R9 380x rumor and speculation thread

[AtenRa]

Mabe that's why I see gtx970's so cheap now?

237$ shipped no rebate.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2453583

Is this going to be as fast as a gtx970?

ehm no, Tonga die is smaller than GM204.

R9 385 should be between 380 and 390 performance wise.

 

[crisium]

It's meant to be a 960 4GB killer. While $237 is not typical for a 970 by any stretch of the imagination, it's regular to find them for under $300 even before rebates. And considering you can find 4GB 960s for around $200 even before rebate, I think AMD is pricing themselves out of the market here.

It's a shame that the days of AMD pricing faster cards for less money are over. But they still lost market share doing that so I suppose they are just seeking low volume but with better margins than before.

AMD launched the 285 2GB for $249 about 14 months ago. 14 months gets you double the VRAM and 14% more shaders. That's really the only good thing I can say about that price, as it's certainly not exciting to see this card there right now. If deals and rebates kick in later to bring it within $20-$30 or so of the 960 4GB it should find its niche as only costing a few bucks more than a 960 4GB but easily being faster.

 

[happy medium]

R9 385 should be between 380 and 390 performance wise.

So its basically gonna be a expensive overclocked 280x with 1gb more vram and a 256 bit bus?

Look at the specs of a 280x
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7400/the-radeon-r9-280x-review-feat-asus-xfx
Dam I had high hopes for this card.

 

[3DVagabond]

It should sell well if people insist on comparing it with the 970. It's clearly aimed at the next level down. Comparing sale prices with suggested retail is dumb.

 

[Techhog]

ehm no, Tonga die is smaller than GM204.

R9 385 should be between 380 and 390 performance wise.

You meant to say 380X, right?

 

[happy medium]

R9 380x should be between 380 and 390 performance wise.

Its the same as a overclocked 280x. Here is some examples of 280x @ 1100 core.

 

[AtenRa]

Sorry but R9 380 is today faster than GTX960, especially in DX-12 games.
R9 380X will be more than 15-20% faster than GTX960 and closer to R9 290. Im expecting it to be close (within 10-20%) in DX-12 games to GTX970. Also, it should be faster than 280X.

 

[AtenRa]

You meant to say 380X, right?

yes my bad

 

[Techhog]

Looks like a overclocked 280x. Here is some examples of 280x @ 1100 core.

It's not an overclocked 280X anymore than a 285 is an overclocked 280. They have the same number of SPs, but 280X is Tahiti GCN 1.0 and 380X is Tonga GCN 1.2. They're similar, but it'll be a bit faster clock-for-clock and will have significantly better tessellation performance than even the 390, on top of using less power. It could be pretty close to a 290 overall.

 

[happy medium]

It's not an overclocked 280X anymore than a 285 is an overclocked 280. They have the same number of SPs, but 280X is Tahiti GCN 1.0 and 380X is Tonga GCN 1.2. They're similar, but it'll be a bit faster clock-for-clock and will have significantly better tessellation performance than even the 390, on top of using less power. It could be pretty close to a 290 overall.

The specs are exactly the same.....
Is it worth 80$ more than a G1 gaming gtx960 4gb? (my new card)That's like 45% higher cost. 170$ vs 250$

For 250$ I would just put up 20$ more and bought a 970.

I was waiting for this card but it just took too dam long.

 

[alexruiz]

It's meant to be a 960 4GB killer. While $237 is not typical for a 970 by any stretch of the imagination, it's regular to find them for under $300 even before rebates. And considering you can find 4GB 960s for around $200 even before rebate, I think AMD is pricing themselves out of the market here.

It's a shame that the days of AMD pricing faster cards for less money are over. But they still lost market share doing that so I suppose they are just seeking low volume but with better margins than before.

AMD launched the 285 2GB for $249 about 14 months ago. 14 months gets you double the VRAM and 14% more shaders. That's really the only good thing I can say about that price, as it's certainly not exciting to see this card there right now. If deals and rebates kick in later to bring it within $20-$30 or so of the 960 4GB it should find its niche as only costing a few bucks more than a 960 4GB but easily being faster.

The R9 285 was already faster than a GTX 960.
The R9 380 is faster than a R9 285.
The R9 380x will be faster than the R9 380.

