Question ram overclocking

[hardcore_gamer29]

i have corsair LPX 32gb 16x2 3600mhz my question is how far can i stretch it currently it is at 3766mhz 19 23 23 44 if i clock it to 4000mhz will there be any difference in gaming plus windows open close programs browsers etc.? also will it decrease life of rams my motherboard is msi z490 tomahawk

 

[maluckey1]

thanks for staying here for son long in this thread now i have settled with 4133mhz 17 22 22 45 1.38volts and i am happy with this thanks

I just remember when I was starting with overclocking. Back then, everyone seemed to not be very helpful, or would just pass-along incorrect information as if it were gospel. I always appreciated when someone would share failures as well as success.

--"Failure is just another way to find the truth"

It's a motto that I came up with (it's original as far as I knowl). It means that even in utter failure there is knowledge to leverage.

It's way at arriving at success without the glamour, but often with a deeper understanding and appreciation for your arrival at success.

Welp! Enough of me waxing poetic...time to go do some killing in Cyberpunk 2077.

M

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

one advice to new overclockers though: first completely make sure and test your oc setup and lower or higher anything as much as possible as we have to reinstall audio video drivers also check in game fps if there is stutter we have to tweak again timings. My ea origin also crashed after ocing so need to reinstall and repair all games as well so it is long process first just make sure you have tightened ram timing as much as possible and any voltage, then only reinstall drivers and repair games
good luck
FINAL settings for MSI Z490 TOMAHAWK AND CORSAIR LPX 3600MHZ 16GBX2 KIT(YOU CANNOT GO BELOW THESE AS PC WILL NOT BOOT)
4133mhz 17 -21 -21- 40 -720 1.38v
CPUsa and CPUio 1.32V , 1.28V

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

I just remember when I was starting with overclocking. Back then, everyone seemed to not be very helpful, or would just pass-along incorrect information as if it were gospel. I always appreciated when someone would share failures as well as success.

--"Failure is just another way to find the truth"

It's a motto that I came up with (it's original as far as I knowl). It means that even in utter failure there is knowledge to leverage.

It's way at arriving at success without the glamour, but often with a deeper understanding and appreciation for your arrival at success.

Welp! Enough of me waxing poetic...time to go do some killing in Cyberpunk 2077.

M

hey i had been having problem with ea origin it was crashing but if i run ram at SPD 2133mhz it will not crash so where should i start tweak now should i make higer ram timing or cpu sa and io?

 

[maluckey1]

CAS 17 is fairly tight. Start with raising your timing slightly to 18-21-21-41, make sure DDR training is enabled, and reboot. Then test that game again. I found that CAS 17 required around 1.39v (under load) to be 100 percent stable. It gained almost nothing in game FPS (about 1 FPS on the 1 percent lowest). It's the reason I have settled on CAS 18. I can stably run as low as 17-20-20-40-63, but diminishing returns versus performance curve wasn't worth the change.

M

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

CAS 17 is fairly tight. Start with raising your timing slightly to 18-21-21-41, make sure DDR training is enabled, and reboot. Then test that game again. I found that CAS 17 required around 1.39v (under load) to be 100 percent stable. It gained almost nothing in game FPS (about 1 FPS on the 1 percent lowest). It's the reason I have settled on CAS 18. I can stably run as low as 17-20-20-40-63, but diminishing returns versus performance curve wasn't worth the change.

M

hello again this thread needs to be continued ... i had been running occt for 1 minute only but now in 10 minutes in large data set it is giving errors how do i do now i am out of options bro

 

[Shmee]

Sounds like it is not quite stable at those settings. You need to increase voltage, reduce frequency, or increase timings.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

18 22 22 42 720 1.37v medium and large data set occt finished good but small data set cpu is at 97 degree is it not risky?

 

[Shmee]

Yeah that is pretty warm I would say. That said, small data set does not test RAM stability at all supposedly. Are you ocing the CPU at all? Also what cooling are you using?

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

Yeah that is pretty warm I would say. That said, small data set does not test RAM stability at all supposedly. Are you ocing the CPU at all? Also what cooling are you using?

No i am not ocing cpu its all auto in game temp. Are always below 40 it is only occt temp. Reached 100 deepcool castle ex 360mm

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

Sounds like it is not quite stable at those settings. You need to increase voltage, reduce frequency, or increase timings.

please see attachment see right bottom is it a bug due to ram airplane mode is randomly shown where it should not be at all

 

[UsandThem]

please see attachment see right bottom is it a bug due to ram airplane mode is randomly shown where it should not be at all

And you don't think that RAM errors can cause weird issues like that?

I don't think I've seen an airplane mode "bug" on the forums here. I imagine there probably has been a bug concerning that, but what are the odds you were the one to get it? Just run your RAM in it's XMP setting, and use your PC for gaming instead of creating issues.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

And you don't think that RAM errors can cause weird issues like that?

I don't think I've seen an airplane mode "bug" on the forums here. I imagine there probably has been a bug concerning that, but what are the odds you were the one to get it? Just run your RAM in it's XMP setting, and use your PC for gaming instead of creating issues.

