RAIDERS GOT F$CKED OVER!!!

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josphII

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<< NFL Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2

Note 2: When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.

Note 3: If the player loses possession of the ball while attempting to recock his arm, it is a fumble.

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its right there in black and white. its a fumble. anybody watch nfl gameday on espn? steve young and sterling sharpe both proclaim fumble. steve young was saying that he has asked refs what tuck means many times and they have told him that once a player has clear control of the ball, that constitutes a tuck. brady obviously had the ball in his control, not moving forward, rather downward, with both hands on the ball, with absolutely no intention of throwing. and the fact that brady is a qb is meaningless cause any player on the offense, with the exception of the o-line, can throw the ball. what if a wide reciever catches the ball but never touches the ball with his body, does that mean he didnt catch the ball because he never tucked it? of course not. brady pump faked, but thats meaningless, because he tucked the ball. you dont have too look at intention. the pump fake was over. his arm was not moving forward. he had complete control of the ball and he dropped it. thats why it was ruled a fumble on the field and not an incomlpete pass. it was a fumble.

witht hat said, yes, the raiders did play like losers in the 4th. they played not to lose instead of playing to win. gruden was way to conservative with his play calling. but the fact of the matter is the raiders lost, not because of play calling, but because of blown call by the refs. i like what tim brown said (im paraphrasing) "we all know the league has a vendetta against al davis. the players just hope that it doesnt show on the field"
 

BeauJangles

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Alright, i'm done making serious arguments with Oakland fanatics.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH consider the pats and Oakland even. 26 years ago was an equally bad call. Suck it up you pussies it happened to us to. And you went on to win a superbowl that year :| So basically, Pats win, Oakland sucks. HAHAHAHA
 

josphII

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<< Alright, i'm done making serious arguments with Oakland fanatics.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH consider the pats and Oakland even. 26 years ago was an equally bad call. Suck it up you pussies it happened to us to. And you went on to win a superbowl that year :| So basically, Pats win, Oakland sucks. HAHAHAHA
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ive seen that play and, in addition to roughing the passer, they should have called defenseive pass interferance. so no it hasnt happened to you
 

Red Dawn

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josphII, what do you hope to accomplis by arguing? I'm not so sure that even the Pat's fans disagree with you so much. The Raiders had their destiny in their hands 4 weeks ago and instead of playing like Champs they played like Chumps. You reap what you sow and last nights games is just reward for a team that fell flat on their faces when they should have been gathering momentum . You should be pissed at your team for playing like Nancy Boys. If they were worth a sh1t as a team the game would have been played in Oak Town, not the Frozen Tundra of BumFsck Foxborough
 

blues008

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The bottom line is that Oakland stopped playing after the call didn't got their way.

Regardless of the call, they had a fair chance to win the game in OT.

They gave up, and they are blaming the refs for it.

This isn't the first time a controversial call has happened. But it's pretty rare for one side to give up after it happens.
 
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heres what i say....it is only suppossed to be overturned if it is indissputable evidance....


we are argueing here...means it can be disputed....therefore its the wrong call
 

BeauJangles

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<<

<< Alright, i'm done making serious arguments with Oakland fanatics.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH consider the pats and Oakland even. 26 years ago was an equally bad call. Suck it up you pussies it happened to us to. And you went on to win a superbowl that year :| So basically, Pats win, Oakland sucks. HAHAHAHA
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ive seen that play and, in addition to roughing the passer, they should have called defenseive pass interferance. so no it hasnt happened to you
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Sorry, but no. Raiders got a bad call to go for them in that game. We get one in this game. Fair is fair. Stop whining.
 

Imported

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<< Regardless of the call, they had a fair chance to win the game in OT. >>



That reminds me, college OT is so much more fair than NFL.. I bet 70-80% of the teams that win the toss win the game in OT.

I'm a Raiders fan and it was a bad call, but I knew they'd get steamrolled by the Steelers.. I guess the Steelers will just run all over the Pats instead.
 

Dedpuhl

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<< it might go down as a loss but we all know who really won >>



Yep, we all know the Pats won the game. :)
 

moocat

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Doesn't matter anyway. The only team that has a chance to beat the Steelers is the Rams and visa versa. The other teams are just filler...including the Pack who had thier a$$es handed to them today thanks to 5 turnovers.
 

NakaNaka

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<< it might go down as a loss but we all know who really won >>

Yep, we all know the Pats won the game. :)
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Amen ... you can bitch all you want about a bad call, it wasnt a bad call its just a bad rule. And that doesn't take away the fact that Brady has one of the greatest QB performances in a long time, 39-59 in those conditions. An amazing OT drive to win it. And they still had to make the two FG's, not easy with a blizzard coming down in your face ....

But yea, no one is going to stop the Rams.