RAGE... Good, but really not awesome at all!

[Bman123]

Im serious. The game auto scales everything to make that 60fps marker.

Lol sorry for not taking you serious. Normally when you only have the min requirements you get no where near 60fps at decent settings.

 

[wuliheron]

so i played this game expecting it to be a massive shitstorm from all the stuff i've read online... and surprisingly i enjoyed the hell out of it. I really got into the idea of gearing out my car, doing quests, collecting bounty, scavenging for magic cards etc.

but right as the game started to hit it's stride... and seemed like it was going somewhere... it just ended. with a video.

if the game would have been about twice as long and had a better ending i would have given it a very very good rating. even though it felt like they were throwing everything they possibly could at you with this game... all of those elements felt very polished and well done. none of them really seemed like they were extra filler thrown in at the last minute.

Yeah, I think Rage wins the award for the most misunderstood and controversial game of the decade. As if having a radically different graphics engine and unique mixture of game dynamics wasn't enough of a handicap Id screwed the pooch releasing it with horrible drivers. I'm sure gamers will eventually get used to the new type of graphics engine, but id better do some damage control with Doom 4 and make sure the drivers work and include more options in the PC graphics settings.

It wouldn't hurt if Bethesda's marketing department targeted their audience better too and gave people a better idea of what the game is all about.

 

[wuliheron]

Lol sorry for not taking you serious. Normally when you only have the min requirements you get no where near 60fps at decent settings.

He's right. The game reduces the resolution of the textures on the fly if necessary to maintain a constant 60fps. Its so good at scaling to different systems that you can play a version on an iPhone and it still looks pretty much the same.

I'm not sure about your specific graphics card, but its possible to have an Nvidia cuda capable card do a lot of the work that would otherwise be done by the cpu. The game can play quite well on even a wimpy dual core cpu with the right graphics card. For more information I'd check out the Bethesda website:

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/forum/175-pc/

 

[Bman123]

It would be my rig in Sig, I only play at 1280x720. It's not a beast machine by no means but it plays mw3, new Vegas maxxed out above 30fps with full AA and AF

 

[JSt0rm]

They just need to release a 100gb texture pack for those who give a shit. This will be the halo effect and it will look amazing.

I'm sure nvidia and ati would sponsor those downloads as it would crush most cards and people would be running out and buying new cards left and right to see the omgwtf is this.

 

[wuliheron]

They just need to release a 100gb texture pack for those who give a shit. This will be the halo effect and it will look amazing.

I'm sure nvidia and ati would sponsor those downloads as it would crush most cards and people would be running out and buying new cards left and right to see the omgwtf is this.

I'm not sure it would look all that much better, but there's no reason it can't be put on a DVD along with the DLCs they are planning.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm not sure it would look all that much better, but there's no reason it can't be put on a DVD along with the DLCs they are planning.

100gb on a dvd? No. It can only be downloaded. The shit crap textures are 20gb.

 

[JSt0rm]

oh and it would look a lot better. Aside from the retardation that is pipes drawn on walls (those may actually be from where someone pulled the pipes off and it left that mark on the wall) higher textures would look amazing on the correct rig.

I cranked the game on max via tweaks and sitting still not to close to anything it really looks amazing. The moment you move towards something it turns into 1998.

 

[Bman123]

I just watched a YouTube video and it was horrible, ill look up the link in my history and edit this post with the link
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?deskto...e.com/watch?v=c5oEdfT4OWY&v=c5oEdfT4OWY&gl=US

 

[marmasatt]

Funny. I just finished. Rage is the best game I've played in years. Different strokes I guess. My expectations were pretty high too. I wanted to like Fallout 3 but I always felt like I was playing dungeons and dragons. For Rage, I wanted a somewhat open-world shooter with an apocalyptic environment. That's pretty much what I got. On a 55" Plasma, the graphics were amazing IMO...

 

[wuliheron]

100gb on a dvd? No. It can only be downloaded. The shit crap textures are 20gb.

