Rachel Dolezal 2.0? Black Lives Matter Activist, Shaun King, Outed as White

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LegendKiller

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So are you trying to say that if Martin had been white that the response from the right would have been the same?
That's pretty laughable IMO.
Are you fucking kidding me?

Do we need to go back and show how ridiculous the left media was? We can start by pointing out "white hispanic" and end with "f*cking c**ns" which was edited to make it seem like he said it.

It's pathetic that you excuse cnn and nbc and lay the blame on the "right".
 

fskimospy

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Why? Literally a win-win here - he gets vindicated AND cash.

Per game theory, the only reason he wouldn't do is if he suspect there's a chance it won't go in his favor.

That's a wrong application of game theory. That would be true only if those are the only two variables in the game, which they aren't. I bet his dad on the birth certificate is just itching to publicly prove he was cuckolded and his mom can't wait to have an even further public discussion of what a whore she was.

Again, disgusting.
 

fskimospy

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Err what I read was there was one teacher and she didn't actually see what happened. Either way it's at best anecdotal vs actual hard evidence; given the wide spread of the claims and data and incentives to make such claims,I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Unless your personal bias is getting in the way, occham's razor should apply here.

A police report is by definition anecdotal. It is no more 'hard evidence ' than any other anecdote. Also, the person disputing it claims to have directly witnessed the incident I believe.

I'm not inclined to believe either way, actually. What I do know is that from the evidence presented saying that he's obviously lying about the previous incident would be impossible unless your bias is to disbelieve it.

Occam's razor says if all else is equal the simplest solution is the most likely. I don't have any idea how one would apply that here.
 

Moonbeam

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Shaun King gave a lengthy account explaining his mixed race heritage and how he came to learn of it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/20/1413881/-Race-love-hate-and-me-A-distinctly-American-story

I really feel bad for the guy now (and this is completely independent of his politics or activism which I don't really know that much about having not heard of him before this). I wish someone in the media that ran the expose made extensive to make sure they gave him every opportunity to give an explanation privately before running with this. It could have prevented him having to publish such a private story. Even if exposes are always a risk as a public figure of sorts he had to also expose his family, particularly his mother (putting aside whatever fault she may have had in this).

I personally feel pretty embarrassed to not have even considered the possibility that the man on his birth certificate wasn't his biological father until others here mentioned it and I saw the pictures of him as a child. I guess I figured that if this was a known fact to him it wouldn't have stayed on the birth certificate, but I should have known better that that's not how things often work.

Well well well, a human being.
 

cabri

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He was staying long term with his father, who was a resident.

My point remains that Zimmerman had no cause to stop Martin, and neither was Martin under any obligation to obey any command that Zimmerman may have given him. That some people continue to believe otherwise is either ignorant, racist, or authoritarian. You choose.

He was shipped to the Orlando area by his mother while on school suspension.
That is not long term; more like a vacation.

The second half of your post is correct. And Zimmerman never issued any commands to Martin nor did he stop Martin.

Your inference is that such happened, which is false.
 

PokerGuy

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A police report is by definition anecdotal. It is no more 'hard evidence ' than any other anecdote. Also, the person disputing it claims to have directly witnessed the incident I believe.

Actually, it is more "hard evidence" than an account by someone years later. Memory is a fickle thing than can very easily be tainted, changed, or even created out of nothing. Unless the account was documented at the time, it doesn't carry much weight now. A specific report, made at the time, on the other hand, is specific and hasn't been changed over time. It is what it was then. That doesn't prove it was true or accurate, but it's certainly more credible than an account based on memories from a decade ago -- especially considering the tremendous motivation (depending on which "side" the witness is) to either discredit or support King's account in light of current reality.

What I do know is that from the evidence presented saying that he's obviously lying about the previous incident would be impossible unless your bias is to disbelieve it.

Dang it, I have to agree with you on this. There is the distinct possibility that his biological father is not the guy listed on the birth certificate. I also think it's highly likely that he's been embellishing on his stories of vicimization to gain more influence as a SJW, which would easily explain the differences between police report of the incident versus his account.

