Jeff7
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- Jan 4, 2001
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Are you going to stop buying stuff made out of state also? Why do you keep sending money out of your home state?
What about your municipality? Are you going to do business with "foreign" entities?
Too much focus is already put on arbitrary political boundaries. Everyone's all "United we stand," but if you talk about unity outside your national boundaries, well now that's just silly.
Trade ends up resulting in an overall increase in productivity and efficiency. Yes, some businesses go under in the meantime. That's what happens in capitalism - compete or exit the market. Sometimes the market throws some pretty mean curves. So are you game, or do you forfeit?
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Are you going to stop buying stuff made out of state also? Why do you keep sending money out of your home state?
What about your municipality? Are you going to do business with "foreign" entities?
Too much focus is already put on arbitrary political boundaries.
Everyone's all "United we stand," but if you talk about unity outside your national boundaries, well now that's just silly.
Trade ends up resulting in an overall increase in productivity and efficiency. Yes, some businesses go under in the meantime. That's what happens in capitalism - compete or exit the market. Sometimes the market throws some pretty mean curves. So are you game, or do you forfeit?
Epic fail
America Vs $1 a day != "arbitray political boundary"
Fingolfin269
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- Feb 28, 2003
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Err, I work for a Japanese automaker and have a job... I'm not sure where that guy is going with his statement. The vehicle I drive was built here too. The majority of the parts were built in the US by people who *gasp* have jobs. Then of course I go to the Subway across the street some times and give them some money that was given to me by the Japanese company I work for. Kind of weird how all of this is getting shipped back over to Japan!
Throckmorton
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- Aug 23, 2007
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"Rice ready" in this context has nothing to do with ricing out cars.... That's like calling an Asian person a "rice eater", then saying "Oh I was talking about putting a wing on your Honda". Or calling an Asian a "narrow eyed celestial" and then saying "Oh I was talking about your tendency to squint and your love of Astronomy".
AstroManLuca
Lifer
- Jun 24, 2004
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That would explain why I was so confused about what they were talking about. I've never heard "rice" used in a context outside of car modding, but it makes sense that a few assholes would use it that way.
BoomerD
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- Feb 26, 2006
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Since Japanese cars have always been called "riceburners" it actually makes sense, especially in the context of "ricing" a car by adding the spoiler wings, ground effects, and bright colorful stickers that add an automatic 10-50 hp.
In the 70's and early 80's, if you parked an import car in the parking lot of my union hall, they'd have it towed...and did.
I understand that many Japanese cars are made by Americans right here in America. I think that's a great thing, but as has already been pointed out, the profits go elsewhere...to Japan for the most part. Yes, there are stockholders here in the USA, but the bulk of the profits end up in Japan...THAT's where the hatred for Japanese cars comes from. Why it doesn't apply to European car makers I don't know. Is it racism? I don't think so, but maybe.
(we round-eyes just can't understand those inscrutable Ornamentals) :roll:
In my nearly 40 years of owning automobiles, I've owned ONE Japanese vehicle...and that was only because I bought it from my FIL to bail him out after he got stuck with it when he co-signed for my BIL and he flaked out on the payments.
It was a little piece of shit Datsun pick-up that only had one thing going for it...it got good gas mileage.
In the 70's and early 80's, if you parked an import car in the parking lot of my union hall, they'd have it towed...and did.
I understand that many Japanese cars are made by Americans right here in America. I think that's a great thing, but as has already been pointed out, the profits go elsewhere...to Japan for the most part. Yes, there are stockholders here in the USA, but the bulk of the profits end up in Japan...THAT's where the hatred for Japanese cars comes from. Why it doesn't apply to European car makers I don't know. Is it racism? I don't think so, but maybe.
(we round-eyes just can't understand those inscrutable Ornamentals) :roll:
In my nearly 40 years of owning automobiles, I've owned ONE Japanese vehicle...and that was only because I bought it from my FIL to bail him out after he got stuck with it when he co-signed for my BIL and he flaked out on the payments.
It was a little piece of shit Datsun pick-up that only had one thing going for it...it got good gas mileage.
AstroManLuca
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- Jun 24, 2004
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GroundedSailor
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- Feb 18, 2001
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Modern domestics are equal, if not higher, rated when compared to the rest of the industry. Those days are gone when the cliche 'domestic bad, Japanese good' applied.
Unfortunately it takes a long time for perceptions to change and as we all know, perception is reality.
But I suggest you take a good look at the last few years J D Powers ratings. You will be surprised. Even Consumers reports, who are famously pro Japanese, have been giving domestics high marks.