Id was originally considering releasing it on bluray and I've seen bluray players for as little as $26.oo recently. At 50gb each that's two disks.

Carmack is working on interpolation routines for the next patch that will make some of the worst textures look slightly better, but I'm afraid low resolution textures are the Achilles heal of the technology. Its likely to be a long up hill climb similar to attempts to deal with aliasing and he's been investigating third party compression routines.

 

[silvan4now]

the title of this topic says my opinion at fully

 

[JSt0rm]

Id was originally considering releasing it on bluray and I've seen bluray players for as little as $26.oo recently. At 50gb each that's two disks.

Carmack is working on interpolation routines for the next patch that will make some of the worst textures look slightly better, but I'm afraid low resolution textures are the Achilles heal of the technology. Its likely to be a long up hill climb similar to attempts to deal with aliasing and he's been investigating third party compression routines.

Well yes you could on bluray but the bluray adoption on the pc is pretty meh.

I agree with you though. This technology is amazing but the lack of high quality textures coupled with the amount of time spent making art assets make it highly unlikely to be used normally.

The main problem with making game that look like real life is the amazing amount of detail that exists within and the time ($) it takes to recreate that.

I think the future of highly realistic expansive gaming will come in the form of minecraft. While those graphics are lol worthy and endearing at the same time the fact that the worlds are created in realtime is amazing. We need this style of technology.

 

[wuliheron]

Well yes you could on bluray but the bluray adoption on the pc is pretty meh.

I agree with you though. This technology is amazing but the lack of high quality textures coupled with the amount of time spent making art assets make it highly unlikely to be used normally.

The main problem with making game that look like real life is the amazing amount of detail that exists within and the time ($) it takes to recreate that.

I think the future of highly realistic expansive gaming will come in the form of minecraft. While those graphics are lol worthy and endearing at the same time the fact that the worlds are created in realtime is amazing. We need this style of technology.

From what I understand its the exact opposite situation. Rage cost about 27 million dollars to produce, while your average AAA title costs about 40-50 million and a few games cost over 100 million. The engine was specifically designed to make it easy for the artists to do their thing without worrying about texture budgets or other concerns and to make it easy to port whatever they draw to any system. Id's future plans are to produce a new game using the same engine every 2-3 years.

Likewise, as I already stated, id is not alone in pursuing this technology and it concerns not only the future of games, but computing in general. What Rage is leading up to is ray cast geometry just as Doom eventually led to the first fully 3D engine, Quake. Some people may find the compromises required to get there unacceptable, but there can be no doubt that adding at least some ray cast geometry and other technologies like sparce voxel octrees to games is the future. Rasterization can only do so much and computers are rapidly becoming capable of so much more.

 

[Childs]

Well yes you could on bluray but the bluray adoption on the pc is pretty meh.

I would think the people complaining about crap textures also have at least a blu ray rom drive. They should just use bittorrent, as I will not spend a penny more on this game.

 

[Bman123]

What's with the texture loading issues in this game? Is that video I linked how the game is on certain video cards or is it always like that?

 

[skace]

I disagree on many of the issues present in the thread. How odd. I played Rage start-to-finish, one of the few games I've done that with recently. The reasons why it held my attention are sadly not present in this thread - as if unnoticed by other players.

I will say this:
- I felt the stores execution could have been better, there simply wasn't enough ways of controlling your flow of cash, it didn't feel like you could grind cash and acquire it (bandit cleanup didn't give enough, tv show gave too much for the risk involved)
- Linearity was definitely a concern at certain points or, alternately, the world they created simply did not have enough points of interest. This ultimately explains the racing because without the racing element you would have long stretches of, while very pretty, ultimately barren and useless landscape.
- The end of the game was its weakest point. Not so much the ending cinematic, which was cool, but the fact that they decided not to have a boss as completely awesome as the Dead City one. Part of the issue is that they showed what was possible and it was tons of fun, and then they refused to deliver it again.

