Rachel Dolezal 2.0? Black Lives Matter Activist, Shaun King, Outed as White

[Vic]

Heh. I suspect you're a sadist. People don't want to see themselves and find out that everything they think is real is actually just a construct of their perceptions.

 

[Moonbeam]

Heh. I suspect you're a sadist. People don't want to see themselves and find out that everything they think is real is actually just a construct of their perceptions.

I have no choice. The right is big on personal responsibility though naturally, because they don't know what it is. And if they could see just that one simple thing, the world would change. And speaking of sadist.....Poor Hamburgerboy seems to have disappeared, Looks to me like you came at his bubble with Akmed's razor.

 

[Double Trouble]

It's not just social media doing this anymore. People seem to be increasingly reluctant to acknowledge that someone who disagrees with them might just have a different viewpoint or a competing interest, and instead jump straight to conclusions of demonization and dehumanization using the most extreme possible straw men and false equivalencies.
It's sad really, and the most glaring reminder IMO that critical thinking skills are not being taught in our schools.

I think so as well. Different opinions are demonized.

 

[werepossum]

It's not just social media doing this anymore. People seem to be increasingly reluctant to acknowledge that someone who disagrees with them might just have a different viewpoint or a competing interest, and instead jump straight to conclusions of demonization and dehumanization using the most extreme possible straw men and false equivalencies.
It's sad really, and the most glaring reminder IMO that critical thinking skills are not being taught in our schools.

Well said. It also applies to the GamerGate thing though.

Try a simple thought experiment. Suppose Martin was a 40 year old white male and everything else was the same. Martin walking back from the store with a Hispanic man stalking him right to his doorstep. Whose castle would the right had said was being defended then?

That's a fair point. Something I said at the time was that both acted unreasonably by what we know - but both acted reasonably given what they knew at the time and how a reasonable person would interpret the other's actions.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's a fair point. Something I said at the time was that both acted unreasonably by what we know - but both acted reasonably given what they knew at the time and how a reasonable person would interpret the other's actions.

What we know does not include a personal explanation of the motivation or story of the person black kid who was shot and killed. That is a blank we fill in ourselves. Thus that one acted unreasonably is based on our assessment of the unreasonableness of his actions according to his story and an imaginary assessment of the actions of the other. We thus imagine a state of the reasonableness of the shooter and imagine the reasonableness of the victim based on our imaginary conclusions as to what he was up to.

Nowhere do we know anything at all about what is reasonable or unreasonable that we do not supply from our personal estimation of what is reasonable or unreasonable. What is unreasonable, in my opinion, is that we can.

The problem I see is this. If you take a person like Vic or eskimospy or numerous others who post here, folk who don't seem to have knee jerk reactions to things but rather a capacity to look deeply and weigh many factors, people we say have perspective and insights into things, their view of what is reasonable is weighted toward introspective thinking. They have to do mental work to come up with an opinion and it is subject to change based on additional information.

For other folk the judgment as to what is reasonable or unreasonable is arrived at instantly. Their views are based on conditioning.

If your views are based on conditioning none of this that I am saying, I fear, will make any sense.

The result will be that some will arrive at what is reasonable emotionally, based on the past, and others will apply logic and reason to arrive at a tentative conclusion.

The former is unreasoned and the latter is so the former is only an opinion as to what reasonable is.

Why do people not see that their opinions on what is reasonable can be biased?

The answer is simply self hate. It is good to be reasonable and shameful not to be. When you are raised as a child and told your unreasonable, as every child has to be, reasonable requires an adult experienced functioning brain, you are conditioned to hate irrationality, to hate how you are and must be. This is something not easily known. It is known only by folk who have been deep into reliving childhood experiences. None the less it makes logical sense and no other answers as to the origin of the perception of evil exist that make anything but magical sense.

So once the wall of ego is erected in the mind of the child to separate him or her from the pain and rejection one gets for being irrational, having childhood needs and being as a child must be, he or she will experience being called irrational or unreasonable as a pejorative attack, one that will be shined on and denied.

Thus we live in a rational and reasonable world where reason and reasonable are king, everybody that is except for a few worthless nobodies like me.

T

 

[woolfe9998]

It's not good for anyone. What is shameful for the goose...

Except that just as not everyone agrees with a stupid twitter comment, so too not everyone mischarazterizes the entire opposing view with isolated twitter comments. There are people on both sides who do and do not do this. You've chosen to be someone who does, and that reflects on you.