If anything, what could compete with the R9 380x is a potential GTX 960 Ti. I know some members here are infatuated with the GTX960, but let's get real, they belong to different classes.

Now, on the pricing, I agree with you that $249 is not the price it should be. The R9 380 4GB can routinely be found for under $200 AR, and the R9 390 8GB is already hovering at $280AR. (Yes, 8GB of full speed VRAM, not 3.5 + .5 of slower one...) For $30 difference, between a R9 380x and a R9 390, I'd skip lunch for a week and get the 390, no contest. Unless the R9 380x comes very close to the R9 390, the price is too much. $219-29 would have been the price to launch it.

 

[AtenRa]

$219-29 would have been the price to launch it.

I agree,
but AMD knows there is a hole in the $200-300 range from NVIDIA and they will take any advantage they can get.

 

[Techhog]

The specs are exactly the same.....

Did you just completely ignore everything I said? I think that you did. You seem to be trying to call it rebrand without directly saying it. You're also playing dumb as if you didn't know the specs of a full Tonga ages ago...

 

[happy medium]

but AMD knows there is a hole in the $200-300 range from NVIDIA and they will take any advantage they can get.

I think that hole is shut...
the gtx970 had been fairly easy to find for under 280$ for weeks.

I've seen 4gb gtx960's hovering around 180$ (I got mine for 170$ G1 gaming model) 2gb models for 160$. with a good easy overclock ,I will get 20% more performance then a stock 960.

It would be a good deal @ 215$ if its a little faster than a 280x. It would be a great deal if it overclocks real nice.
.

 

[happy medium]

You seem to be trying to call it rebrand without directly saying it.

No not at all......how much more performance clock to clock does it have than a 280x?
You said that was the difference. the specs are the same besides the 384 bit bus and core clockspeed.

so GNC 1.0 vs 1.2, what the clock for clock difference? and how will this turn into real world performance.

but it'll be a bit faster clock-for-clock and will have significantly better tessellation performance

My gtx960 G1 gaming 4gb for 170$ has not shipped yet. I wanna know.
I know with a good overclock this 960 will catch up to a 280x. but if this 380x is gonna be much faster than a 280x and overclock well . I may cancel my order. But it will have to give me 80$ more performance for 250$, which is like 45% more than I paid.

 

[waffleironhead]

The specs are exactly the same. Just like my atom has 4 cores and my i7 Has 4 cores.

 

[happy medium]

is the Antigua chip the same as Tonga?
r9 285 vs r9 380, is that the same chip?

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-380-vs-Radeon-R9-285

 

[atticus14]

This is pretty much a broken record by now but... pretty much all launch MSRP prices are not impressive on both sides, this card will be down to its "real price" after a couple of months at most. As more deals start to trickle in on the 390 this thing will look absurd against, let's say, the semi common $299 powercolor with 20 rebate. This card will probably hover around 200(AR)-225, whenever the initial launch sales dwindle. This card will be more expensive, but should easily roast a 960 for a reasonable increase in cost once it hits the inevitable 15-30 price drop.

 

[happy medium]

but should easily roast a 960 for a reasonable increase in cost once it hits the inevitable 15-30 price drop.

for 250$ my 170$ 4gb gtx960 will roast it.

You are right I remember when the 2gb gtx960 launched at like 229$ like 6 months ago and everyone said nice card but overpriced.
I think AMD will need to get this card down at a little above 200$, any higher and the gtx970 will kill it.

 

[Mondozei]

This is pretty much a broken record by now but... pretty much all launch MSRP prices are not impressive on both sides, this card will be down to its "real price" after a couple of months at most. As more deals start to trickle in on the 390 this thing will look absurd against, let's say, the semi common $299 powercolor with 20 rebate. This card will probably hover around 200(AR)-225, whenever the initial launch sales dwindle. This card will be more expensive, but should easily roast a 960 for a reasonable increase in cost once it hits the inevitable 15-30 price drop.

Only for Murica. Here in Sweden, we get no such drastic deals. Still, I tell myself, I could do worse. I could live in either CAN or AU.

 

[waffleironhead]

is the Antigua chip the same as Tonga?
r9 285 vs r9 380, is that the same chip?

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-380-vs-Radeon-R9-285

This should help.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2436189

 

[happy medium]

This should help.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2436189

thanks.............

this is what it says...