Occam's razor says if all else is equal the simplest solution is the most likely. I don't have any idea how one would apply that here.

Well, which explanation that fits all the information provided is simpler? Him lying to gain scholarships and lying/embellishing on his stories as a victim to gain credibility the movement seems a lot more simple than the birth certificate being wrong, plus relatives saying he's white being wrong, plus the police lying on the report created at the time etc.

I have to admit there is at least the possibility that he's telling the truth regarding his father (even if his claims of attacks etc are false).

At this point, since his mother's reputation has already been dragged through the mud (by King himself btw), what's the harm in taking the DNA test to prove things one way or the other?
 

Moonbeam

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He was shipped to the Orlando area by his mother while on school suspension.
That is not long term; more like a vacation.

The second half of your post is correct. And Zimmerman never issued any commands to Martin nor did he stop Martin.

Your inference is that such happened, which is false.

You have an advantage over Vic. The things he says are intelligent and complex and can't be easily communicated to idiots. You, on the other hand, can babble away any form of idiocy and appear completely lucid to them and especially yourself.
 

Moonbeam

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Actually, it is more "hard evidence" than an account by someone years later. Memory is a fickle thing than can very easily be tainted, changed, or even created out of nothing. Unless the account was documented at the time, it doesn't carry much weight now. A specific report, made at the time, on the other hand, is specific and hasn't been changed over time. It is what it was then. That doesn't prove it was true or accurate, but it's certainly more credible than an account based on memories from a decade ago -- especially considering the tremendous motivation (depending on which "side" the witness is) to either discredit or support King's account in light of current reality.



Dang it, I have to agree with you on this. There is the distinct possibility that his biological father is not the guy listed on the birth certificate. I also think it's highly likely that he's been embellishing on his stories of vicimization to gain more influence as a SJW, which would easily explain the differences between police report of the incident versus his account.



Well, which explanation that fits all the information provided is simpler? Him lying to gain scholarships and lying/embellishing on his stories as a victim to gain credibility the movement seems a lot more simple than the birth certificate being wrong, plus relatives saying he's white being wrong, plus the police lying on the report created at the time etc.

I have to admit there is at least the possibility that he's telling the truth regarding his father (even if his claims of attacks etc are false).

At this point, since his mother's reputation has already been dragged through the mud (by King himself btw), what's the harm in taking the DNA test to prove things one way or the other?

You have represented another human beings story in your head and believe that that story in your head is the person's story. You know nothing but you tell yourself otherwise. You are unconsciously motivated to see the world in a particular way. Your view of reality is thereby made defective. I would suggest that you were put in this mental prison by shame and can't get back out because you will not now feel any shame for your condition. This is why eskimo uses terms like disgusting for the behavior the right displays. It is disgusting because you do what you do that is shameful but you do it devoid of that feeling.
 

cabri

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You have an advantage over Vic. The things he says are intelligent and complex and can't be easily communicated to idiots. You, on the other hand, can babble away any form of idiocy and appear completely lucid to them and especially yourself.


Then please explain, as if to an idiot, exactly what Vic was trying to say then
 

SSSnail

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OP didn't see it. His hood blinded him to it.

Most likely it's because I never post in this cesspool calls P&N, and the thread was moved over from the OP. But, do carry on.

BTW, Shaun didn't get "lynched" in school, he threatened a girl over $8 and got his ass kicked, and that was the story told by people involved, not hearsay.
 

BoberFett

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So are you trying to say that if Martin had been white that the response from the right would have been the same?
That's pretty laughable IMO.

Are you trying to say that if Martin had been white that the response from the left would have been the same?

What happened to you Vic?
 

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Allure magazine under fire over 'racist' beauty article
The feature focused on 70s-style hairdos that have been brought back into fashion
Actress Marissa Neitling, 31, who stars in TNT's The Last Ship, modeled a 'soft, imperfect afro' ...
Many readers have taken to Twitter and Instagram to slam the publication for choosing to use a white woman to model an African American hairstyle
Do I understand the current situation correctly?

That is, progressives are arguing that it is okay for a white guy, that identifies as black, to be a leader in the black lives matter movement but it is racist for a magazine to feature a white girl with a 'soft imperfect afro?"

