Racism in modern America

[Kaido]

There really isn't a whole lot you can do about centuries of hate.

I'd imagine it's the same situation with Israel vs. Palestine, fighting over the same patch of land for a zillion years - just centuries of hate built up to the point where it's a given in people's minds & they don't question it at this point. And the rest of the world looks on and wonders what all the fuss is about...

 

[Kaido]

Maybe this one from Forbes - Aug 2013?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikemyatt/2013/08/13/infographic-dna-of-fortune-100-ceos/#595a243f7fbd

Nope, that wasn't it (it was more about facial recognition type of stuff), but that's a pretty interesting article! If you liked the infographic & haven't seen this sub-reddit, you may enjoy poking around in it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/top/?t=all

 

[LikeLinus]

I'd imagine it's the same situation with Israel vs. Palestine, fighting over the same patch of land for a zillion years - just centuries of hate built up to the point where it's a given in people's minds & they don't question it at this point. And the rest of the world looks on and wonders what all the fuss is about...

Lol I NEVER got that whole argument and they seem to just keep it going for whatever reason. You are right, it's just perpetually going on and I'm not ever sure the current generation knows why. It's like, hey, let's keep fighting because our elders did. No reason! Lol grudges forever.

 

[Kaido]

Lol I NEVER got that whole argument and they seem to just keep it going for whatever reason. You are right, it's just perpetually going on and I'm not ever sure the current generation knows why. It's like, hey, let's keep fighting because our elders did. No reason! Lol grudges forever.

I think it's because it's an emotional thing, instead of a logical thing. If you were to look at it logically:

1. If you are religious & believe that God created the world & mankind,
2. Then shouldn't all parts of this rock floating in space be equally important, because they were all hand-crafted during the creation process, and
3. Shouldn't humans be the epitome of creation, therefore you shouldn't go around killing each other,
4. Especially just because you think one rock is more important than another rock (even though they had the same Creator!), and also
5. If you are all brothers & sisters spiritually, then what are you doing killing each other, especially because
6. There are 100 billion planets in the Milky Way (according to Mr. Google) & you're especially concerned about one specific patch of land?

Plus, if you're supposed to "turn the other cheek", then why wouldn't you just give the other group control of said rock, because while it may be considered more holy than other rocks ("rocks" being locations, buildings, artifacts, etc.), technically the entire planet should be considered holy, as it was a spiritual creation, and even moreso, if it was created for the purpose of putting mankind on it, then mankind & our human bodies should be valued above all else, so you shouldn't go around killing each other in droves for thousands of years because now you're defeating the entire value system? But, we're emotional creatures, so, yeah Meanwhile in the Middle East:

 

[LikeLinus]

I think it's because it's an emotional thing, instead of a logical thing. If you were to look at it logically:

1. If you are religious & believe that God created the world & mankind,
2. Then shouldn't all parts of this rock floating in space be equally important, because they were all hand-crafted during the creation process, and
3. Shouldn't humans be the epitome of creation, therefore you shouldn't go around killing each other,
4. Especially just because you think one rock is more important than another rock (even though they had the same Creator!), and also
5. If you are all brothers & sisters spiritually, then what are you doing killing each other, especially because
6. There are 100 billion planets in the Milky Way (according to Mr. Google) & you're especially concerned about one specific patch of land?

Plus, if you're supposed to "turn the other cheek", then why wouldn't you just give the other group control of said rock, because while it may be considered more holy than other rocks ("rocks" being locations, buildings, artifacts, etc.), technically the entire planet should be considered holy, as it was a spiritual creation, and even moreso, if it was created for the purpose of putting mankind on it, then mankind & our human bodies should be valued above all else, so you shouldn't go around killing each other in droves for thousands of years because now you're defeating the entire value system? But, we're emotional creatures, so, yeah Meanwhile in the Middle East:

Lol, I agree with the Cartoon. I feel like the middle east

 

[mikeymikec]

Note: Not intending for this to be a P&N thread, although it may be more appropriate there, if it needs to be moved. Serious discussion topic, however.

Preface: One of my best friends is black. I am white. As I've gotten older, I've definitely gotten more aware of "white privilege" in America. Today, I learned something new about racism in America that I had never even heard of before. Snippet of the conversation:

Me: Hey, what's new?

Friend: Nothing much. Gave my kiddo "the talk" today.

