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hardcore_gamer29

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i have corsair LPX 32gb 16x2 3600mhz my question is how far can i stretch it currently it is at 3766mhz 19 23 23 44 if i clock it to 4000mhz will there be any difference in gaming plus windows open close programs browsers etc.? also will it decrease life of rams my motherboard is msi z490 tomahawk
 

maluckey1

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Hmmm, I don't know much about networking.....or Netflix. Your guess is likely as good as mine.

Sorry!

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Hmmm, I don't know much about networking.....or Netflix. Your guess is likely as good as mine.

Sorry!

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ok so just started my pc today and after bios screen sysytem shutdown automatically and also ran intel diagnostic utility it crashed saying irql driver not less or equal
 

maluckey1

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That's a fairly common error when overclocking. Raise the DRAM voltage and recover. My system needs 1.37v at 4133mhz, so you may need to go higher for 4400mhz. Many people believe that up to 1.4v is acceptable for routine use.

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maluckey1

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Be certain to stress test that setting! Even if it passess "normal stress tests" it may be unstabel.

I run 3D Mark while running OCT Extreme for an hour. If that passes, I run IBT for 15 minutes or so to check temperatures

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Be certain to stress test that setting! Even if it passess "normal stress tests" it may be unstabel.

I run 3D Mark while running OCT Extreme for an hour. If that passes, I run IBT for 15 minutes or so to check temperatures

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what is ibt and oct?
3d mark has passed test
 

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maluckey1

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Intel Burn Test=IBT. It's INTENSE for the CPU to the point of almost being unrealistic. If you can pass 15-20 minutes with a good-sized RAM load, you're CPU is likely stable. It's included in OCCT in the newer versions

OCCT is a great testing suite that include HW Info for monitoring and stress testing. It can also stress test your RAM and GPU. It's free, or you can pay for a few extra features.

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Intel Burn Test=IBT. It's INTENSE for the CPU to the point of almost being unrealistic. If you can pass 15-20 minutes with a good-sized RAM load, you're CPU is likely stable. It's included in OCCT in the newer versions

OCCT is a great testing suite that include HW Info for monitoring and stress testing. It can also stress test your RAM and GPU. It's free, or you can pay for a few extra features.

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there is some weird problem happening now massive drop in fps now even i set ram settings to auto now but same fps drop even in battlefield 3 i am getting fps drops till 46 i have updated my windows to 20h2 what could be the issue
 

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IF your RAM isn't throwing errors (as checked by MEMTEST or WIndows 10 Memory Diagnostics) then you should do a clean install of your video and ALL audio drivers. Both corrupted video and corrupted audio drivers (and related settings) can cause gaming issues. These drivers can become corrupted by a bad overclock.

When I test new overclocking, I reload audio and video drivers when I'm done. I recently OC'ed my GPU (for Cyberpunk 2077) and corrupted the Nvidia driver. It was only holding 40-45 FPS at 1440P at HIGH preset. After reloading video drivers with a clean install, the same settings went to 55-62 avg FPS in Night city maps.

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IF your RAM isn't throwing errors (as checked by MEMTEST or WIndows 10 Memory Diagnostics) then you should do a clean install of your video and ALL audio drivers. Both corrupted video and corrupted audio drivers (and related settings) can cause gaming issues. These drivers can become corrupted by a bad overclock.

When I test new overclocking, I reload audio and video drivers when I'm done. I recently OC'ed my GPU (for Cyberpunk 2077) and corrupted the Nvidia driver. It was only holding 40-45 FPS at 1440P at HIGH preset. After reloading video drivers with a clean install, the same settings went to 55-62 avg FPS in Night city maps.

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exactly i have multimedia keyboard when in game i tried to reduce volume it dropped my fps imediately after pressing volume key
 

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i reinstalled windows still there is 10+ fps drop if i press volume decrease or mute key on keyboard while in game
 

maluckey1

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Reinstall the Audio driver and any software that controls your keyboard/mouse. Also check to see that the key mapping is compatible with the game that you ae in.

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Reinstall the Audio driver and any software that controls your keyboard/mouse. Also check to see that the key mapping is compatible with the game that you ae in.