"The R9 380 is the R9 285 with a few minor upgrades, but performance-wise the R9 380 shouldn't be much faster than the 3.5 year old HD 7950 as they both have the same core configuration. The R9 380 has a core and memory clock speed advantage but it also suffers one major disadvantage, which we'll get to shortly."

http://www.techspot.com/review/1019-radeon-r9-390x-390-380/

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" On the bright side, due to its higher core operating frequency, the R9 380 boasts higher fill rates and better compute performance. Still, if you were to overclock the R9 280 to match the R9 380 you should be rewarded with better performance"

SO the answer is the 380x will be very close to the 280x overclocked.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think that hole is shut...
the gtx970 had been fairly easy to find for under 280$ for weeks.

PowerColor PCS+ 290 and Sapphire Tri-X were $200 brand new almost 12 months ago. It was also very very easy to find a $250 R9 290X for months. See how super sales work?

I've seen 4gb gtx960's hovering around 180$ (I got mine for 170$ G1 gaming model) 2gb models for 160$. with a good easy overclock ,I will get 20% more performance then a stock 960.

SO the answer is the 380x will be very close to the 280x overclocked.

Ya, and a stock 280X is 30.6% faster than a 960 with 0 overclocking. 280X has been available for $185-190 for months, with lifetime warranty too. Never remember you bringing that up as a hot deal against any 960 though...

It would be a good deal @ 215$ if its a little faster than a 280x. It would be a great deal if it overclocks real nice.
.

Besides a $650 980Ti, not a single other card released in all of 2015 was a good deal at MSRP. Even if R9 380X was $199, the R9 290 can be had for $245 with $25 off $200 Amex deal. It's actually possible to get a reference 290 for $175.

Reference 290 is 67% faster than a 960 and 43% faster than the R9 380.

In addition to that, 290 will slaughter a 960 in Star Citizen and the same fate awaits the 380X.

For anyone in the US, 290 continues to be the best overall gaming card between $170 and $250, with very few exceptions. R9 380X will not change any of that. However, in the rest of the world where 290 is either more expensive or it's EOL, 380X with $10-20 price drop and $20 rebate will be a strong offering against the 960 which will lose badly.

A max overclocked 960 can't even beat an overclocked R9 380, nevermind 280X or 380X. Maybe NV will man up and release 960Ti, the card 960 should have been all along.

 

[happy medium]

PowerColor PCS+ 290 and Sapphire Tri-X were $200 brand new almost 12 months ago. It was also very very easy to find a $250 R9 290X for months. See how super sales work?





Ya, and a stock 280X is 30.6% faster than a 960 with 0 overclocking. 280X has been available for $185-190 for months, with lifetime warranty too. Never remember you bringing that up as a hot deal against any 960 though...



Besides a $650 980Ti, not a single other card released in all of 2015 was a good deal at MSRP. Even if R9 380X was $199, the R9 290 can be had for $245 with $25 off $200 Amex deal. It's actually possible to get a reference 290 for $175.

Reference 290 is 67% faster than a 960 and 43% faster than the R9 380.

In addition to that, 290 will slaughter a 960 in Star Citizen and the same fate awaits the 380X.

For anyone in the US, 290 continues to be the best overall gaming card between $170 and $250, with very few exceptions. R9 380X will not change any of that. However, in the rest of the world where 290 is either more expensive or it's EOL, 380X with $10-20 price drop and $20 rebate will be a strong offering against the 960 which will lose badly.

A max overclocked 960 can't even beat an overclocked R9 380, nevermind 280X or 380X. Maybe NV will man up and release 960Ti, the card 960 should have been all along.

I don't understand why you wrote all this?????

I was talking about the 380x 250$ price vs all cards on the market today.
At 250$ its not sell vs a 279$ gtx970 or be fast enough vs a 170$ 4gb gtx960. or be be fast enough over the normal 280x for 250$ after having so many 185$ 280x's out for so long as you said.

 

[Mondozei]

On page 6 in this thread, happy_medium is responsible for 9 replies. Honestly, there is such a thing called "spamming". It's one thing if you post 9 times in the entire thread and quite another if it's 9 times on a single page.

I hope there is stricter enforcement of this in the future.