Me: Ah, the birds & the bees huh?

Friend: No...oh...no, the cop talk.

Me: The what?

Yeah so long story short, he's had to have the "police talk" with each of his kids as they've gotten older. The gist of it is basically teaching them how to behave around police officers should they get pulled over or run into officers or anything like that. Two of the key points were (1) put your hands on your head to show that you're not holding a weapon, and (2) even if your white friends are mouthing off to the cops, you behave respectfully no matter what and do not smart off.

I'm pretty sure your friend is lying because as everyone knows, there is nnnnnno racism in Ameri-ca!

Well sure there are still racists in America, but your friend is lying when he suggests that he's encountered any of them.

The orange guy you see in the news clearly doesn't count.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The cop talk isn't new. I'm old enough to have been around when beat cops were common and the favored instrument of "instruction" was the night stick. It was used indiscriminately. All kids got the "talk." Not to say there isn't plenty of racism around. Most privilege issues are of the wealthy variety.

 

[MrSquished]

OP - please proceed to pull your head out of your ass.

I've had the same talk - and I've looked up the same advice... None of it was segregated by race as to what actions one should take. Regardless of one's race... regardless of one's gender... regardless of one's age... You are the cop's bitch for that 5-15 minute time period. Give it to them, knowing that they are likely some stupid fuck that is on a power trip. It is in your best interest to always do such. Not once in my life did I ever get out of a ticket until I learned of this - which wasn't until I was in the working world.

Jesus fuck, even SNOPES has done an article on this. The fact that you have the nerve to post something so asinine is mind boggling. The fact that one insignificant life warped your brain so much that you went negative on your IQ is mind boggling. You might as well be watching Alex Jones and wearing a tin foil hat every day with how inept your thought process is. The fact that this has changed your thought process in the slightest is just pathetic and downright sad.

That said, everyone is prejudice... including black cops. But that doesn't jive with whatever narrative that has warped your brain, does it? No of course not. Keep on putting your head in the sand. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

The OP is quite insightful as white privilege, institutional racism and implicit bias all exist. As a white male it took me time to realize some of these things in the system and inside me as well, and some people like yourself may never wake up.

Also your link to snopes proves nothing, it in fact states that statistically you are more likely to get shot as black vs white:

"black people had a 2.7 higher likelihood of being killed by police than whites.

The grim trend has carried over into 2016. Of the 1,034 people killed and tracked by Burghart’s Fatal Encounters database so far this year, 215 were black while 338 were white, so thus far in 2016 black Americans have been three times more likely than white people to die in interactions with police. That statistic holds for figures sent to us by Burghart compiled between Jan. 1, 2013 to Sept. 21, 2016, with suicides-by-cop removed."

I've read similar analysis to that before but it was good for the snopes link to continue proving people like yourself wrong. So thanks for the self-pwnage brother.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Not all cops are bad, just most of them. The people hired seemed suited to the low-pay high-power and opportunistic advantage to shooting someone that brings a sort of person to getting into the force. From that perspective, I would teach my kids to bide their time and get revenge later after being pulled over. Oh, wait, I don't have any kids.

 

[Stopsignhank]

While I will not dispute the fact that there is racism in America and that it fucking sucks. I will say that having the police talk is not about race. I have had the talk with my kids, not really a talk but just telling them to pass the attitude test. "Yes sir, No sir, going home sir, yes sir" Passing the attitude test helped keep my record clean.

 

[child of wonder]

I'm white and had a talk on how to behave during police encounters, too. It's common sense and has nothing to do with race.

 

[madoka]

No speech necessary. Just follow some simple rules.

 

[brianmanahan]

this right here is my grandparents. not happy unless they have something to be mad about.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I'll just leave this here....

 

[BD231]

this right here is my grandparents. not happy unless they have something to be mad about.

I haven't been laid in 2 and a half years ...... but I know hoe's that swallow nut for a straight hour from complete strangers.

They have no right to be mad.

Absolutely inappropriate. You can't degrade threads with comments like this.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[zerocool84]

I'm white and had a talk on how to behave during police encounters, too. It's common sense and has nothing to do with race.

Sure but you're more likely to get pulled over, searched, arrested, or killed by a cop if you're black so that part IS about race.

 

[MrSquished]

I'll just leave this here....