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I am depressed now i reinstalled windows 2 times still same problem i formatted whole pc i have no option left now
 

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i today 3rd time reinstalled windows 10 that too 1909 old verison still it is same do not have any clue what is going on and what to do now i formatted my new nvme ssd 3 times it may reduce life i guess
 

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No need to reinstall windows or format any drives. You should focus on things that can affect framerate:

-Video card / drivers
-audio card / drivers
-RAM errors (test each RAM module by itself)
-keyboard and mouse / drivers / software
-CPU throttling (check temperatures)

If you use process of elimination, you'll solve the problem faster. Think back to when your setup was working, then think about what has changed. Focus on what changed, and/or your components that are overclocked and work from there.

It will be a bit of differential diagnosis, but instead of wasting time on things it cannot be, you'll be spending that time working with real possibilities

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No need to reinstall windows or format any drives. You should focus on things that can affect framerate:

-Video card / drivers
-audio card / drivers
-RAM errors (test each RAM module by itself)
-keyboard and mouse / drivers / software
-CPU throttling (check temperatures)

If you use process of elimination, you'll solve the problem faster. Think back to when your setup was working, then think about what has changed. Focus on what changed, and/or your components that are overclocked and work from there.

It will be a bit of differential diagnosis, but instead of wasting time on things it cannot be, you'll be spending that time working with real possibilities

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thanks for helping me as you already know my machine is new bought on 28th december i9 10900k corsair lpx 3600mhz msi z490 tomahawk etc.
now there had been no change from my side in any software of hardware i do not suddenly why this problem poped up from no where if i press volume up down or mute key on keyboard it drops my fps till 42. i overclocked my ram as you already know but i reset my bios and enabled xmp then reinstalled windows then let me tell my routine setup :
i install nvidia driver, then i install intel chipset driver, intel management engine, audio driver then, realtek ethernet as usual. Then, i install msi afterburner then hwinfo64 then i install every game . i also uninstall skype and one drive as dont use it , then i disable xbox game bar or game capture or broadcast. this has been my routine since i had i5 2500k machine not even a single software has been changed. i really do not know about mouse and keyboard driver? they are plug n play logitech mk200 my eye balls got swollen yesterday till 3.30am i was installing windows again then all drivers then games etc. there is NO CPU throttling temperature always under 40 under gaming as i always use msi afterburner. what should i do about audio driver i install directly from msi site an no other new available also nvidia driver is also latest for gtx 1660ti. please tell where should i start now
i installed windows 20h2 then 2004 then now have 1909 but no help
thanks for your kind help
 

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Pretty thorough so far. That's good!

My opinion....for what it's worth....

It's not WIndows, or the CPU if it's not throttling. My primary suspects are:

--The keyboard, since it is a known trigger for your issue. Try a basic no-frills cable-connected keyboard
--Audio codec or audio hardware. Have you tried using the Nvidia audio instead of the Realtek?
--PSU. If the PSU is borderline, it can cause all sorts of odd issues with multiple components. Your setup (and OC), needs a quality PSU of more than 650 watts. Ideally, you'd want 15-20 percent more wattage than the minimum to allow some headroom.
-CPU can easily pull over 250W. Does your board have 2 power-connectors for the CPU? If so, use them both!
-Video card up to 120W for 1660ti series cards. Run the "Power" test in OCCT. It loads the GPU and CPU at the same time. It's similar to an intense gaming load, and can help find borderline/faulty power supply.
- Motherboard pulls around 80-90w when overclocked. Make sure the VRM's are not overheating
- 32GB of OC'ed RAM can pull up to 30w. Good airflow over OC'ed RAM is needed. (likely not an issue though)

Lastly, have you tested each RAM module independently? If not, now's the time.

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hardcore_gamer29

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Pretty thorough so far. That's good!

My opinion....for what it's worth....

