concerned is bullsh1t.

Ever since I've been buying and building my own systems, with the RAM, CPU's and Motherboards, I've never been able to upgrade 1 without upgrading the other, yes it was possible to upgrade my p150+ to p233 (MB Max) but why would I when there was the pii450 on the market or the overclockable 300a celery and the same applies to ram I went from SIMM to EDO to SDRAM and soon will be DDRAM. I'm sure by the time I'm ready to upgrade again I'll want the faster type of DDRAM or CPU which I'm guessing my board just might not be able to run, they might introduce the new &quot;flip hip tip chip&quot; so I'll need to upgrade all three again.

 

[Eug]

I for one will never buy a Rambus product. Fortunately, I have some pull in my dept. and our most recent purchase was Rambus free.

RDRAM is clearly inferior for most purposes, yet it costs more. Even if it cost less and was equally good, I would still refuse to buy it, because it is clear the company does not depend on innovation or even on acquiring innovative companies, but rather on litigation alone.

It is interesting to note that Rambus's sole product has already been eclipsed by others, and it never even was better than current technology in its time anyway.

 

[BFG10K]

The only reason people aren't buying Rambus is the price.

:Q Really?

How about abysmal performance, massive heat output and power consumption, and the fact that RAMBUS are monopolistic idiots who are now sueing the rest of the memory industry after they copied all of their ideas.

The reason why Intel is doing so badly at the moment is because RAMBUS is dragging them down. RAMBUS suck ass.

 

[Syborg1211]

wouldn't it be great if big companies like intel would keep an eye on anandtech forums and read all of our posts? then all the companies could learn what the people really think and not bullcrap polls they take from random people which know nothing about computers. Of course everybody which knows nothing about computers will only know about intel. i think amd should start an advertising campaign

 

[pm]

Yeah, it would be great if people from Intel read Anand's BBS.

 

[Vrangel]

LOL, pm.
Spread the word...

 

[Modus]

When people say RDRAM is suck, they're speaking relatively. Obviously, the world would not end if all PC's used RDRAM. But the reason RDRAM is suck is that SDRAM is better and cheaper in every possible situation.

Simple as that.

Modus

 

[Mday]

hey stupid, RAMBUS is not in there because it's good, it's in there because of the motherboard. if those damn mobos supported DDR, DDR would be RIGHT THERE!!!

 

[LXi]

Yep, Rambus is good... FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!

 

[ragiepew]

First off... here is a MAJOR reason why rambus sucks...
http://www2.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1319&amp;p=8
Unless im reading it wrong, RDRAM lost in almost ALL benches compared not only to DDR SDRAM but also tho SDR SDRAM.


<< Just wait, intel was laid back this year because they didn't see amd as a threat, but soon the real competition shall begin. >>


Spoken like a true intel lover... intel didn't not &quot;take it easy&quot;, they got their head pounded w/ some reality. They did take AMD seriously and now they are paying the price. Intel will not &quot;die&quot; but they will never be the same. I hate to see you talk like this syboy knowing how much of an intel lover you are... trying to make yourself sound unbiased is crap... Also, you know that crap you were spilling about athlon mobos costing more... check this:

Asus CUSL2 = $135
Asus A7V = $130

now those prices are from pricewatch and were the lowest i found on both of these at this time.
This is not a flame but the truth... dont come in here, bring up a CPU war when this thread wasnt even about CPU's... and totally make up crap.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

<< Interesting. It seems if you have an opinion that is not shared by the majority here you are going to be labled a troll and flamed for it. >>

A-F@cking-men, Red! There surely seems to have been a large influx of hyprocrites lately who, based on their own opinions (and nothing more), go out of their way to denegrate others' (opinion(s)). The only person in this whole thread who has even an inkling of what really is going on with the Rambust situation is pm.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Actually Rambus is good for things like Game Boxes, etc. It does have its areas of superiority. But i must agree with the majority of posts here. DDR Sdram is far better than RamBus.

 

[pm]

<< The only person in this whole thread who has even an inkling of what really is going on with the Rambust situation is pm. >>



Well, not really. About the only thing that I know is why Intel backs it, and what our future plans are... none of which, unfortunately, I can talk about. But I don't think that I know even half the story. For that we'd need someone who works for either Rambus or a major memory manufacturer to speak up.

For what it's worth, Intel engineers and management are aware of users and OEM's concerns regarding Direct RDRAM. In fact, at every group meeting that I've attended with a GM or VP (we have large team meetings every couple of months hosted by some big-wig) one or two pointed questions regarding Direct RDRAM are asked. I can't speak for Intel in any way shape or form (I'm just a lowly circuit design engineer), but I can say that Intel is aware of what's going on.

 

[Narse]

This is a Joke right or maybe a dream, ouch thought so

 

[Skooch]

I too thought rambus was good....then I woke up from that horrible nightmare!

