Racism is.......

[Carfax83]

.....overrated..


Seriously, I'm tired of all the attention that racism gets in the media. Other forms of discrimination are FAR more prevalent than racism. Gender discrimination is the oldest and most ingrained form of discrimination, yet even that takes a backseat to racism.

Then there's the big daddy of them all, ethnic discrimination. Racism pales in comparison to ethnic discrimination as far as lives lost or affected, but racism is putatively regarded as the most unjust and immoral form of discrimination.

So the question is why is this so? Is it white guilt? Thats the only reason I can think of..

Yet even the slavery of Africans had no basis racism, at least not initially. Europeans used Africans as slaves not because they were black or of a different race, but because their culture and society were vastly inferior; which was due to being isolated. The African's tribal infrastructure, primitive culture and lack of Scientific knowledge caused the Europeans to view them as innately inferior which then gave rise to racism. In essence however, cultural discrimination was the true culprit which provided the impetus for racism against blacks to exist..

Does anyone truly believe that Europeans would have enslaved Africans, had the Africans been at a similar, or greater level of cultural and Scientific advancement as they?

I think not. Regardless of skin color or ethnicity, power and intellectual achievement are always respected. You saw this when apartheid South Africa granted the Japanese the title of "Honorary Whites" to facilitate trade. The advancement of the Japanese culture was such, that they could not but view them as equals.

So until Africans or blacks collectively evolve to a similar level of cultural advancement as Europeans, racism towards blacks will continue to exist.

So am I crazy to think such thoughts? And if anyone is curious, I am half black myself. :awe:

 

[Spungo]

But race is often (not always) a reliable indicator of culture. You don't look at a Korean man and wonder if he can speak ebonics. It's easy to look at race alone and make snap judgements when there's nothing else to go on. Cultural discrimination manifests itself as racism. People will assume you're part of "black culture" even when you're an upper class yuppy like Obama. Look at the dumb things racists say about Obama. They lump him in with ghetto culture even though he has never been lower class in his entire life. That is what real racism looks like. The real hatred is of lower class black people but they automatically throw Obama in that pile simply because he's black. Have you ever noticed that white racists become less racist once they meet black people and get to know them on a personal level? That goes the other way as well. A black person who never talks to white people might have a hard time shaking the belief that all white people are some kind of hive mind known as The Man.

Sexism works like that too. Women assume men are douchebags because most men really are douchebags. I don't hate men because they're men. I hate the douchebag culture that most men are part of. If I meet a guy, I'm going to assume he's part of that douchebag culture until proven otherwise. Dislike of douchebag culture manifests itself as sexism and I'm not afraid to admit it. I might seem cold at first but I'm really a nice person once I believe someone is not a douche.

 

[Carfax83]

But race is often (not always) a reliable indicator of culture. You don't look at a Korean man and wonder if he can speak ebonics.

Can you tell the difference between a Korean, a Japanese, and a Chinese with 100% accuracy? No you can't..

Physically they all share similar traits, but culturally, they are very distinct from one another. They speak different languages, practice various religions and have different beliefs and behavior..

Same thing with a French man, a German and an English man..

This is a large part of why I think culture is the greatest divisive force in humanity, because culture has a PROFOUND impact on your state of mind, and ultimately, it's our state of mind which truly differentiates ourselves from one another.

A black American has far more in common with a white American, than he does with a black African, even if he doesn't know it.

It's easy to look at race alone and make snap judgements when there's nothing else to go on. Cultural discrimination manifests itself as racism.

See, I think it's the opposite. I think racism came from cultural discrimination.. Race is really a very superficial and hard to define concept, because humans are 99.9% genetically identical.

But look at culture, and you see more dramatic differences between peoples..

People will assume you're part of "black culture" even when you're an upper class yuppy like Obama. Look at the dumb things racists say about Obama. They lump him in with ghetto culture even though he has never been lower class in his entire life. That is what real racism looks like.

It seems like you're supporting my point here by bringing up "black culture."