Black hairdos matter?

Who knew?

Uno
 
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halik

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You have represented another human beings story in your head and believe that that story in your head is the person's story. You know nothing but you tell yourself otherwise. You are unconsciously motivated to see the world in a particular way. Your view of reality is thereby made defective. I would suggest that you were put in this mental prison by shame and can't get back out because you will not now feel any shame for your condition. This is why eskimo uses terms like disgusting for the behavior the right displays. It is disgusting because you do what you do that is shameful but you do it devoid of that feeling.

Going off the "self hate" deep end in 3 ...
 

BoberFett

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You have represented another human beings story in your head and believe that that story in your head is the person's story. You know nothing but you tell yourself otherwise. You are unconsciously motivated to see the world in a particular way. Your view of reality is thereby made defective. I would suggest that you were put in this mental prison by shame and can't get back out because you will not now feel any shame for your condition. This is why eskimo uses terms like disgusting for the behavior the right displays. It is disgusting because you do what you do that is shameful but you do it devoid of that feeling.

What's funny is that the entirety of the new left wing dialogue based on identity politics and telling people to check their privilege is based on telling other people what their story is rather than letting them tell their own.
 

BoberFett

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Allure magazine under fire over 'racist' beauty article
Do I understand the current situation correctly?

That is, progressives are arguing that it is okay for a white guy, that identifies as black, to be a leader in the black lives matter movement but it is racist for a magazine to feature a white girl with a 'soft imperfect afro?"

Black hairdos matter?

Who knew?

Uno

You must have missed that small internet explosion a while back about the fuss that was made over some Hollywood star posting a photo on Twitter with her hair in cornrows. Cultural appropriation, how dare you steal their culture! We need to keep black hairstyles and white hairstyles separate!

LOL, the left has gone nuts. They believe the best route to equality is through discrimination.
 

fskimospy

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You must have missed that small internet explosion a while back about the fuss that was made over some Hollywood star posting a photo on Twitter with her hair in cornrows. Cultural appropriation, how dare you steal their culture! We need to keep black hairstyles and white hairstyles separate!

LOL, the left has gone nuts. They believe the best route to equality is through discrimination.

Wait, so now what 'the left' thinks is embodied by what a few idiots say on Twitter? I'm reasonably confident that you've complained about people doing the reverse about 'the right'.

If what people say on twitter counts as what a whole ideology of people think though, we can have an absolute FIELD DAY with 'the right'. Does that sound like a good idea?
 

cabri

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You must have missed that small internet explosion a while back about the fuss that was made over some Hollywood star posting a photo on Twitter with her hair in cornrows. Cultural appropriation, how dare you steal their culture! We need to keep black hairstyles and white hairstyles separate!

LOL, the left has gone nuts. They believe the best route to equality is through discrimination.


Where was the outrage by another movie star that had corn rows back in the early 80s.

Bo Derek :biggrin:
 

Subyman

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You must have missed that small internet explosion a while back about the fuss that was made over some Hollywood star posting a photo on Twitter with her hair in cornrows. Cultural appropriation, how dare you steal their culture! We need to keep black hairstyles and white hairstyles separate!

LOL, the left has gone nuts. They believe the best route to equality is through discrimination.

I remember that one. Crazy. I wonder what today's twidiots would say about Robert Downey Jr's Tropic Thunder performance these days?
 

Moonbeam

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Then please explain, as if to an idiot, exactly what Vic was trying to say then

No no no tthat's not how this works. I'm smart enough to know that Vic is way way smarter than me. You just assumed I was saying I'm smart enough to understand everything about the points he makes. I read every post of his I can find in the hope of learning something.

I just want to recommend that you slow down a bit and try to take more in, start with a charitable attitude. Assume something is there you may have to dig for.
 

Moonbeam

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What's funny is that the entirety of the new left wing dialogue based on identity politics and telling people to check their privilege is based on telling other people what their story is rather than letting them tell their own.

According to the story you are telling yourself. My story is that I can't tell stories because I don't know anything.