Do you think i have not tried all this? I tried even with spd which 2133mhz still same issue

 

[UsandThem]

Do you think i have not tried all this? I tried even with spd which 2133mhz still same issue

I'm just saying for years you have had so many issues with your PCs. I don't even know how it's even possible for one person to have so many problems unless they are changing/altering stuff where they don't know what they are doing.

 

[maluckey1]

Hmmmmn......I've Been a member of this forum for 18 years......personal attacks are common (and I took them and dished them) in the Politics forum....I believe they have no place here! Criticize the thought process or the approach, but not the person.

--hardcore_gamer29...You've seemingly been listening to at least some of my advice. I appreciate the effort! Overclocking is NOT an exact science. Two identical rigs will show different weaknesses when pushed.

My advice is to leave the timings and voltage as-is, amd change the frequency to DDR 4000 (and retrain). IF the problem goes away you have your answer. Now...as far as the CPU voltage being set to auto....not a wise choice as I mentioned. It will run HOT, and will likely overvolt for no reason.

M

 

[UsandThem]

Hmmmmn......I've Been a member of this forum for 18 years......personal attacks are common (and I took them and dished them) in the Politics forum....I believe they have no place here! Criticize the thought process or the approach, but not the person.

If you feel like something violates forum posting guidelines, report it. I never attacked them personally, I pointed out they have to be doing something wrong to have so many issues over so many years.

I generally stay out of this user's threads, but when they cross-post in other sub-forums telling users there that their PC is 100% stable until the most recent issue, a person has a right to point out that isn't true. In fact, I used to try and help this poster out in the past with their issues, but it's the same thing over and over.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

Hmmmmn......I've Been a member of this forum for 18 years......personal attacks are common (and I took them and dished them) in the Politics forum....I believe they have no place here! Criticize the thought process or the approach, but not the person.

--hardcore_gamer29...You've seemingly been listening to at least some of my advice. I appreciate the effort! Overclocking is NOT an exact science. Two identical rigs will show different weaknesses when pushed.

My advice is to leave the timings and voltage as-is, amd change the frequency to DDR 4000 (and retrain). IF the problem goes away you have your answer. Now...as far as the CPU voltage being set to auto....not a wise choice as I mentioned. It will run HOT, and will likely overvolt for no reason.

M

Which cpu voltage SA and IO ?

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

Hmmmmn......I've Been a member of this forum for 18 years......personal attacks are common (and I took them and dished them) in the Politics forum....I believe they have no place here! Criticize the thought process or the approach, but not the person.

--hardcore_gamer29...You've seemingly been listening to at least some of my advice. I appreciate the effort! Overclocking is NOT an exact science. Two identical rigs will show different weaknesses when pushed.

My advice is to leave the timings and voltage as-is, amd change the frequency to DDR 4000 (and retrain). IF the problem goes away you have your answer. Now...as far as the CPU voltage being set to auto....not a wise choice as I mentioned. It will run HOT, and will likely overvolt for no reason.

M

thanks for staying here for so long yes, i did what you exactly said step by step but still we need to continue AND i am not DELIBERATELY making this thread long i have spent much money say only on CPU it costed me 40000 rupees i9 10900k so, i need to extract as much as i can thanks for understanding
i need to start again as after altering to 18 22 22 42 windows takes much time to say restart pc i am very sensitive to all this minor speeds so i can feel it all.
NOW, i have again set my everything to auto let me tell you a good ram glitch that graphical glitch in network icon when i clicked on network icon in bottom right see the image it is showing airplane mode where it should not be i think it is ram glitch or something LIKE I SAID I AM VERY SENSITIVE i can quickly get it even a minor glitch i can catch it. now as everything is at auto but i want to keep my ram at 4133mhz tell me now AGAIN how to start ? also should i connect both cpu power pins 8 and 4 as i am not overclocking cpu at all will this not overheat like more power will got to cpu

 

[maluckey1]

OK,

--Windows slow reboot is often caused by the hardware learning mode. My Aurous board allows timing changes after MRC_Done. I'm guessing that MSI boards do the same. I see slow reboot from time to time; especially after changing settings.

--Here's some information about OCCT.

1. OCCT small data set is mostly stressing CPU and very good at producing heat, and exposing problems with cooling the CPU.
2. OCCT Large dataset in "Extreme" mode is good at testing RAM and related subsystems
3. OCCT Power tests CPU, PSU, cooling and memory controller
4. Linpack test can test CPU and CPU subsystems and is reasonably good at testing cooling

Each test is good at a different area, but overlap a bit. Overclocking is an iterative process, filled with critical thinking and differential analysis. If you change too many parameters at once, the process becomes VERY complicated and may become too complex to account for all the different factors at play.

--That is where you are at the moment. You have changed parameters without first fully validating each change. It's hard to think that something that runs a stress test for thirty minutes isn't stable, but in my experience, nothing is stable until I try several different stress tests for several hours. After the first test, I run multiple stress tests at the same time. Even then, gaming on a overclocked system can sometimes find instabilities after all that.