In my OP, I stated that the reason why Europeans viewed black Africans as inferior was due to their relatively primitive culture and rudimentary scientific knowledge.

That observation provided the impetus for Europeans to tar ALL black people as being inferior to them, and justify their enslavement.

The real hatred is of lower class black people but they automatically throw Obama in that pile simply because he's black.

On the surface they may believe this, but if they truly examine their thoughts, they'll find that the reason they hate lower class black people is because of their incongruent mental state..

Lower class blacks have a state of mind that most middle class white Americans would likely find repugnant, even if they weren't racist.

Have you ever noticed that white racists become less racist once they meet black people and get to know them on a personal level? That goes the other way as well. A black person who never talks to white people might have a hard time shaking the belief that all white people are some kind of hive mind known as The Man.

I've seen it go both ways. I've seen racists become more racist from talking or interacting with people of other races as well..

Sexism works like that too. Women assume men are douchebags because most men really are douchebags. I don't hate men because they're men. I hate the douchebag culture that most men are part of. If I meet a guy, I'm going to assume he's part of that douchebag culture until proven otherwise. Dislike of douchebag culture manifests itself as sexism and I'm not afraid to admit it. I might seem cold at first but I'm really a nice person once I believe someone is not a douche.

Yeah I know. Every man has met a woman that has gotten burned by one guy in the past, and used that one bad experience as a strong reference for all their subsequent dealings with men..

BTW, I'd be interested to hear how you came up with your screen name

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Boring.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Boring.

Oh, don't worry. The usual suspects will be along soon and the hate will be flying.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Just had a similar claim in a thread in the DC. Same response: who cares if it's "overrated"? Does it matter if something that's bad is less bad than something else, or less bad than it was before?

Much of the rest of your post seems like an effort to rationalize slavery, which calls your real motives here into question.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Racism is at once a problem and a useful tool to beat others with.

 

[SheHateMe]

Yea, and I thank white people everyday for their ancestors enslaving my ancestors, raping the women in my bloodline...mixing up our genepool, and then selling families apart.

So, I will never really be able to trace my family history. Already tried and I get nowhere. I did find so many "Mulatto" people in my family around the time slavery ended...isn't that a treat? I bet it wasn't because they were in love with someone white...because that would have been illegal and they would have been jail and/or killed. So, great, you get to be (part) white without consequence via rape! Thats cool, right?!

So um...yeah OP, what were you saying? Oh right, this happened because my ancestors weren't part of an advanced society like Europeans were back then.

Slavery was a good thing, I guess OP. Maybe I'm so smart because I have white people genes. :awe:

Regardless of skin color or ethnicity, power and intellectual achievement are always respected.

Keep lying to yourself. The antebellum south disagrees with you. I am sure, if you stop talking shit and pick up a book you will find the above statement to be untrue. There were many institutions setup by blacks (that are still around today) for blacks because they couldn't go to school with whites, they educated themselves and produced intelligent doctors, lawyers, inventors, public speakers who received NO respect from the white community. My grandfather was one of them, my great grandfather was one of them. My entire family comes from the South and I've heard enough stories about their upbringing to know that you're full of shit.

Your claim that Europeans back then weren't assholes to blacks because they were racist is stupid. You already said they felt the culture and the people to be inferior...add that to the fact that upon arrival in America, non-whites were considered LESS than a person and were not afforded the same rights as whites, you have the full picture. Europeans, whites, barbarians..whatever the hell you want to call them WERE racist back then.

 

[Spungo]

Yeah I know. Every man has met a woman that has gotten burned by one guy in the past, and used that one bad experience as a strong reference for all their subsequent dealings with men..

Not 1. Try like 200. Sit in a bar and see how many guys say some shit like "how would you like to ride some cock tonight?"

BTW, I'd be interested to hear how you came up with your screen name

It's from a Simpsons episode. They go to the superbowl and their tickets are rejected because "there's no such team as the Spungos and finally these seem to be printed on some sort of cracker"
Apparently it's a pretty common name since it's already taken on most forums.