If someone on the "other side" of your political football team is employing a logical fallacy, the remedy is to point it out. Not to commit the same one yourself.

The truth is that people on both sides do this, quite frequently. The fight should be between those on both sides who have some integrity and those who do not.

 

[Moonbeam]

Except that just as not everyone agrees with a stupid twitter comment, so too not everyone mischarazterizes the entire opposing view with isolated twitter comments. There are people on both sides who do and do not do this. You've chosen to be someone who does, and that reflects on you.

If someone on the "other side" of your political football team is employing a logical fallacy, the remedy is to point it out. Not to commit the same one yourself.

The truth is that people on both sides do this, quite frequently. The fight should be between those on both sides who have some integrity and those who do not.

That is all very reasonable. The problem I have with it is that it contains the notion of should and choice applied to a machine. It looks to me that humanity is asleep, governed by unconscious motivations, nor more able to choose than to do what they should. Only the individual can free himself from this by recognition of his or her mechanical nature, the danger it poses, and the potential that seeing that danger has on the possibility of experiencing grace. We are a product of the system. We are the system, we create the system and it creates us. How do we create change? Only you can change. Only an individual can free himself from the system. Spread the word???????

 

[BoberFett]

Try a simple thought experiment. Suppose Martin was a 40 year old white male and everything else was the same. Martin walking back from the store with a Hispanic man stalking him right to his doorstep. Whose castle would the right had said was being defended then?

Wait, was Zimmerman white or Hispanic? His race seems to change depending who's agenda is being pimped at any given time...

 

[BoberFett]

Bitter much?

Tired of the double standard. From every side.

 

[BoberFett]

No, I was trying to say that if Martin had been white that the response from the right would have been different. The left's too, I'm sure, but why does that matter?

Why does it matter? Let me remind you of your original claim:

No, the right made it racist by continually arguing that Martin must have been a trespassing criminal thug even though he was a resident in the complex and had no criminal record.

edit: IOW, the wannabe cop never had any probable cause.

You said that the Martin/Zimmerman debacle was made RACIST because of the RIGHT.

I could be wrong, but if Martin had been a white kid who had been shot while assaulting someone, the right would have had no problem with it. You know, self defense being what it is.

It was the left who made it a race issue.

 

[woolfe9998]

That is all very reasonable. The problem I have with it is that it contains the notion of should and choice applied to a machine. It looks to me that humanity is asleep, governed by unconscious motivations, nor more able to choose than to do what they should. Only the individual can free himself from this by recognition of his or her mechanical nature, the danger it poses, and the potential that seeing that danger has on the possibility of experiencing grace. We are a product of the system. We are the system, we create the system and it creates us. How do we create change? Only you can change. Only an individual can free himself from the system. Spread the word???????

If we're able to "free ourselves" then by definition, we have a choice. It may not be easy, but there's always a choice.

 

[highland145]

You said that the Martin/Zimmerman debacle was made RACIST because of the RIGHT.

I could be wrong, but if Martin had been a white kid who had been shot while assaulting someone, the right would have had no problem with it. You know, self defense being what it is.

It was the left who made it a race issue.

You should watch your mouth around here......just sayin.'


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[werepossum]

What we know does not include a personal explanation of the motivation or story of the person black kid who was shot and killed. That is a blank we fill in ourselves. Thus that one acted unreasonably is based on our assessment of the unreasonableness of his actions according to his story and an imaginary assessment of the actions of the other. We thus imagine a state of the reasonableness of the shooter and imagine the reasonableness of the victim based on our imaginary conclusions as to what he was up to.

Nowhere do we know anything at all about what is reasonable or unreasonable that we do not supply from our personal estimation of what is reasonable or unreasonable. What is unreasonable, in my opinion, is that we can.

The problem I see is this. If you take a person like Vic or eskimospy or numerous others who post here, folk who don't seem to have knee jerk reactions to things but rather a capacity to look deeply and weigh many factors, people we say have perspective and insights into things, their view of what is reasonable is weighted toward introspective thinking. They have to do mental work to come up with an opinion and it is subject to change based on additional information.

For other folk the judgment as to what is reasonable or unreasonable is arrived at instantly. Their views are based on conditioning.

If your views are based on conditioning none of this that I am saying, I fear, will make any sense.