It's not WIndows, or the CPU if it's not throttling. My primary suspects are:

--The keyboard, since it is a known trigger for your issue. Try a basic no-frills cable-connected keyboard
--Audio codec or audio hardware. Have you tried using the Nvidia audio instead of the Realtek?
--PSU. If the PSU is borderline, it can cause all sorts of odd issues with multiple components. Your setup (and OC), needs a quality PSU of more than 650 watts. Ideally, you'd want 15-20 percent more wattage than the minimum to allow some headroom.
-CPU can easily pull over 250W. Does your board have 2 power-connectors for the CPU? If so, use them both!
-Video card up to 120W for 1660ti series cards. Run the "Power" test in OCCT. It loads the GPU and CPU at the same time. It's similar to an intense gaming load, and can help find borderline/faulty power supply.
- Motherboard pulls around 80-90w when overclocked. Make sure the VRM's are not overheating
- 32GB of OC'ed RAM can pull up to 30w. Good airflow over OC'ed RAM is needed. (likely not an issue though)

Lastly, have you tested each RAM module independently? If not, now's the time.

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keyboard does not have any software installed it is usb
msi z490 tomahawk it is quality board why use nvidia audio
psu is coolermaster mwe 850 gold
motherboard has 2 power pins i am using 8 pin only if both used 8+4 i does not boot at all( i am not overclocking cpu)
 

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keyboard does not have any software installed it is usb
msi z490 tomahawk it is quality board why use nvidia audio
psu is coolermaster mwe 850 gold
motherboard has 2 power pins i am using 8 pin only if both used 8+4 i does not boot at all( i am not overclocking cpu)

1. USB keyboards can have software issues. Not saying this is the case...but it could be. Swapping to a different keyboard can eliminate this as a possibility
2. You test with Nvidia audio to see if the Realtek driver/hardware is an issue. If there's no issue...then the issue is the keyboard
3. Your PSU has enough watts...but is it faulty? It's one part that you haven't mentioned that you've tested. Even NEW parts can be defective
4. It should be fine with one connector, but Ideally (the 10900k is about the most power-hungry CPU out there), you should use both. It's odd/strange that using both doesn't boot. The owners manual setup guide on page 7, shows both connected. It should work.......

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Probably a software issue, with the visual overlay for the audio widget. Either that, or the drivers for your keyboard. Also, some games have "slowdown" with MSI afterburner installed / running / sometimes when the overlay is enabled.

Make sure that you don't have the background game recording enabled (GeForce Experience, Radeon Re-Live), I think that most modern drivers will default to ENABLED, to allow you "instant recall" if you want to save the last 15 minutes of your gaming to a video clip / file.
 

maluckey1

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Probably a software issue, with the visual overlay for the audio widget. Either that, or the drivers for your keyboard. Also, some games have "slowdown" with MSI afterburner installed / running / sometimes when the overlay is enabled.

Make sure that you don't have the background game recording enabled (GeForce Experience, Radeon Re-Live), I think that most modern drivers will default to ENABLED, to allow you "instant recall" if you want to save the last 15 minutes of your gaming to a video clip / file.

Good point about MSI afterburner and game recording...! I hadn't thought about that......

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hardcore_gamer29

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1. USB keyboards can have software issues. Not saying this is the case...but it could be. Swapping to a different keyboard can eliminate this as a possibility
2. You test with Nvidia audio to see if the Realtek driver/hardware is an issue. If there's no issue...then the issue is the keyboard
3. Your PSU has enough watts...but is it faulty? It's one part that you haven't mentioned that you've tested. Even NEW parts can be defective
4. It should be fine with one connector, but Ideally (the 10900k is about the most power-hungry CPU out there), you should use both. It's odd/strange that using both doesn't boot. The owners manual setup guide on page 7, shows both connected. It should work.......

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Issue is only if i press multimedia keys if i dont press fps always normal now when i did not install audio drivers they were default windows 10 sound still fps dropped. So psu is normal as only fps drops when i click mute key
 

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Probably a software issue, with the visual overlay for the audio widget. Either that, or the drivers for your keyboard. Also, some games have "slowdown" with MSI afterburner installed / running / sometimes when the overlay is enabled.

Make sure that you don't have the background game recording enabled (GeForce Experience, Radeon Re-Live), I think that most modern drivers will default to ENABLED, to allow you "instant recall" if you want to save the last 15 minutes of your gaming to a video clip / file.
i am not even signed in with geforce experience and windows game mode settings broadcast etc.all turned off with msi afterbunrner not installed with fps counter software same problem and this has suddenly happened with same softwares all same drivers my new machine was working fine but now windows installed two times same problem how do i do away with keyboard driver? it is plug n play