That sounds a bit more sensible. If G80 consumes 200W and R600 consumes 250-300W, something has to be eating all that extra power!
That sounds a bit more sensible. If G80 consumes 200W and R600 consumes 250-300W, something has to be eating all that extra power!
not tem mention R600 uses a smaller die process and lower power consuming memory.
if those power figures are accurate ~~~ R600 is a monster
Cookie Monster
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The 512bit 1024MB GDDR4 could be eating half the power. More Vram the higher the power consumption. Bigger die space could also result in higher power consumption.
Rock Hydra
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GDDR4 consumes less compared to GDDR3.But if u take nvidias G80 with 768 MB GDDR3 or 1GB of GDDR4 as on the ATI card,the ATI card might/will consume more.
Still seeing the G80's specs,i think ATI will need to come up with somethin special to beat it.And hopefully it'll be priced lower.
Still seeing the G80's specs,i think ATI will need to come up with somethin special to beat it.And hopefully it'll be priced lower.
apoppin
Lifer
OK but let's say GDDR4 only consumes a modestly lower amount of power, ~10%, and they have 33% more memory compared to Nvidia (768MB to 1 gig) - that still doesn't account for the rumoured power consumption of ATI's beast being 50-100W higher than Nvidia.
If that latest Inquirer tidbit is true (and honestly, it's a crapshoot with INQ), and Nvidia's G80 die is larger than ATI's, then ATI might or might not be able to fit 128 unified shaders in their core, because we know that the internal 512-bit ring bus is a transister hog (from R520/R580). So ATI having 96 shaders would make a lot more sense.
But, remember, ATI is on a smaller manufacturing process - 80nm I believe, vs 90nm on Nvidia. So 128 shaders is an outside possibility, though 96 seems to make more sense to me.
What it looks like it's going to come down to is, Nvidia releases G80 with 128 shaders, 768MB of RAM on a 384-bit bus; ATI counters with R600 with 96 shaders, running at 10-25% higher clockspeed, 512MB of GDDR4, and then Nvidia promptly refreshes to G81.
I think you alone may be one of the only contributors to the Inquirer's lingering existence. Stop giving them hits and let that bsing site die!!
schneiderguy
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According to this guy
True 512-bit memoryinterface
1024 MB GDDR4 mem (1.25Ghz), bandwidth 160GB/s
80nm
Free 4xAA
True 512-bit memoryinterface
1024 MB GDDR4 mem (1.25Ghz), bandwidth 160GB/s
80nm
Free 4xAA
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: josh6079
I think you alone may be one of the only contributors to the Inquirer's lingering existence. Stop giving them hits and let that bsing site die!!
and yet you comment on it
:Q
:roll:
i believe theinq got the ATi 'takeover' right - first.
I didn't give their site another hit nor link their URL so that others could make the same mistake.Originally posted by: apoppin
and yet you comment on it
:Q
:roll:
True, after 100+ lies they do sometimes get something right. After their supposed 32 pipe G71 monster and fake Nvidia 16-bit pictures...they are just trash IMO. It's obvious that you don't mind reading (nor linking) their "news" and that's fine. I was just saying that because of people like you they're never going to change their informativness as long as their BS keeps getting their site hits, that's all. If you really wanted them to get better at providing accurate information, you would just stop giving them hits until they figure out that people don't like reading trash from Fraud's orfice.i believe theinq got the ATi 'takeover' right - first.
====================
That link goes to a thread with only 6 posts.
Which means the refreshes will be even sweeter!
That thread doesn't let me get to post 88 or 90. Maybe I need to register.
Holy poodle! wins rep points from me.
Holy poodle! wins rep points from me.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: josh6079
I didn't give their site another hit nor link their URL so that others could make the same mistake.Originally posted by: apoppin
and yet you comment on it
:Q
:roll:
True, after 100+ lies they do sometimes get something right. After their supposed 32 pipe G71 monster and fake Nvidia 16-bit pictures...they are just trash IMO. It's obvious that you don't mind reading (nor linking) their "news" and that's fine. I was just saying that because of people like you they're never going to change their informativness as long as their BS keeps getting their site hits, that's all. If you really wanted them to get better at providing accurate information, you would just stop giving them hits until they figure out that people don't like reading trash from Fraud's orfice.i believe theinq got the ATi 'takeover' right - first.
i didn't give them any hits unless someone wanted to.
i simply quoted theInq - their FIRST prediction about r600 vs g80 - r600 being FASTER
:Q
and your opinion of theinq will not affect my reading nor my posting style . . .
but thanks for mentionting it again
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Hmm.
So we have these tidbits to go on, but not a clue how each will perform. If the tidbits are close to factual, it will be a tough call.
R600: 96 unified shaders, 512-bit (not just ring bus but external to memory), 1GB GDDR4.
