Radeon team chooses Kabylake over Ryzen

[formulav8]

So why didn't AMD use it?

Its already been mentioned. It was to show the most popularly known best gaming CPU (Some people would even call foul with AMD using their own CPU, maybe even you) and to show Vega in the best possible light. What's so hard to understand? Most in the know, knows the 7700k is at this time the best overall gaming CPU.

Why would RTG Not use the best gaming CPU for their promotions to show their GPU in the best light possible?

 

[scannall]

Well, it is kind of ironic, considering all

I seriously doubt AMD is concerned about the scientific method. They are trying to sell products. Thus they want to get the best performance possible. At least by using a 7700k they show the gpu in the best light possible. Using a slower Ryzen cpu would cast a bad light on both the cpu and gpu. Personally I find it hilarious that after all the hype in these forums about how well threaded games are becoming, how great ryzen is in a certain multiplayer game, and the FUD spread about the 7700k because it is only a quad core, that AMD themselves chooses it for a gaming demo.

I can't speak for everyone else, but Ryzen or Threadripper is better for my uses. If your only use is 1080 gaming, then 7700k and be done with it. Gaming for me is secondary, and the gaming I do is at 4k. For MY uses the 7700K doesn't cut it. But hey, everyone has different needs and uses. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[aigomorla]

Its amazing how strong the AMD fanism has gotten lately.

Just reading you guys trying to defend AMD and accepting there BS is absolutely halarious.

1. Show off Vega.... you can easily do that with a Ryzen CPU. Just put a 1080Ti on a Ryzen... run benchmarks... then put a Vega on SAME test bed and run benchmarks.... and there, you got your nice comparison.

If Vega does better, then obviously people will buy Vega.
If Vega does worse, then people will get a 1080ti.

2. Swap to an intel processor because its popular and more people are using it..
ROFL... please, give me a break... yeah go ahead, use the intel processor, show it off and completely cripple the any limelight the R5, R6, and R7 has.
Why not just tell gamers dont buy our CPU buy INTEL, becuase more people have it, and they work better with our GPU hence why we are using it....
(this is how a non Red camp seated Fanism person thinks)

They don't think "oh because more people use it is fine....

So please, you guys really need to kill your fanism when discussing realistically....
This is a stupid move from Team Radeon anyway you look at it, and only chalks up a victory for Intel.


And again, the idiots at Team Radeon still do not realize probaly less then10% of these gpu's will actually goto gamers.
They will all mostly go to hoarding BITCOIN Miners like how the R580's are.

So what is the point in showing it off in a "Platform where most gamers are" when most gamers will not be able to get there hands on it, and just cripple future Ryzen Sales to future gamers.

 

[IEC]

From AMD's official Twitter account:

Marketing highlighting both wins AND losses? Blasphemy! Bring the pitchforks and torches!

 

[Bryf50]

This whole thread is ridiculous. Based on the 7 million reviews out there for the 7700k and Ryzen we all know exactly where these CPU stand. Why are we trying to draw conclusions based on the test bed RTG used to benchmark their GPU.

It's not some revelation that the 7700K is faster in gaming. And no AMD isn't going to lose CPU sales from the fine print of a GPU marketing slide.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

This whole thread is ridiculous. Based on the 7 million reviews out there for the 7700k and Ryzen we all know exactly where these CPU stand. Why are we trying to draw conclusions based on the test bed RTG used to benchmark their GPU.

It's not some revelation that the 7700K is faster in gaming. And no AMD isn't going to lose CPU sales from the fine print of a GPU marketing slide.

Exactly.

I also don't understand the talk about mining; what does a test bed's CPU have to do with mining? Are they supposed to market to miners instead? I suppose then they'd be pairing it with a five year old Celeron.

 

[GaiaHunter]

The choices:

a) Test Vega and NVIDIA with Ryzen;
b) Test Vega and NVIDIA with Intel;
c) Test Vega with Ryzen and NVIDIA witth Intel;
d) Test Vega with Intel and NVIDIA with Ryzen.

Option D is ridiculous.

Option C is not apples to apples and if Vega was doing better than expected people would complain about Ryzen+Vega "magic".

Option A is apples to apples but if Vega was doing better than expected and/or NVIDIA was doing worse than expected people would complain about Ryzen+Vega "magic" and/or NVIDIA drivers are optimised for Intel architecture atm.

Option B is the only choice.

No one is going to refuse to buy Ryzen because AMD tested Vega with an i7 7700K.

