Quick question: can you fit two MCR220s (mounted on edge) and a PSU in TJ07's bottom section?

[Rodknock]

True to form, I'm having second thoughts about my Stacker 810 for my watercooling project. Not for any real reason in terms of function or performance...I just can't bring myself to like the way it looks, so I'm thinking of contacting Newegg to see if I can return/exchange for a SS TJ07. I've started to really like the way that case looks (I guess we all love what we don't have) and when I had first rejected the TJ07 it was because I was still going to do a single loop, triple 120 radiator and I didn't think that setup would work well. Now that certain persuasive members have got me on the dual loop wagon, I'm wondering if you can, without extensive modification (if any), fit two MCR220s stacked on edge in the bottom compartment of the TJ07 while keeping the PSU in the stock location.

It seems like it should work at first glance, as people put a single dual 120 down there all the time. I'm thinking it will be a question of width more than length. I guess the setup would be:

Fan Rad Rad Fan for what I'm talking about. If space doesn't permit, I'm wondering if I can get away with one set of fans on one side either pushing or pulling for both radiators, but I'm betting two sets of fans would be ideal.

Help me DerwenArtos or Aigomorla, you're my only hope

 

[DerwenArtos12]

The short answer is yes.

The long answer is, you'll have to remove the hard drive racks, make small custom mounts out of angle aluminum or steel and mount the barbs at opposing ends with two full sets of fans, pulling air in, across the cpu radiator through the gpu radiator and then pushing out, ie fan radiator - radiator fan. and you'll want them spaced as far apart as you can.

 

[aigomorla]

the tj-07 is a wonderful case if you can afford it.

its very expensive as you can see


And yes it can fit even a 120x4 radiator in the bottom sideways.

 

[Rodknock]

The hard drive racks and mounts won't be a problem if that's the extent of modification necessary. I'm mainly concerned with the physical width-room down there for two rads, and from what you guys are saying it sounds like there should be no problem The 07's lower section appears to be very convenient. You can have the radiators almost completely cut off, temperature-wise, from the rest of the system. I think I'm going to contact Newegg today and see if I can either exchange my current case or outright return it and get the TJ07 despite its expense. It's one of the few cases that jumps out at me...in good way, heh

 

[Rodknock]

One more question: the folks that throw in 120x3 or even 120x4 radiators into the bottom compartment, where the hell do they put the PSU? The 07 has no stock top mount option for a PSU IIRC, and my apparently limited mind can't fathom where else is a good spot...

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Rodknock
One more question: the folks that throw in 120x3 or even 120x4 radiators into the bottom compartment, where the hell do they put the PSU? The 07 has no stock top mount option for a PSU IIRC, and my apparently limited mind can't fathom where else is a good spot...

I know from personal experience that a pair of PA120.3's will fit in the bottom with 25mm fans on both and a standard depth PSU, I don't know about a quad 120mm, haven't tried but, there was some room to spare with the 120.3's.

 

[aigomorla]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=159620


some inspiration. :T

 

[Rodknock]

Yeah...those setups look infinitely more badass than anything I've seen out of the Stacker camp. DEFINITELY going to return the 810 now and pick up the black windowed TJ07. It seems like whoever designed that thing certainly had watercooling in mind

 

[DerwenArtos12]

I hate that thread with a passion. It makes me want to spend money I don't have.

 

[PCTC2]

Yeah. You can fit a PA 120.3 AND a PA 120.2 down there with a PSU. I originally wanted to do that with my computer, but so many people use TJ07's for WC I wanted to be different and use a P190. .
Good luck with whatever you choose.

 

[Rodknock]

Dammit...should I return the MCR220s now (bought for the 810 project in lieu of two PA xxx based partially on the large size of the latter) and just run dual PA120.2s down there? Would I see that big of a performance increase in a dual loop setup simply from swapping the MCR220s for PA120.2s? My indecisiveness is maddening.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Rodknock
Dammit...should I return the MCR220s now (bought for the 810 project in lieu of two PA xxx based partially on the large size of the latter) and just run dual PA120.2s down there? Would I see that big of a performance increase in a dual loop setup simply from swapping the MCR220s for PA120.2s? My indecisiveness is maddening.

IMHO the PA12o's will perform about 10% better(at most) than the MCR's and cost about 300-400% the price. Thats bad math in my book.

EDT: plus with the width you're saving you may beable to run them both as intakes and have the slightly heated air swept up into the system and exhausted rather than running in one side and out the other. The only way to make that determination though is through actualy loaded testing.

 

[Rodknock]

Thanks for the heads up, it will save me from a substantial RMA headache, heh. I'm just trying really hard to get this done reasonably well the first time. I have a bad habit in most tech projects I undertake where when I'm finished, I regret not doing something just a bit better, buying a better component, etc.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Rodknock
Thanks for the heads up, it will save me from a substantial RMA headache, heh. I'm just trying really hard to get this done reasonably well the first time. I have a bad habit in most tech projects I undertake where when I'm finished, I regret not doing something just a bit better, buying a better component, etc.

Did you already buy your TJ-07? if not there are a few guys building water cooling set-ups in TJ-09s and there a little more uniqe IMHO and I just now noticed you already have one.