First of all your link on the bottom of your image is a broken link, and has typos in it. So who knows if it is real, the numbers that is. But anyway - you also miss the entire point, something you seem to have a trend of doing. BLM is not protesting the criminal killings by whites against blacks in general, but those of police officers against blacks, and those killings are for the most part considered justified, not murder, and wouldn't count in these statistics.

 

[mikeymikec]

First of all your link on the bottom of your image is a broken link, and has typos in it. So who knows if it is real, the numbers that is. But anyway - you also miss the entire point, something you seem to have a trend of doing. BLM is not protesting the criminal killings by whites against blacks in general, but those of police officers against blacks, and those killings are for the most part considered justified, not murder, and wouldn't count in these statistics.

You missed his point though: He wanted to draw attention to the highest bar.

 

[MrSquished]

You missed his point though: He wanted to draw attention to the highest bar.

First of all like I said his image constains a link to something that contains the words murdred by sex of offender - who knows which one. Try to type in the link and nothing comes up but an FBI error. The other bar is already understood - blacks live with blacks so they tend to kill blacks. It's economics.

 

[mikeymikec]

I think you missed my point entirely.

Nope. People like s0me0nesmind1 often need to duhvert.

This is the source data for that graph though:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

The data used by the author of the graph though is likely to be wildly inaccurate though, given that googling for 'us number of homicides 2013' picks up an FBI result claiming the figure to be 14196 (estimate). Totalling up the figures from the table that the author claims as their source results in the figure 5723.

Also, the source table provides no population figures so the author got those from somewhere else.

 

[madoka]

Most privilege issues are of the wealthy variety.

Like how the son of Denver's mayor reacted to a traffic stop:

 

[highland145]

I've had the 2 cop talks with my kid.

If you get pulled over, roll down the window, turn on the dome light if it's night and put your hands on the wheel until the cop asks for your papers.

And if you ever get picked up, 2 words, "Jeee" "bus."


Also, the other talk, don't put your wanker into crazy.

 

[Majes]

"black people had a 2.7 higher likelihood of being killed by police than whites.

You do realize that this number comes entirely from the fact that blacks are more likely to be involved with the police than whites correct? The real argument comes from whether this is a deliberate targeting by police of black criminal behavior or whether they actually commit more crime. It's not actually about what happens during the police interactions, its about the amount of interactions being disproportionate.

I had "the talk" about police with my parents too. We were white folk who lived in between two farms. I'm not trying to say there isn't some institutional racism regarding the police in this country, but the narrative has been to push individual experiences where cops handled things wrong and to cherry pick select statistics that back it up. Frankly, there's a large segment of the population that believes blacks and hispanics simply commit more crimes than whites, and you can find numbers to back that up.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You do realize that this number comes entirely from the fact that blacks are more likely to be involved with the police than whites correct? The real argument comes from whether this is a deliberate targeting by police of black criminal behavior or whether they actually commit more crime. It's not actually about what happens during the police interactions, its about the amount of interactions being disproportionate.

I had "the talk" about police with my parents too. We were white folk who lived in between two farms. I'm not trying to say there isn't some institutional racism regarding the police in this country, but the narrative has been to push individual experiences where cops handled things wrong and to cherry pick select statistics that back it up. Frankly, there's a large segment of the population that believes blacks and hispanics simply commit more crimes than whites, and you can find numbers to back that up.

You're talking to someone that lives, breathes, and dies by victim culture. He's even stupid enough to defend someone that gets a degree in gender studies because they be oppressed "and come from a marginalized group" yo.

Statistics 101 of the phrase "correlation != causation" comes to mind, because stupid morons like him will try to insert whatever narrative makes their fee-fee's feel best. More black people arrested? RACISM! More black people killed by other black people? RACISM!

 

[mikeymikec]

The other bar is already understood - blacks live with blacks so they tend to kill blacks. It's economics.

Statistics 101 of the phrase "correlation != causation" comes to mind, because stupid morons like him will try to insert whatever narrative makes their fee-fee's feel best. More black people arrested? RACISM! More black people killed by other black people? RACISM!

He already made his position clear on that exact point and yet you decided to go for an ad hominem. I'd add 'and a strawman' if I thought you appeared to be remotely interested in discussing the point with people whose opinions differ from your own, even if you were limited to arguing points in a dishonest manner by say erecting straw men.

I'm just not sure why you come here. An echo chamber seems to be far more up your street.