 

[guskline]

This thread does NOT surprise me. I took the time to e-mail AMD directly as to why they were using the 5960x at the time to bench a Vega but received no response.

What I find sad but perhaps true is that AMD's cpu division is finally on solid ground with Ryzen and now Threadripper (and EPYC) and is within "spitting" distance of Intel's performance crown and is actually beating it on a price to performance basis, while the RTG division appears to be languishing behind without a clue.

If Threadripper was NOT being released right now AMD RTG would probably be running for cover with only the Vega release.

I think the TR release is "sucking" most of the journalistic energy out of the reviewing sector and "helping" the RTG division to slip by with the Vega release. AMD/RTG better hope Nvidia doesn't release a consumer Volta anytime soon.

Intel appears to be a bit on it's heels in the cpu division with Ryzen/TR/EPYC out there slugging it out while Nvidia is standing by waiting for the referee to resume the fight while RTG seems to be taking a 10 count.

 

[b-mac]

I generally find the people that cry "fanboys" or complain about "fanism" are just projecting.

Of course they are going to use the fastest gaming GPU available, they need to show Vega in the best possible light since it seems underwhelming from what we've seen. Glad the intel crew could pop in here and pat each other on the back though. Hope everyone e feels better!

 

[DaQuteness]

I swear every time I come back to this forum I see this spit-fight between AMD and Intel camps, and agnostic members trying to make peace and reason of everything, while there's a massive fight for bragging rights backed by a subjective collection of benchmarks.

I do have to agree with some guys here in the sense that yes, 7700k seems to be the common denominator at the moment. Why not serve the most common test-bench numbers if this is the language gamers speak? Why go all AMD on their bench, just to come accross as biased?. I am a bit miffed that AMD didn't do the AMD/Nvidia on AMD and AMD/Nvidia on Intel switcheroo...Would have been essential information in my mind. There are people that WILL criticise no matter what. There is no pleasing the internet so go ahead and do what you think is best because there's always someone to bitch about it.

Ryzen 7, TR and 7700k are NOT THE SAME CLASSES of cpu, 7700k is indeed for gamers, Ryzen and TR are for content creators who also game a lot. Hold your drools, calm down, 7700k is the choice if gaming is the only requirement, why call this a point for Intel when really the Ryzen series aims at content creators? The equivalent to 7700K is Ryzen 5, which they know just as well is slower, so why go with that? Ok, Ryzen 3 and 5 are only in the game because of the price point, agreed on that, better cost-perf ratio compared to intel. Performance only? So little significant difference that your over-expanded enthusiast egoes won't tell the difference in a blind test, that's just how close they all are.

Take a look at the unigine leaderboard for instance... Superposition benches: 99.9% Intel... 41st place - 1800x + EVGA 1080ti, I've landed at 205 with my 1700 and FTW3 and I'm not done benching yet Yay! - I digress though.

Anyway, that's my two cents on this matter that seems to be dancing around, feel free to mock my unbiased post just like I've seen others be disregarded before it.

 

[rbk123]

and that is exactly why people are ranting.
Its one thing when a review site uses its own set of hardware, but when the actual team which represents the company uses a competitors brand, its down right insulting.

again we have said SO WHAT if you get those extra little frame rates.

The real issue is the psychological message it represents.
It clearly represents : "Intel is Greater then AMD"

This is why a lot of us are angry and pissed at Team Radeon.
Because of Numbers which are pointless, cuz it wont last or help the company at all, they are straight up gimping future CPU sales.

Please spare us your emotional drama. As usual you continute to read far more into something and then when people aren't hopping onboard your emotion-train, you pull out the tired "fanboi" name-calling schtick. Find a new hobby if CPU performance causes you such emotional distress.

 

[coercitiv]

 

[DaQuteness]

I'd say that puts a very compelling nail into the blue-team coffin =))

 

[Zucker2k]

Lol. Nvidia taking a dig at VEGA.

Edit: Why did AMD instruct reviewers to not test Threadripper with VEGA? Hmmm

 

[Erithan13]

Option C is not apples to apples and if Vega was doing better than expected people would complain about Ryzen+Vega "magic".

I'm completely burned out from all the recent Vega drama but this is a good point that I've seen discussed elsewhere. If they tested with Ryzen + Vega we would have a thread running rampant with speculation that AMD is hiding something, they're planning to gimp Vega performance when used with Intel, they must think Ryzen is better than 7700k for gaming etc.

It is pretty much unanimous even in some of the most pro-AMD places I visit that the 7700k is the gaming king and will likely remain so for a while. Acknowledging that and using it for a Vega test shouldn't be some sort of sacrilege.