I'm extremely interested to see what they do with Rage 2. Carmack should be handling minor tweaking while the team handles tons of content and maybe the relationship with Bethesda helps at that point as well.

 

[Bman123]

How bad is the texture loading in this game? Is it anything like thr video i linked or is that a rare case? I Wong buy this game til I know about that, its the only thing holding me back from getting it...

 

[Anteaus]

DVD took forever to adopt also. Once you see bluray drives replace dvd on even the cheapest machines then you will see a rapid shift to blu-ray media for storage. My guess is that by then average internet speeds will have improved to such a level that it will rival blu-ray transfer speeds, therefore they might go pure online by then, even with consoles.

 

[ibex333]

update posted...

 

[cmdrdredd]

I agree but I will say this

Id has the best art direction in the industry. The art assets in rage are the best I have seen to date and I can't discount that aspect. I think the problem with the game isn't carmacks crew but carmacks intelligence. I think carmacks said "ok, I need to make a console game. How can I make the best looking console game."

And then he set out down a path for 6 years doing just that. The consoles give him direct access to memory that doesn't happen on the pc and I think his genius moment was to say aha! Let's stream in the textures and create a entire world that is different.

That's really amazing however in execution it was fucking retarded. I think the whole thing is just a big mental exercise for carmack.

Except Battlefield 3 came out and Woops... Rage doesn't look so hot lol

 

[cmdrdredd]

Do you know what a concept artists is? Why would the overall design and color have anything to do with what you are talking about? The assets are made at the highest level. If you had a coffee table book at the highest resolution of the art of rage vs say the art of fallout 3 what book would you look at?

The art of Legend of Zelda! Oh wait...you have a point though., I threw in the zelda reference for oomph. People bag on the Wii for no HD, but Zelda has some killer art design.

Funny. I just finished. Rage is the best game I've played in years. Different strokes I guess. My expectations were pretty high too. I wanted to like Fallout 3 but I always felt like I was playing dungeons and dragons. For Rage, I wanted a somewhat open-world shooter with an apocalyptic environment. That's pretty much what I got. On a 55" Plasma, the graphics were amazing IMO...

It was good but I have played better games recently. Granted I'm including console games as well, but I did enjoy Dragon Age and Mass Effect quite a bit on PC. Anyhoo...I always think of Fallout 3 as Oblivion with Guns. For some reason I can't get the right feel of the game, always off somehow.

 

[dust]

Played it twice. I doubt I'll play it a third time even at a later time. I rushed through it the first time and turned every stone during the second playthrough. As soon as I finished the first time though, I felt urged to play Borderlands, but decided to go for a second run instead.

I did come back to Borderlands after that and, it felt really ugly compared to Rage. While to graphics are not amazing for Rage, they're definitely better than Borderlands'.

I thought that Rage was short and a bit unsubstantiated, they could probably add some more content, maybe add some Star Wars sand people like in the outer areas. It got really boring driving for a living too. The last level was a huge joke on us, I really didn't get the point of the last plasma gun, I was waiting for some serious stuff ahead and kept adding the ammo until I finished the game without firing it once even. Arena was ok, a later DLC with some enforcers might be of interest. And much less racing please. If i want to drive I'll get Dirt or F1.

 

[Mr. President]

I couldn't disagree more, myself. I thought the game was great (barring the lackluster ending) and it's probably my favorite FPS in years.

As a case in point, I followed Rage by playing Uncharted 2 and I honestly had more fun playing Rage. It was obviously no match in terms of storyline or characters but the actual shootouts were genuinely fun rather than the repetitive chores that they became in Uncharted.

 

[wuliheron]

How bad is the texture loading in this game? Is it anything like thr video i linked or is that a rare case? I Wong buy this game til I know about that, its the only thing holding me back from getting it...

Texture loading is only a problem for some people because of the drivers.

The engine normally struggles to load textures if you turn around fast. Then you'll see what people call "texture popping" where the textures for objects at the leading edge of the screen "pop" into existence. Otherwise its not noticeable unless the drivers just happen to suck for you computer.