 

[nehalem256]

Yea, and I thank white people everyday for their ancestors enslaving my ancestors, raping the women in my bloodline...mixing up our genepool, and then selling families apart.

So, I will never really be able to trace my family history. Already tried and I get nowhere. I did find so many "Mulatto" people in my family around the time slavery ended...isn't that a treat? I bet it wasn't because they were in love with someone white...because that would have been illegal and they would have been jail and/or killed. So, great, you get to be (part) white without consequence via rape! Thats cool, right?!

So um...yeah OP, what were you saying? Oh right, this happened because my ancestors weren't part of an advanced society like Europeans were back then.

Slavery was a good thing, I guess OP. Maybe I'm so smart because I have white people genes. :awe:

Damn those whities polluting your genepool

 

[FerrelGeek]

Not 1. Try like 200. Sit in a bar and see how many guys say some shit like "how would you like to ride some cock tonight?"

Ever hear the expression 'chicks dig jerks'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4jZN6PJs4

Or maybe you'll like this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCoDhrSAOY

How about this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEU_5lVjRFQ

You do know, don't you, that telling a guy he's 'a nice guy' is usually the kiss of death? Cuz it's usually followed up by 'but...'

Guys use those lines because they work. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them in any way; they're pigs. But in a lot of cases, they get what they want. They have no incentive to change.

 

[BoberFett]

Yea, and I thank white people everyday for their ancestors enslaving my ancestors, raping the women in my bloodline...mixing up our genepool, and then selling families apart.

Wait a sec...

White people did that?

You sound pretty racist, blaming all white people for slavery.

 

[Carfax83]

Boring.

Fuck off then ^_^

 

[SheHateMe]

Wait a sec...

White people did that?

You sound pretty racist, blaming all white people for slavery.

OK.

 

[Carfax83]

Just had a similar claim in a thread in the DC. Same response: who cares if it's "overrated"? Does it matter if something that's bad is less bad than something else, or less bad than it was before?

It matters, if the cause of racism is a lot more complicated than, "he has a different skin color than me so he must be inferior!"

Racism is not nearly as cut and dry as most people believe, and there are multiple factors behind why it came into existence..

Much of the rest of your post seems like an effort to rationalize slavery, which calls your real motives here into question.

You don't think an institution like slavery, something which practically every human culture participated in since Time immemorial, can be rationalized or understood?

 

[nehalem256]

Wait a sec...

White people did that?

You sound pretty racist, blaming all white people for slavery.

Also for polluting her genepool with their nasty white genes

 

[Murloc]

arabs enslaved both Europeans and Africans.
According to OP's logic, they have the superior culture.

 

[Carfax83]

Yea, and I thank white people everyday for their ancestors enslaving my ancestors, raping the women in my bloodline...mixing up our genepool, and then selling families apart.

And I bet those black African slavers are forgiven or forgotten for selling and trading your ancestors to those white people am I right?

So, I will never really be able to trace my family history. Already tried and I get nowhere. I did find so many "Mulatto" people in my family around the time slavery ended...isn't that a treat? I bet it wasn't because they were in love with someone white...because that would have been illegal and they would have been jail and/or killed. So, great, you get to be (part) white without consequence via rape! Thats cool, right?!

I find it amusing that an African American is complaining about having too much white blood in their ancestral line, because typically, African Americans act as though they are the blackest people on planet Earth and the sole arbiters of "blackness;" whatever the hell that is..

So um...yeah OP, what were you saying? Oh right, this happened because my ancestors weren't part of an advanced society like Europeans were back then.

Yes.. If the Africans had a similarly advanced level of civilization as the Europeans, they never would have been enslaved.

Slavery is the ultimate form of domination over another human being. You can't dominate someone, unless you think they are weaker than you are..

Slavery was a good thing, I guess OP. Maybe I'm so smart because I have white people genes. :awe:

Who said you're smart?