 

[Kappo]

It is amazing....
Ok, rambus sucks...but for the people that are not intelligent enough to have a discussion...
How many people own SOMETHING created by INTEL? or HAVE owned something by them? Well then you suck.
All of the people that want to bend over for AMD and let the Fook you in the A$$ because you like it soooo much, that is up to you!...think about it...imagine if AMD has INTEL's position...you think they you guys would like them then? OF COURSE...and then there would be the people that were rooting for the underdog (AMD is STILL the underdog by the way).
I like INTEL for some reasons and I like AMD for others. I want the product that gives me the most performance for the buck. Right now that is AMD...
anyhow, the flamers made me post...let the guy post his opinion and not get cursed out because of YOUR own personal insecurities...if it kills you that bad then you should GET THERAPY!!!!

 

[GammaRayX]

I remember hearing about a memory manufacter suing (or counter-suing) RamBUST claiming that its patents are invalid because of &quot;prior&quot; art.

I guess we now know who those prior art belongs to.

Infineon claims Rambus SDRAM, DRDRAM infringes its patents.

BTW - The suit can also blow up Rambus' own DRDRAM patents.

 

[BFG10K]

I can't speak for Intel in any way shape or form (I'm just a lowly circuit design engineer), but I can say that Intel is aware of what's going on.

PM, I realise you are under NDA but generally speaking, can you explain to me why RDRAM is still alive? Why is generating so much hype if it sucks so bad?

It totally underperforms, has a shocking price and shockingly high power usage and heat generation. Surely DDR RAM is the next logical step for motherboard RAM, given most video cards use it for their high bandwidth requirements.

 

[rmblam]

<< Anandtech's Dream System

The Tech Zone's Dream System >>

So these are &quot;dream&quot; systems. I'd like to see real world benchmarks on these systems and how they compare to current solutions. I think the object of the articles are &quot;how expensive can I make it&quot; and not which is the best performer.


<<< The only reason people aren't buying Rambus is the price. >>>

I suggest you look here:

and here:

and here:

and here:

I also liked the series over at Toms

<<< Also don't give me crap on latency; sure there is more latency. Does it really mater? >>>

Rambus says it does here. They even claim to have a lower latency...lol!!! sure for only one bank. The more banks added the worse it gets. This was discussed somewhat here

This article is good at explaining RDRAM's weaknesses and strengths.

OK I think maybe you'll get the point. Or will you? Obviously, by your name, you buy into their BS and won't be told otherwise. I guess I'd defend my stock purchase decisions too if that were the case.

Right now it is trendy to hate Rambus because of their behavior. Even if the performance was on par with current and future solutions the tech world will probably still avoid it just out of spite.
It's the unknowning wealthy yuppies and the Playstation babies that will end up with the stuff.

luvrambus if you wish. Expect to take a few lumps with that name though.

Speaking of LUV Intel doesn't seem to be luving rambus much more either.

Intel readying DDR-enabled chipset?

According to IC insider, Jack Robertson, Intel Corp. may be on the verge of breaking its contract with the litigious Rambus Inc., by manufacturing a desktop double-data-rate-enabled chipset. Memory companies are reportedly supplying Intel with the quantity of unbuffered Dual In-line Memory Modules necessary for developing its desktop DDR Almador chipset. A DDR chipset for servers, on the other hand, would require buffered DIMMs. The word from suppliers is that Intel is preparing desktop-DDR capability to support an upgraded Pentium 3 or the future Northwood Pentium 4, violating Intel's contract with Rambus that bars the company from selling its own desktop-DDR chipset before 2003. Analysts have expressed bewilderment as to how Intel could market a DDR chipset for desktops next year without incurring serious legal consequences.

To read the source article, click ebnews.com

 

[Dennis Travis]

<< if you read around in the forum you will see that I have posted other topics and many replies..I did not create this account for this post. Another thing..I did not use foul language like you did >>



That maybe be very true but you also came here and insulted 16 year olds and said that they can't properly setup a system. Those are fighting words and will not make your post very accepted here or on any other Forms. Judging all people under 18 and saying they can't fix or setup a computer is just wrong. I have met 15 year olds I would trust more than a lot of so called MCSE's or A+ Cert techs with all the degrees on their walls. I have learned over the years you can 't judge people by their age. When I was 15 a long time ago now I used to go into Audio Electronics shops and fix stuff that the 30+ year old tech could not figure out and made them quite embarased that they were outdone by some 15 year old kid.

On the Rambus issue, Price is probably the main reason a lot of people don't go with Rambus but also it really does not perform that much better than SDRAM and the little improvement is only in a few selected Benchmarks and very small for the large price one pays for Rambus compaired to good old SDRAM. Also Rambus is going around sueing everyone and I don't have a lot of respect for them for that reason also.

If you would have posted your message not putting down people and kids it might have gone over a lot better.

I am not trying to flame you by the way. I just thought I would point out that one issue about 16 year olds. I will also abmit that if someone gave me a motherboard and RDRAM I would use it. It is very fast. I just can not afford it and can put together a system with SDRAM that performs just as good overall for so much less $$$. If the day comes that RDRAM comes down in price and performs better than what is out there I will buy it. I am not predujiced toward any one technology but try to go with the best for the least amount of $$$.