 

[Rodknock]

No I haven't bought the TJ07 yet, I'm starting the RMA on the Stacker 810 though. What did you have in mind with regards to the TJ09?

 

[PCTC2]

I'd say get the TJ07 with a PA 120.3 and MCR220. But that's just me.

 

[Rodknock]

That's a bit much for my purposes, I'm only cooling a Q6600 and an 8800gtx. One radiator per component. That's gotta be MORE than enough cooling. Dtek Fuzion on the CPU, and probably a Danger Den full cover on the GTX, although I have some ramsinks on there with the HR03 currently, so I may keep those on and just get a block to cover the core only. Two MCP655s. That's pushing 500 bucks right there. Plus the TJ07, 800. If 800 bucks isn't enough to compile a kick ass water setup, maybe I'm in the wrong hobby. Hell, I could throw an entire stainless steel turbo-back exhaust on my 335i for less than that if I shopped around.

Sorry but I just think a pa120.3 in addition to one MCR220 is a little on the ridiculous side. Just from a common sense perspective, I don't have any numerical proof or anything, but if vendors routinely put out systems that run as hot or hotter than mine, yet are only using a SINGLE MCR220, and I'm running *double* that and cooling only two components--no NB, no RAM, no drive cooling--my setup should do just fine...

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Two MCR220's is plenty, IMHO the PA series are just for bragging rights.

 

[Rodknock]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Two MCR220's is plenty, IMHO the PA series are just for bragging rights.

What were you referring to when you mentioned the TJ09 project(s)?

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Rodknock

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Two MCR220's is plenty, IMHO the PA series are just for bragging rights.

What were you referring to when you mentioned the TJ09 project(s)?

There is a Silverstone thread on XS and watching it there just seem to be a lot fewer people building in TJ09's. They're quite capable cases though they do require more work to set up the same watercooling set-up you can basically just drop into a TJ07. The TJ09 is come centered around air cooling though, I would certainly not say it's the highest perfoming air case made.

 

[Rodknock]

Yeah I'm not too big of a fan of the TJ09 in terms of different cooling options. The way the inside is set up (especially that center fan that's intended to blow over the video card), just makes it hard to set aside any substantial room for radiators, pumps, etc.

Derwen, I'm going to order the pumps tonight, I just want to make sure I'm buying the right sizing. Everything should be 1/2" right? Here is the exact link on FrozenCPU: http://www.frozencpu.com/produ...PH.html?tl=g30c107s155

I'm guessing I shouldn't bother with the variable-speed pump? That aside, as far as fitments go that is the correct one yes?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Rodknock
Yeah I'm not too big of a fan of the TJ09 in terms of different cooling options. The way the inside is set up (especially that center fan that's intended to blow over the video card), just makes it hard to set aside any substantial room for radiators, pumps, etc.

Derwen, I'm going to order the pumps tonight, I just want to make sure I'm buying the right sizing. Everything should be 1/2" right? Here is the exact link on FrozenCPU: http://www.frozencpu.com/produ...PH.html?tl=g30c107s155

I'm guessing I shouldn't bother with the variable-speed pump? That aside, as far as fitments go that is the correct one yes?

wait.... get the variable one. Its more powerful then the non variable. Because the non variable can only goto setting 4, while variable has setting 5.

Also.. any reason why your buying at frozencpu.com (are you the one that told me you had store credit there?) there kinda expensive.

Try these stores as well:

Jab-tech.com
Shoppts.com
Sidewindercomputers.com
svc.com

you need to shop around and see who has the bulk of what you need at the cheapest price, and then go from there. :T

 

[Rodknock]

I actually rarely buy from Frozen CPU, I go there because they usually have very good descriptions for the products they sell. I was planning on buying the 655 from Newegg, because it's pretty cheap and ships immediately.

About the pump though, is the variability worth the extra money, am I going to see measurable gains? Two 655 pumps isn't adequate enough?

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Rodknock
I actually rarely buy from Frozen CPU, I go there because they usually have very good descriptions for the products they sell. I was planning on buying the 655 from Newegg, because it's pretty cheap and ships immediately.

About the pump though, is the variability worth the extra money, am I going to see measurable gains? Two 655 pumps isn't adequate enough?

adequate probably, but for the minimal cost difference why not? If for no other reason to futureproof your set-up. I actually like the 655b adjustable so they can be turned down, especially in conjunction with nozzles on the cpu block, so there isn't so much heat dump from the pump into the fluid.

 

[aigomorla]

get the variable one.

The variable on setting 5 will = a DDC-3.2

The setting 4 wont. Having that lvl5 setting is just extra headroom incase you go more restrictive parts in the future.

Also, unless your based outside of cali, id go with one of the other vendors i recomended. Reason is the return and service on something if it goes bad. With the other vendors like jab-tech or petras, the store handles all the return for you.

I know Jab-tech will do the RMA for you if you bought the pump there. Should you ever need it. Or should it come DOA. [assuming YOU didnt break the pump]

As for that top piece dont bother, are you going 3/8id? Because 7/16ID tubing will fit over that pump outlet without any problems. Also 7/16ID masterkleer tubing is cheaper then 3/8id tubing. *shurg*