Keep lying to yourself. The antebellum south disagrees with you. I am sure, if you stop talking shit and pick up a book you will find the above statement to be untrue. There were many institutions setup by blacks (that are still around today) for blacks because they couldn't go to school with whites, they educated themselves and produced intelligent doctors, lawyers, inventors, public speakers who received NO respect from the white community. My grandfather was one of them, my great grandfather was one of them. My entire family comes from the South and I've heard enough stories about their upbringing to know that you're full of shit.

Were any of your black ancestors in Africa doctors, lawyers, inventors etc...?

You're not going back far enough. By the time Africans arrived in the new World, the damage had been done as Europeans had already decided that Africans were inferior and slavery was their natural condition..

How long did it take before Europeans disabused themselves from that notion? Not long really, considering how long slavery had been in existence.

Your claim that Europeans back then weren't assholes to blacks because they were racist is stupid.

Please read what I write SheHateMe, and don't put words in my mouth. I never claimed that "Europeans back then weren't assholes to blacks because they were racists," so I don't know where you're getting that from..

Actually, that sentence isn't even intelligible come to think of it

You already said they felt the culture and the people to be inferior...add that to the fact that upon arrival in America, non-whites were considered LESS than a person and were not afforded the same rights as whites, you have the full picture. Europeans, whites, barbarians..whatever the hell you want to call them WERE racist back then.

I never said they weren't racist. Racism obviously existed back then, only a fool would doubt that..

What I am saying, is that the CAUSE of their racism was far more complicated than just perceived physical differences..

 

[FerrelGeek]

Wait a sec...

White people did that?

You sound pretty racist, blaming all white people for slavery.

My ancestors were either not in this country, northerners, or southern abolitionists who actually helped shelter runaway slaves as part of the underground railroad.

404: Guilt Not Found

 

[Carfax83]

It's from a Simpsons episode. They go to the superbowl and their tickets are rejected because "there's no such team as the Spungos and finally these seem to be printed on some sort of cracker"
Apparently it's a pretty common name since it's already taken on most forums.

Ah, my curiosity has now been satisfied

 

[Genx87]

Wait a sec...

White people did that?

You sound pretty racist, blaming all white people for slavery.

I am curious if she holds as much blame towards africans, many black, who captured her ancestors and sold them to white slave traders.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yea, and I thank white people everyday for their ancestors enslaving my ancestors, raping the women in my bloodline...mixing up our genepool, and then selling families apart.

And it's time to get even. Only first I get my pound of flesh from both the whites and you, since a large part of my inheritance is Cherokee. GTF off my lawn, and I mean mine.

 

[SheHateMe]

I find it amusing that an African American is complaining about having too much white blood in their ancestral line, because typically, African Americans act as though they are the blackest people on planet Earth and the sole arbiters of "blackness;" whatever the hell that is..

What the hell are you talking about?

And it's time to get even. Only first I get my pound of flesh from both the whites and you, since a large part of my inheritance is Cherokee. GTF off my lawn, and I mean mine.

I don't care about getting even. Whats done was done before I was even though of, I cannot change the past...but I'd be dumb not to acknowledge that whites had a huge part in the racial makeup of my family, it would be dumb to ignore the fact that my last name came from a white family, etc.

Saying slavery is overrated is like saying history is overrated.

 

[Svnla]

Who said you're smart?



Please read what I write SheHateMe, and don't put words in my mouth. I never claimed that "Europeans back then weren't assholes to blacks because they were racists," so I don't know where you're getting that from..

Actually, that sentence isn't even intelligible come to think of it

..

1) Ouch, that gotta hurts.

2. You are not the first one or only one. I received many of "put words in my mouth" crap. Heck, I had been accused of sending vile and racist PMs which never exist or calling ALL black females names and so on. Amazing eh? :awe:

 

[Carfax83]

arabs enslaved both Europeans and Africans.
According to OP's logic, they have the superior culture.

During the dark ages, the Arabs did have a superior culture to the Europeans..