Uhm, I can't believe I'm about to do this. But I have to point out things in ..... (I really can't believe I'm doing this ) ... Dave's favor.
Yes they make *some* cars here, but they have quite a bit of overhead workforce in their home country, therefore all of that is being invested in their country. Additionally the bulk of taxes they will be paying are their home countries, again money being invested in their home country.
I honestly believe the best product should win out assuming the playing field is equal, but there is something to be said for being patriotic and supporting a strong manufacturing presence in the U.S. The big three are offering some great products nowadays it's not like the late 90's early 00's.
SP33Demon
Lifer
- Jun 22, 2001
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Who is this racist asshole and why does he deserve time in the national media spotlight? A new one is born every day, and if every racist public statement was made national news there wouldn't be time to cover anything else. AP needs to find a real story and stop wasting our time.
Squisher
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- Aug 17, 2000
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It is very much still the case, but it really doesn't matter. The bulk of the profits to be made by any car company are to be made here in the U.S. Even if the Japanese tariffs were lifted the Japanese public have an even deeper "Japan good everybody else bad" mentality that I doubt domestics would make any inroads.
And btw-domestics make a lot of good cars, some better than all the competition.
All of you people using the word "rice" just need to stop it. It's racist, and makes you seem like a kid in the schoolyard.
And for those complaining about the japanese not buying American cars, have you ever seen the roads in Japan? Many of them are what we would call alleys, and a Cadillac will not fit, it's that simple. OTOH, the Yakuza are very fond of big Cadillacs and Lincolns.
And for those complaining about the japanese not buying American cars, have you ever seen the roads in Japan? Many of them are what we would call alleys, and a Cadillac will not fit, it's that simple. OTOH, the Yakuza are very fond of big Cadillacs and Lincolns.
Fern
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- Sep 30, 2003
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Are you going to stop buying stuff made out of state also? Why do you keep sending money out of your home state?
What about your municipality? Are you going to do business with "foreign" entities?
Too much focus is already put on arbitrary political boundaries. Everyone's all "United we stand," but if you talk about unity outside your national boundaries, well now that's just silly.
-snip-
Well, since you bring it up - yes. My municipality has started a campaign to have our county residents buy everything in our county. I.e., don't go to the bigger malls on the other side of the county border.
There are large ads about it in the newspaper every day, and someone went around putting posters on every business and store in the county.
Here in NC (and likely elsewhere) we receive a portion of the sales tax collected in our county. So, if you buy out-of county the money goes to the other county, and our county is looking at a budget shortfall.
Fern
You guys realize American companies make profit from other countries too right? Whether it's tires, hotel chains, fast food places.
So should people from other countries start boycotting American products sold all over the world in which the profit goes to America?
So should people from other countries start boycotting American products sold all over the world in which the profit goes to America?
GroundedSailor
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- Feb 18, 2001
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A lot of countries do not make the American products that they buy.
Very few countries actually make cars. The issue here is that any profits Japanese manufacturers make in the US are distributed to shareholders mainly in Japan. Also most of the R&D money is spent in Japan and not here. As are most of the tools and dies.
I would rather spend on a car where the expertise remains here, even if the actual assembly is done elsewhere. My wife drives a Hyundai which is 'Proudly made in Alabama' but when I open the hood most of the parts I see are made in Korea. So basically they are assembling the car here to get around import restrictions. Also it is more efficient to ship parts around than to ship a completely assembled car.
Personally I would prefer to buy a car made in a union shop than a non union shop, but thats me. (My car is made in Detroit, as was my previous vehicle and as will be my next one shortly).
That's probably why they make a lot of cars that they don't sell here. GM and Ford have several sub-compact cars. I don't know what Ford does (well, besides Mazda, which, I believe, Japanese law prevents them from taking them over), but GM usually sells most of its things as Daewoos in the Asian markets. The Chinese seem to have a thing for Buicks though.
Up until recently, GM also had its shares of Suzuki and Subaru.
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Are you going to stop buying stuff made out of state also? Why do you keep sending money out of your home state?
What about your municipality? Are you going to do business with "foreign" entities?
Too much focus is already put on arbitrary political boundaries. Everyone's all "United we stand," but if you talk about unity outside your national boundaries, well now that's just silly.
-snip-
Well, since you bring it up - yes. My municipality has started a campaign to have our county residents buy everything in our county. I.e., don't go to the bigger malls on the other side of the county border.
There are large ads about it in the newspaper every day, and someone went around putting posters on every business and store in the county.
Here in NC (and likely elsewhere) we receive a portion of the sales tax collected in our county. So, if you buy out-of county the money goes to the other county, and our county is looking at a budget shortfall.
Fern
There you go
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