G80: (GTX) 128 unified shaders, 384-bit, 768MB GDDR3.
Well, bandwidth would for sure go to the R600. Pixel pushing power looks like it will go to G80. (This is based of number of shaders alone. Unknown how powerful each shader is for either R600 or G80.)
And that's about it for now.
So we have these tidbits to go on, but not a clue how each will perform. If the tidbits are close to factual, it will be a tough call.
R600: 96 unified shaders, 512-bit (not just ring bus but external to memory), 1GB GDDR4.
G80: (GTX) 128 unified shaders, 384-bit, 768MB GDDR3.
Well, bandwidth would for sure go to the R600. Pixel pushing power looks like it will go to G80. (This is based of number of shaders alone. Unknown how powerful each shader is for either R600 or G80.)
And that's about it for now.
SpeedZealot369
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So you never visited the page you linked?Originally posted by: apoppin
i didn't give them any hits unless someone wanted to.
Exactly. That remains to be seen and as of now that is just FUD.
Where did I say you posting style should change? I just made the comment that the Inquirer isn't going to stop posting it's normal uneducated guessings until they see that no one reads their ramblings. If you think I'm attacking your posting style then I'm sorry, you're wrong. Your posts are pretty enjoyable most of the time as well as different. I just think that people using Inquirer quotes for thread starters gets really old since all it does is provoke more trash to be spewed from their mouths.and your opinion of theinq will not affect my reading nor my posting style . . .
Think about it, if you got paid to make up something that was just barely believable and got paid even more for getting that barely believable claim to sell more magazines, get more site-hits, sell more productrs, etc. then would you stop making such claims?
Again, I simply mentioned that it seems your trying to defend the Inquirer or, if not them than your thread's existence.
Why did you make this thread?
Because the Inquirer said something about it.
Why do you give the Inquirer hits?
I don't, I "quote" them.
And how do you get those quotes?
...uh....
Just chill. I just gave my $.02 and if you think that it's not even worth that, then that's fine.
QFT. If G80 has an angle independent AF and HDR+AA support, ATI would have to answer with some sort of AA improvment. I just hope that they don't sacrifice AF quality to do it.
Eh, which ever one does better I could care less. As long as the prices fall due to the competition I'll be happy. I won't expect the G80 to really hit it's "true" price tag until R600.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: josh6079
So you never visited the page you linked?Originally posted by: apoppin
i didn't give them any hits unless someone wanted to.
Exactly. That remains to be seen and as of now that is just FUD.
Where did I say you posting style should change? I just made the comment that the Inquirer isn't going to stop posting it's normal uneducated guessings until they see that no one reads their ramblings. If you think I'm attacking your posting style then I'm sorry, you're wrong. Your posts are pretty enjoyable most of the time as well as different. I just think that people using Inquirer quotes for thread starters gets really old since all it does is provoke more trash to be spewed from their mouths.and your opinion of theinq will not affect my reading nor my posting style . . .
Think about it, if you got paid to make up something that was just barely believable and got paid even more for getting that barely believable claim to sell more magazines, get more site-hits, sell more productrs, etc. then would you stop making such claims?
Again, I simply mentioned that it seems your trying to defend the Inquirer or, if not them than your thread's existence.
Why did you make this thread?
Because the Inquirer said something about it.
Why do you give the Inquirer hits?
I don't, I "quote" them.
And how do you get those quotes?
...uh....
Just chill. I just gave my $.02 and if you think that it's not even worth that, then that's fine.
QFT. If G80 has an angle independent AF and HDR+AA support, ATI would have to answer with some sort of AA improvment. I just hope that they don't sacrifice AF quality to do it.
Eh, which ever one does better I could care less. As long as the prices fall due to the competition I'll be happy. I won't expect the G80 to really hit it's "true" price tag until R600.
are we absolutely certain that G80 shaders are actually "unified"?
i mean really unified like ATi's? this will be 2nd gen 'unified shaders' for ati and first for nvidia.
and yes, i DO read theInq and take it for what it is.... there are some things that are 'scooped' here first and not all of it belongs with the used kittly litter.
i don't link to theinq 'hidden' . . . and even took your advice to note the source in the Topic's summary and provide an alternate source --whenever possible. What more could you ask?
:Q
just don't ask me to stop posting what i find interesting . . . whatever the source . . . please ignore what you are not interested in . . . and if it turns out to be crap as many of my threads do . . . it will fall to the bottom quickly.
there is nothing worse than bringing more attention to crap by calling it crap
and i created 'that' thread because theInq brought up something i was interested in . . . it is a valid reason and certainly better than any flamethread.
edited
It means close to zero performance hit. Like how some people say there is "free" 2X AA on current gen cards.
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