Josh is deceitful, twists facts and drags irrelevant arguments into these debates every single time he turns up and one, and frankly, I don't care if the mods ban for a week for saying that or not.
Point to these facts that I've twisted.
The links I've provided are to threads where real G80 owners have shared their distress and they've ranged from "clueless newbs with no clue how to properly build a highend system that suffer from PEBKAC" to XtremeSystem Moderators who know their fair share about piecing together great rigs. Even some of our own constructive Anandtech members have chimed in with their opinions regarding the G80's drivers and early problems.
The links
you've provided have been to
unrelated threads where you have accused me of being a ChrisRay impersonator. Furthermore, your posts not containing irrelevant thread links have instead contained irrelevant tangents that have done nothing but get the Mod's attention.
If you re-read the thread you will see that the "debate" originally began with you not thinking XP-Pro 64-bit should bother to be supported and that it wasn't a problem.
What Josh and others conveniently ignore that the complaints they love to focus on, here and in others forums form a miniscule minority of everything users write about G80.
I never said that the problems were universal. That was your selective reading.
Most have nothing but praise, and an understanding that the minor flaws that do exist will be fixed with time.
I think you need to understand something. I have been thinking about possibly getting a G80 since they arrived and I don't know about you, but I like to research what I buy before I buy it. There are two sources for the kind of information I need about the G80: Reviews and User discussion.
Reviews give a good knowledge base about it, describing its design and core structure, even dipping into possible overclocking performance. While they can give very detailed information it isn't in the degree that say a forum thread can be in since it is published to the net as a document presenting a polished table of information.
User discussion can give insight as to what may happen with practical use and how other games besides those found in a normal benchmark perform, thus other information besides that found in a review. They aren't typically designed to be as polished and presentable as a review and those commenting on the product are active in the discussion about it. Also, their answers can, depending on the user, be more case-specific whereas a review may try to be as broad as can be. I'm sure you yourself have used these two sources before buying a product, though, maybe not.
I was immediately interested in the G80's, particularly the 8800GTS overclockability. Once I saw the performance of the GTX, I thought about how much the trimming the GTS model took affected it. I even PMed a Mod suggesting the G80 overclocking thread be stickied for a while after the G80's came out--and for a while it was.
Yet after the first impressions wore off
--afterall, there were some heavy first impressions brought when we saw one GTX giving better performance than the previous SLI and CF setups
--I began to see what would happen if I were to hope for the best and expect the worst. Nothing is worse than being disappointed in a product that you pay good money for.
So I started to search around the forums, looking at what multiple sites have said about the G80 and it didn't take long for me to find information discussing what has gone wrong with some. Then upon looking at what areas reviews haven't paid attention to, to areas where forums have, I found out that there was both a unparalleled performance the G80 could give as well as an array of troubleshooting that was mostly due to rushed driver support.
After doing enough research to decide to wait myself before possibly getting a G80, I thought I would at least support why I hold the certain opinions that I do
--and you
can relax because they are just my opinions
--by showing
some of the threads that have made this impression on me. It is also starting to seem like others understand there are improvements to be made with the G80:
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So take my posts not as "some fanatic with an agenda" but as a consumer whose agenda was to find out as much about a product before making a purchase on it. I only hope you will understand the reasons for wanting to relay
both types of information, hence why I praise informative reviews such as Rage3D's as much as I do informative user discussions like those found in forum threads.
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