The result will be that some will arrive at what is reasonable emotionally, based on the past, and others will apply logic and reason to arrive at a tentative conclusion.

The former is unreasoned and the latter is so the former is only an opinion as to what reasonable is.

Why do people not see that their opinions on what is reasonable can be biased?

The answer is simply self hate. It is good to be reasonable and shameful not to be. When you are raised as a child and told your unreasonable, as every child has to be, reasonable requires an adult experienced functioning brain, you are conditioned to hate irrationality, to hate how you are and must be. This is something not easily known. It is known only by folk who have been deep into reliving childhood experiences. None the less it makes logical sense and no other answers as to the origin of the perception of evil exist that make anything but magical sense.

So once the wall of ego is erected in the mind of the child to separate him or her from the pain and rejection one gets for being irrational, having childhood needs and being as a child must be, he or she will experience being called irrational or unreasonable as a pejorative attack, one that will be shined on and denied.

Thus we live in a rational and reasonable world where reason and reasonable are king, everybody that is except for a few worthless nobodies like me.

T

Jeez, Moonie, get some perspective. You are claiming that people like Eskimospy have "a capacity to look deeply and weigh many factors" and are "people we say have perspective and insights into things, their view of what is reasonable is weighted toward introspective thinking. They have to do mental work to come up with an opinion and it is subject to change based on additional information." Then you intimate that people like me have views "based on conditioning". You insist that people who agree with the Democrat Party and the left on literally every issue "weigh many factors" when all that is required is to judge where it falls on the left-right scale. That is all. No deep thinking is required. No thinking of any kind is required. You merely judge where something falls on the left-right scale and then insist that everyone who disagrees with the left (generally roughly half the nation) has a brain defect. You literally could not come up with a more simplistic, thought-free ideology if you got DARPA on board with the effort.

If you wish to argue that the left is correct on literally every issue and that we only have a two-party system because half of the nation has a brain defect, fine. It's a free country. Just please don't double down on it and pat yourself on the back for doing something a simple piece of code could do just as well, with exactly the same results. That just makes you a laughing stock.

 

[Moonbeam]

werepossum: Jeez, Moonie, get some perspective.

M: Everything I just wrote was to educate you on having perspective.

w: You are claiming that people like Eskimospy have "a capacity to look deeply and weigh many factors" and are "people we say have perspective and insights into things, their view of what is reasonable is weighted toward introspective thinking.

M: We. meaning people who are not brain defective, not we as in you.

w: They have to do mental work to come up with an opinion and it is subject to change based on additional information." Then you intimate that people like me have views "based on conditioning".

M: Yes.

w: You insist that people who agree with the Democrat Party and the left on literally every issue "weigh many factors" when all that is required is to judge where it falls on the left-right scale. That is all. No deep thinking is required. No thinking of any kind is required. You merely judge where something falls on the left-right scale and then insist that everyone who disagrees with the left (generally roughly half the nation) has a brain defect. You literally could not come up with a more simplistic, thought-free ideology if you got DARPA on board with the effort.

M: This is your bias in action. eskimo, I probably should have never used his name to prevent free dumping he doesn't really need, does not agree with everything other liberals do. He was recently critical, for example, of the Gov on NY. This happens frequently. You are not typically conservative but in some areas you are very biased.

w: If you wish to argue that the left is correct on literally every issue and that we only have a two-party system because half of the nation has a brain defect, fine. It's a free country. Just please don't double down on it and pat yourself on the back for doing something a simple piece of code could do just as well, with exactly the same results. That just makes you a laughing stock.

M: It is very CBDive of you to look for laughing stocks. I have mentioned, over and over that those who were laughed at as children to cause conformity to family standards, have internalized the fear they are ridiculous.

The greatest threat to our nation today is the madness on the right. I focus there. That will change when the left become the primary danger. The truth is never found in the duality of good and evil but in the integration of opposites at a higher level. The world is and has always been perfect. The desire to fix it is where the insanity lies. The desire for the status quo or for progress are all mental health issues. The world we see is the world we create by knowing things when we know nothing at all.

 

[Exophase]

M: We. meaning people who are not brain defective, not we as in you.

Do you ever stop and think about how a person's background and circumstances plays into things like political affiliation? There could be two people who actually know very little about real politics and choose to identify as liberal or conservative while attacking the other merely because that's what influential people around them have always done.

