Praxis1452
Platinum Member
yes surely it'll take as much as a refigerator. Now get out.
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Radeon X1950 XTX gets new cooler
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schneiderguy
Lifer
i didnt mean it'll LITERALLY take as much power as a refrigerator 😕
beggerking
Golden Member
and why would it be impressive? because it will cost less.
beggerking
Golden Member
you can say or think whatever you would like, but with this quote
"Two ATI cores giving four NV cores a run for its money? Sounds pretty fast to me."
he is comparing value vs performance. If not, this would be a false statement because the loser out of a pure performance benchmark cannot be "impressive".
nitromullet
Diamond Member
No, that's not what he is saying at all. He's saying it would be impressive if the performance was close because the quad-SLI rig has a total of four gpu's and the Crossfire rig would only have two.
read it again:
Justin343563611
Member
So what are the specs supposed to be on this thing? How many shaders bla what are the clocks?
It's not that you provided evidence from the same site that made him say that. It was the way in which you concentrated and cut out one quote that, when presented by itself, had a different context to it than the article as a whole. The GDDR4 was what they were meaning would be 7% faster, not the card as a whole. If it is going to be competeing against a 7950GX2, and the 7950 is I believe more than 7% faster in most games, they would need to do better than 7% I would think.
otispunkmeyer
Lifer
far as im concerned the 1950 is barely worht a look. same core speed, new cooler and some fancy memory thats about it.
Wreckage
Banned
Actually I copied the entire sub-title over so that nothing was taken out of context. The article does not attribute the 7% increase to the memory, in fact it was just a broad (pulled outta their butt) statement. In fact the article was clearly written by someone with poor english skills.
Although the X1950 may not compete well against the 7950 in performance and it may not even try. It may be cheaper for ATI to produce and less expensive than the 7950. However it should be better than the 7900GTX and that will hopefully bring the price of that down as well. Then the G80 will come out and screw everything up, until the R600 show's up and then Vista crashes and everyone gives up and buys a Matrox triple head.
LittleNemoNES
Diamond Member
All aboard the train out of troll city. Next stop: Nvidia fanboy orgy
Elfear
Diamond Member
We've already gone over this in another thread but just for fun let's crunch some numbers.
Let's assume that power requirements scale linearly with speed (I know they generally don't but the difference would be small). If the X1950XTX is 7% faster than an X1900XTX than power output under load will be 7% higher.
An X1900XTX draws ~27 more watts at load than a GX2. So we'll add 7% to that to get ~29W more than the GX2 (again that will be slightly off since I'm adding 7% to the difference between the two cards and not the total draw of the card itself but it will be close enough for this comparison).
So 29Wx2 for two X1950XTXs will come out to 58W. Let?s say that you game for 2 hours every day of the month. That will come out to an extra 3480W per month in power consumption over a pair of GX2s. With the cost of electricity at $0.1031 per kilowatthour you?re looking at a whopping $0.3588 extra per month. Even if we double that amount to take into account the approximations I made, it's still only about 70 cents extra a month. That?s a pretty convincing sum of money.
Funny thing is, if you look at power consumption at idle from the first link, the GX2 consumes 17W more than the X1900XTX. So if you include 2 hours per day of the computer being on in a non-gaming situation, you're looking at basically halving the monstrous sum of $0.3588.
As far as heat goes, 58W really isn't that big of a deal. It's like turning on a 60W bulb behind your rig (that is if the new cooler is really like an Arctic Cooler unit).
News flash: ATi and NV release "speed bump" cards all the time, typically about 6 months after the release of a new card. Even if the 7% is true, its probably about average for such a card.
GF2, GF2 Pro, then GF2U. GF3, then GF3 Ti. 5900U, then 5950U. 9700 Pro, 9800 Pro, 9800XT. X800XT, X800XT/PE, etc. Both companies do it, have done it, and will continue to do it. Complaing about such a bump is pretty funny to me. Complaining about a speed increase, a better cooler, and much faster ram, is even funnier. Of course, the mains ones who do that, are staunch NV supporters, and dont buy highend cards anyways...
Its also funny that because ATi seems to be releasing another card, that they are not focusing on the R600. Thats just ignorant thinking. They've been doing it for years.
GF2, GF2 Pro, then GF2U. GF3, then GF3 Ti. 5900U, then 5950U. 9700 Pro, 9800 Pro, 9800XT. X800XT, X800XT/PE, etc. Both companies do it, have done it, and will continue to do it. Complaing about such a bump is pretty funny to me. Complaining about a speed increase, a better cooler, and much faster ram, is even funnier. Of course, the mains ones who do that, are staunch NV supporters, and dont buy highend cards anyways...
Its also funny that because ATi seems to be releasing another card, that they are not focusing on the R600. Thats just ignorant thinking. They've been doing it for years.
schneiderguy
Lifer
wasnt one of the reasons that the 7800's came out so far ahead of the x1800's was because nvidia didnt do a refresh on the 6800's and had more resources to work on the 7800's? or was the delay because of the problems with the 90nm process ATI was having?
Praxis1452
Platinum Member
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=3446
look at it... it's ugly as hell but I think it'll perform better atleast..
look at it... it's ugly as hell but I think it'll perform better atleast..
The delay for the X1800's was due to a 3rd party IP defect. At stated by AT, from ATi. It was not ATi's fault, but they got all the blame from most forum readers. I assure you NV and ATi both still work on the next card, while putting out a refresh. They have different departments.
edit, and I like that cooler. It exhaust all the air out of the case, as all highend coolers should do I think.
darkswordsman17
Lifer
Yeah, its not the greatest looking, but it should cool very well, and hopefully be a lot quieter. Looks like they got Arctic Cooling to design it for them. Hmm, is that a heatpipe I can barely see on the opt edge? That thing is a behemoth, looks like all copper and look how far the fins extend.
darkswordsman17
Lifer
Yeah, me too. Definitely has a heatpipe, you can see part of it on the closer side.
Looks like the memory sinks aren't connected to the main core sink like on the Silencers, so I'm guessing it has cutouts underneath the fan to give them and the voltage sink some air.
Hmm, looks like the memory sinks probably are connected. Comparing it to the HIS IceQ3 HSF, it looks like the shroud is bigger, possibly a bigger fan, and the main heatsink fins appear to extend further towards the end/vent/opening.
schneiderguy
Lifer
where did i say anything about processors? great, your prescott idles at 90c, i dont care 😕 i was taking about graphics cards...
Praxis1452
Platinum Member
that transistors and the amount do not directly correlate with heat.
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