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Originally posted by: smthmlk
Originally posted by: ronnn
Ati (or whats left) likely regrets joining a sinking ship. Amd has survived before and may produce another winner.
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Well, I wonder how well ati was really doing & what their own outlook on their future products was when they shopped themselves around back then. Given what they've produced since the acquisition, I'd say they knew very hard times were ahead, and needed a shoulder to lean on.

Unfortunately for that shoulder...
Q4 06: $574m loss
Q1 07: $611m loss
Q2 07: $600m loss

~1.8b loss in 3 consecutive quarters. If barcelona isn't flawless and fast, amd is going to need their own shoulder to lean on.
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Oh crap. I didn't know they had another huge loss like that. Since AMD is only worth about 10 billion or so (I think) they only have about another 2 years if their losses continue like this. I don't believe this will continue like this though. Barcelona/R680/R700 better be stellar.
Good Luck AMD.
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If AMD hadn't bought ATI, do you think that those few senior hardware and software engineers would have still left ATI for Nvidia/IBM?
Cause and effect bud. If "blame" has to be placed somewhere, and it usually does, there is nothing wrong with blaming AMD. They're not gonna hate you for it. No worries. 🙂
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lol : ) You forget who you are talk to sometimes !

Anyways from experience i know that employee hate few things :! New boss and working for a place where everyone is scared to do anything. When i worked for a big company that shall remain nameless but you should know the company name keysplayr2003, the boss responsible for TV division for a company that shall remain nameless, was very strict. He got annoyed with any employee that came work late even few late , or browsing the web , or wearing not formal clothes. All his employee lived under huge fear. All the people he managed left after few months which was total chaos if you think about retraining a new person then seeing him leave because he couldn't handle the stress after being under fear because the boss was way to strict. He basically lost the company 35% of the market to another competitor since he had no experience staff that could channel operating or marketing effectively. Then one day he left to work for another company that paid him better.

Anyways problem with a lot major corporation is that alot of their division has really incompetent managers. Old manager can't change with the time and young manager are stuck between old ideas and new ideas. When you work for a division that relies on highly specialized people you really would be wanting a person that knows how to manage because, problem with company likes Nvidia and ATI, if they loose their hotshot programmer , hardware who basically leads the inexperience, they are screwed unless they have another person that can replace him. ATI lost many experienced Architectural Design and Engineering which takes one whole year to recover. In 2006 Nvidia had lost some iof their best driver software engineer because they weren't happy with working environment in Nvidia's Driver Division and they suffered too.

ATI doom faith saved Nvidia in reality in the eyes of stupid financial analyst that think Nvidia is now 3 to 4 times bigger than AMD and ATI combine . Sad bit is that can destroy and or stop a company from growing. Apple knows how to please the analyst while Microsoft don't know how.
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Originally posted by: Remedy
Originally posted by: Matt2
Maybe Nvidia should buy AMD?

If Nvidia bought AMD, wwould they gain AMD's x86 license?
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They already have one, IIRC.
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Interesting, I thought Nvidia didnt have one and that was what was stopping them from entering the CPU market?

Wasn't that the premise for people saying Nvidia would be in trouble a few years down the road when Intel and AMD started integrating CPU and GPU?

I dunno, I could be wrong.
 
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: Remedy
Originally posted by: Matt2
Maybe Nvidia should buy AMD?

If Nvidia bought AMD, wwould they gain AMD's x86 license?
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They already have one, IIRC.
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Interesting, I thought Nvidia didnt have one and that was what was stopping them from entering the CPU market?

Wasn't that the premise for people saying Nvidia would be in trouble a few years down the road when Intel and AMD started integrating CPU and GPU?

I dunno, I could be wrong.
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They were going to purchase Transmeta years back in order to use their IP technology as a "quick entry" (Cheap, no need to reinvent the wheel if they made the tire) into the market. But, realistically, it would cost nVidia more to enter a market that is already dominated by 3 major players. Intel, AMD, VIA. (Yes, VIA embedded processors get used a lot more often than enthusiast like to think).

There really isn't any goal for them in the x86 desktop market. On the other the hand, a processor with features like Code Morphing and LR2 along side a GPU (fusion type) processor will open doors in the console market for them. Media and Embedded processing is where the money is for nVidia. That's why they purchased Portal Player, ULI, TDFX. and other subsidy based companies.

I haven't seen them at ESC yet though.

JMHO.
 
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