Surely, even for all you say so, even you don't actually believe that one of those two necessarily has a brain defect and the other doesn't.

 

[BoberFett]

Do you ever stop and think

I'm gonna cut you off right there, you've already made a vast overestimation of Moonbeam's cognitive skills...

 

[Moonbeam]

If we're able to "free ourselves" then by definition, we have a choice. It may not be easy, but there's always a choice.

The ego is the trap. The ego is the self we imagine ourselves to be. To be free you have to die before you die, die to the ego. But you cannot do that because that you is the ego. The ego will never die of its own volition. The ego IS thought and volition. The ego is the delusion that it has will. Whatever we think, whatever we imagine, that is the ego. Any effort to change, any assumption we have changed if the ego. We are completely doomed, completely trapped. We have no hope at all. If one sees this deeply, feels it deeply, one may experience a state is surrender, a relaxation, a letting go, an internal collapse, an end to the war against ones worst fears that have been fully realized. When the door to ego closes grace can oped the door to love and being. It opens of itself because the ego self is gone.

 

[Moonbeam]

Exophase: Do you ever stop and think about how a person's background and circumstances plays into things like political affiliation?

M: Better than that. I stopped thinking. I don't have to stop to unthink something because I never thought it in the first place.

E: There could be two people who actually know very little about real politics and choose to identify as liberal or conservative while attacking the other merely because that's what influential people around them have always done.

M: which is why I spoke of how sone folk consider things deeply and work using logic and reason to arrive at their opinions.

E: Surely, even for all you say so, even you don't actually believe that one of those two necessarily has a brain defect and the other doesn't.

M: Both have brain defects, but I don't talk about the LBD because it would hurt their feelings.

Besides, they are nasty people who want to rob me to pay Paul. I want to cure the brain defects of the good people. The bad people are no challenge because they can be reached by reason.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So what you're saying is that Martin was not allowed to defend his 'castle?'

Perhaps Martin felt like getting dome as he straddled Zimmerman and began beating him in a violent bloodlust, but it was not his own roof he was under.

I have no choice. The right is big on personal responsibility though naturally, because they don't know what it is. And if they could see just that one simple thing, the world would change. And speaking of sadist.....Poor Hamburgerboy seems to have disappeared, Looks to me like you came at his bubble with Akmed's razor.

Nah, I just logged off and forgot, but thanks for reminding me in that other thread. Not that someone trying to equate self-defense and assault is really worth remembering to reply to.

 

[Exophase]

Exophase: Do you ever stop and think about how a person's background and circumstances plays into things like political affiliation?

M: Better than that. I stopped thinking. I don't have to stop to unthink something because I never thought it in the first place.

E: There could be two people who actually know very little about real politics and choose to identify as liberal or conservative while attacking the other merely because that's what influential people around them have always done.

M: which is why I spoke of how sone folk consider things deeply and work using logic and reason to arrive at their opinions.

E: Surely, even for all you say so, even you don't actually believe that one of those two necessarily has a brain defect and the other doesn't.

M: Both have brain defects, but I don't talk about the LBD because it would hurt their feelings.

Besides, they are nasty people who want to rob me to pay Paul. I want to cure the brain defects of the good people. The bad people are no challenge because they can be reached by reason.

Bizarre, unexpected, and vaguely interesting as usual, Moonbeam.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

bumping this - since we don't need another thread about Shaun King corruption since the list is endless.

Anyhow - Talcum X continues to exploit more money from deceived folks that think they are fighting against racism lol. Instead it's just a corrupt system of pocketing the money and paying it out to friends.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396130924069261319

 

[HomerJS]

bumping this - since we don't need another thread about Shaun King corruption since the list is endless.

Anyhow - Talcum X continues to exploit more money from deceived folks that think they are fighting against racism lol. Instead it's just a corrupt system of pocketing the money and paying it out to friends.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396130924069261319

Interestingly enough if Shaun King had misappropriated funds earmarked for cancer kids you would admire him.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Who is Sean King and why should I give a fuck?
Earnest Owens, no those names do not look familiar.

 

[MrSquished]

Seriously. Shaun King is stupid. Let me know when he has 74 million adoring fascist scum voting for him.

 

[UNCjigga]

Guys, I think we have enough evidence to impeach the Hunter Biden-Shaun King Administration. Most corrupt Administration ever!!! I’m just glad I never voted for them!!