 

[philosofool]

They're just doing this so that they can maximize talk of the superiority of Vega. They don't want to say "24% faster," they want to say "27% faster".

 

[aigomorla]

Please spare us your emotional drama. As usual you continute to read far more into something and then when people aren't hopping onboard your emotion-train, you pull out the tired "fanboi" name-calling schtick. Find a new hobby if CPU performance causes you such emotional distress.

ROFL
My soap box is made from adamantium, so its nearly indestructible.
And yes i am saying we have a lot of AMD Fan pride lately, which is getting really tiring, and quite honestly sick.

Infact some of us have been accused of supporting AMD too much, so i guess this is my statement to everyone that WE ARE NEUTRAL.

And cause me emotional distress? Nah.... im like the energizer bunny i can keep going and going while keeping civil and being neutral at it, hence why the bosses here made me a Mod.

I'd say that puts a very compelling nail into the blue-team coffin =))

lol... go nvidia!
Show them that TR is a hell of a gaming machine, and we dont need to spend 2000 dolllars to have moar cores and moar FPS!

Lol. Nvidia taking a dig at VEGA.

Edit: Why did AMD instruct reviewers to not test Threadripper with VEGA? Hmmm

^ lol..... this is why ive been standing on my soap box with a mega phone...

 

[Zucker2k]

I'm completely burned out from all the recent Vega drama but this is a good point that I've seen discussed elsewhere. If they tested with Ryzen + Vega we would have a thread running rampant with speculation that AMD is hiding something, they're planning to gimp Vega performance when used with Intel, they must think Ryzen is better than 7700k for gaming etc.

It is pretty much unanimous even in some of the most pro-AMD places I visit that the 7700k is the gaming king and will likely remain so for a while. Acknowledging that and using it for a Vega test shouldn't be some sort of sacrilege.

No, acknowledgement from AMD is enough. The irony, though, is that some fans on this forum are still in denial about the fact.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The choices:

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No one is going to refuse to buy Ryzen because AMD tested Vega with an i7 7700K.

And you know this how? You somehow know the thought process of every cpu buyer in the market? It would seem to me only logical if one were trying to decide between the two, it might have, you know, just a tiny bit of influence that the maker of Ryzen actually used a competitor's chip for their gaming tests.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

And you know this how? You somehow know the thought process of every cpu buyer in the market? It would seem to me only logical if one were trying to decide between the two, it might have, you know, just a tiny bit of influence that the maker of Ryzen actually used a competitor's chip for their gaming tests.

Indeed, I too base my purchasing decision on footnotes from marketing slides for other products. Because who has time for reviews?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Indeed, I too base my purchasing decision on footnotes from marketing slides for other products. Because who has time for reviews?

The point is one poster cannot speak for everyone who might buy a cpu. He can only speak for himself. Or maybe you guys are are clairvoyant. If so please send along some stock tips.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

The point is one poster cannot speak for everyone who might buy a cpu. He can only speak for himself. Or maybe you guys are are clairvoyant. If so please send along some stock tips.

Indeed, we must respect the opinions of everyone. Even those that use augury to determine their CPU choice.

EDIT: Honestly, anyone silly enough to make decisions based on the footnote in some slide over everything else will probably be silly enough to put the thermal paste on the wrong side of the CPU.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Indeed, we must respect the opinions of everyone. Even those that use augury to determine their CPU choice.

EDIT: Honestly, anyone silly enough to make decisions based on the footnote in some slide over everything else will probably be silly enough to put the thermal paste on the wrong side of the CPU.

It is more than a footnote on a slide. It is a decision by AMD itself that intel makes the best gaming cpu. You must live close to that river de NIle.

 

[philosofool]

It is more than a footnote on a slide. It is a decision by AMD itself that intel makes the best gaming cpu. You must live close to that river de NIle.

My wallet is in denial when it comes to $350 CPUs for gaming. I'll take an R3 1300x for $129 and spend the difference on my GPU, thanks.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

It is more than a footnote on a slide. It is a decision by AMD itself that intel makes the best gaming cpu. You must live close to that river de NIle.

No, I live close to the river Blatantly Obvious. Anyone who spends thirty seconds looking at reviews or even half-intelligent babbling on forums will be able to pick up '7700K if you care mostly about gaming, 1700 if you care mostly about encoding/streaming, either can do the other acceptably.' It's not rocket science.

AMD will lose as many sales from this footnote as they will from Intel saying their CPUs are glued together: None.