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Raise minimum wage?

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Throckmorton said:
I don't think you get it. That's my point. If they have to be paid the same as citizens and residents, employers will have no reason to hire them, unless they just work harder.o
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You are one of the most oblivious people I've seen on these forums, and that's saying a lot. They won't be hired because when you raise the minimum wage it makes sense to use automation instead. Illegal or not, if a job can be done by a machine then you are 100% certain the job will be replaced by automation if you price your labor too high. There is no imperative for businesses to use persons rather than machines to do the same work, and there are very few unskilled jobs left that can't be automated (and getting fewer all the time, see the link below about the future of waiters being replaced by tech).

Honestly, this is why I don't give a shit about how high you set the min wage, the more it gets the faster you make yourself unemployed and unemployable - I hope you enjoy your tiny welfare check and government cheese.

http://www.slate.com/id/2291928/
 
glenn1 said:
You are one of the most oblivious people I've seen on these forums, and that's saying a lot. They won't be hired because when you raise the minimum wage it makes sense to use automation instead. Illegal or not, if a job can be done by a machine then you are 100% certain the job will be replaced by automation if you price your labor too high. There is no imperative for businesses to use persons rather than machines to do the same work, and there are very few unskilled jobs left that can't be automated (and getting fewer all the time, see the link below about the future of waiters being replaced by tech).

Honestly, this is why I don't give a shit about how high you set the min wage, the more it gets the faster you make yourself unemployed and unemployable - I hope you enjoy your tiny welfare check and government cheese.

http://www.slate.com/id/2291928/
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OK, let's just continue to compete with illegal immigrants making less than minimum wage because otherwise robots will pick tomatoes and build houses.
 
1981
Min Wage = $3.35
Avg Loaf of Bread = $.59
Avg Gallon Gas = $1.40
Dozen Grade A Eggs = $.90


2006
Min Wage = $5.15
Avg Loaf of Bread = $1.99
Avg Gallon Gas = $2.75
Dozen Grade A Eggs = $1.30

What's the point of just increasing it again? Are they going to raise it by 2%, same as CPI? :biggrin:
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Let's pay farm workers $20/hour to pick vegetables and see how fast no one can afford to buy said vegetables.
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Farm workers get 1.5 cents per pound of tomatoes. How much do you pay for a tomato at the grocery?

I've been trying to get you to understand how small a portion of the prices a consumer pays is from the labor.
 
well I just got back from getting my car hand washed. I could of gone to the automated machines but the clay bar and detail are done by hand.
 
Throckmorton said:
How expensive would jeans be if Americans made them instead of children in Chinese sweatshops?

$35 http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/jeans.htm
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No one is stopping you from buying goods made wherever and by whomever you like. You selecting such goods from "made in the U.S.A" companies might even mean that a handful of American workers have their jobs saved in the high-income and very prestigious field of textile assembly.

Heck, maybe you can be the vanguard of a new class of people who forgo automation to create a hiring boom here in U.S. for other similar growth industries. Just think, if you gave away your vacuum, you could hire a cleaning lady. Throw away your computer and hire a typist and transcriptionist. And maybe your furnace so we can get chimney sweepers back to work. All at an increased minimum wage of course.
 
YoungGun21 said:
Should we raise the minimum wage? I have seen a lot of people discussing an even further increase.

Personally, I think the minimum wage is what forced many companies to move operations to countries overseas.
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And match to the price of GAS? In 1970 gas was say about $0.35 per gallon, $2.50 minimum wage at the time, now with gas at $4.18= $29.85 minimum wage now?
 
glenn1 said:
No one is stopping you from buying goods made wherever and by whomever you like. You selecting such goods from "made in the U.S.A" companies might even mean that a handful of American workers have their jobs saved in the high-income and very prestigious field of textile assembly.

Heck, maybe you can be the vanguard of a new class of people who forgo automation to create a hiring boom here in U.S. for other similar growth industries. Just think, if you gave away your vacuum, you could hire a cleaning lady. Throw away your computer and hire a typist and transcriptionist. And maybe your furnace so we can get chimney sweepers back to work. All at an increased minimum wage of course.
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I have no idea what you're trying to say. Are you against buying American made goods for the same price as sweatshop goods that only give more profit to the CEOs and shareholders?
 
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