--Windows 10 airplane mode issue that you mention could be ANYTHING, since you've changed so many parameters and crashed so many times. open "Command" using administrator privilege and type:

SFC /scannow

If this comes back with errors you should fix them before anything else.



M.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

OK,

--Windows slow reboot is often caused by the hardware learning mode. My Aurous board allows timing changes after MRC_Done. I'm guessing that MSI boards do the same. I see slow reboot from time to time; especially after changing settings.

--Here's some information about OCCT.

1. OCCT small data set is mostly stressing CPU and very good at producing heat, and exposing problems with cooling the CPU.
2. OCCT Large dataset in "Extreme" mode is good at testing RAM and related subsystems
3. OCCT Power tests CPU, PSU, cooling and memory controller
4. Linpack test can test CPU and CPU subsystems and is reasonably good at testing cooling

Each test is good at a different area, but overlap a bit. Overclocking is an iterative process, filled with critical thinking and differential analysis. If you change too many parameters at once, the process becomes VERY complicated and may become too complex to account for all the different factors at play.

--That is where you are at the moment. You have changed parameters without first fully validating each change. It's hard to think that something that runs a stress test for thirty minutes isn't stable, but in my experience, nothing is stable until I try several different stress tests for several hours. After the first test, I run multiple stress tests at the same time. Even then, gaming on a overclocked system can sometimes find instabilities after all that.

--Windows 10 airplane mode issue that you mention could be ANYTHING, since you've changed so many parameters and crashed so many times. open "Command" using administrator privilege and type:

SFC /scannow

If this comes back with errors you should fix them before anything else.



M.

thanks i did not know that it had all these tests i was only running cpu test 1st option and i just switched to ram and it instantly crashsed pc error was tried to write to readonly memory

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

OK,

--Windows slow reboot is often caused by the hardware learning mode. My Aurous board allows timing changes after MRC_Done. I'm guessing that MSI boards do the same. I see slow reboot from time to time; especially after changing settings.

--Here's some information about OCCT.

1. OCCT small data set is mostly stressing CPU and very good at producing heat, and exposing problems with cooling the CPU.
2. OCCT Large dataset in "Extreme" mode is good at testing RAM and related subsystems
3. OCCT Power tests CPU, PSU, cooling and memory controller
4. Linpack test can test CPU and CPU subsystems and is reasonably good at testing cooling

Each test is good at a different area, but overlap a bit. Overclocking is an iterative process, filled with critical thinking and differential analysis. If you change too many parameters at once, the process becomes VERY complicated and may become too complex to account for all the different factors at play.

--That is where you are at the moment. You have changed parameters without first fully validating each change. It's hard to think that something that runs a stress test for thirty minutes isn't stable, but in my experience, nothing is stable until I try several different stress tests for several hours. After the first test, I run multiple stress tests at the same time. Even then, gaming on a overclocked system can sometimes find instabilities after all that.

--Windows 10 airplane mode issue that you mention could be ANYTHING, since you've changed so many parameters and crashed so many times. open "Command" using administrator privilege and type:

SFC /scannow

If this comes back with errors you should fix them before anything else.



M.

what is the meaning of iteration i am now running 17-20-20-36 1.360v. also how do i change trfc i have not yet chnged it

 

[maluckey1]

what is the meaning of iteration i am now running 17-20-20-36 1.360v. also how do i change trfc i have not yet chnged it

Good to see that you're testing. You can also use AIDA64 memory tester, MEMTEST or HCI. Run another RAM test and play an intense game at the same time for a couple hours. If it doesn't have issues after that, you are likely OK.

-- tRFC is the refresh cycle time. I suggest that you leave it on AUTO. Unless you are benchmarking, you won't see any significant difference by adjusting it.

--An iteration is a repetition of a process. When you run a benchmark one time...you run one iteration.

M

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

Good to see that you're testing. You can also use AIDA64 memory tester, MEMTEST or HCI. Run another RAM test and play an intense game at the same time for a couple hours. If it doesn't have issues after that, you are likely OK.

-- tRFC is the refresh cycle time. I suggest that you leave it on AUTO. Unless you are benchmarking, you won't see any significant difference by adjusting it.

--An iteration is a repetition of a process. When you run a benchmark one time...you run one iteration.

M

hi one last question are these timings odd? or good as i am last time reinstalling windows now so just need to confirm as i will not alter any setting now ever

CPU CPU Clock Motherboard Chipset Memory CL-RCD-RP-RAS Read Speed
10x Core i9-10900K HT 4900 MHz [ TRIAL VERSION ] Z490 Ext. Dual DDR4-3866 17-20-20-37 CR2 54157 MB/s
1.36volts

 

[maluckey1]

For Micron E-Die @ 3866, those timings and voltage do not look odd.

For reference: XMP is 18-22-22-42-64 2t @ 3600 for your set.

You got a free boost in speed over the advertised settings. Good job! It's always nice to get more than you pay for.

M

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

For Micron E-Die @ 3866, those timings and voltage do not look odd.

For reference: XMP is 18-22-22-42-64 2t @ 3600 for your set.

You got a free boost in speed over the advertised settings. Good job! It's always nice to get more than you pay for.

M

thanks for staying lo long thread closed