Quick Q on AMD "black editions"

[mcveigh]

Getting ready to build a new HTPC.
PC800 DDR2 ram
AMD 780G mobo ( GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H)
and what CPU???

I want a Phenom 9150 but they aren't available yet.

I'm looking at a 5000+ BE about $90
or 4000-4200+ for about $60

If I can do a little OC to it I would, but it's not essential.
It's been several years since I OC'd anything.

So with the BE the multiplier is unlocked and I have more room for adjustments??
the standard Athlin 64 X2 I can only play with the FSB?

anything I'm missing here?

 

[superstition]

are they worth the extra money to OC?

Doubtful.

 

[formulav8]

The cost for the 5000+ is well worth it. Many are getting 3ghz-3.4ghz pretty easily.

The 9850 phenoms are getting 3ghz and more if you don't mind fine tuning.

The 9600BE had a hard time doing more than 2.8ghz.


So, the 9850 and 5000+ BE's are definitely worth a couple extra bucks in my opinion.



Jason

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: formulav8
The cost for the 5000+ is well worth it. Many are getting 3ghz-3.4ghz pretty easily.

The 9850 phenoms are getting 3ghz and more if you don't mind fine tuning.

The 9600BE had a hard time doing more than 2.8ghz.


So, the 9850 and 5000+ BE's are definitely worth a couple extra bucks in my opinion.



Jason

Hmm he's using 780g mobo and 125w processors will break the mobo supposedly. So overclocked 3.4 BE could use that much. 780G mobo good for up to 89W supposedly.

 

[mcveigh]

it should be good to 95W it seems to be the 125W Phenoms that cause problems. I really hope Gary can release the review of them soon!

 

[Cookie Monster]

How about OCing the Phenom 9550? Seeing as the 9150e are still on the B2 stepping and no 780G boards to my knowledge can run an OCed 9850 BE.

 

[mcveigh]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
How about OCing the Phenom 9550? Seeing as the 9150e are still on the B2 stepping and no 780G boards to my knowledge can run an OCed 9850 BE.

money

trying to stay under $100

 

[OLpal]

Sounds like you've already got a pretty good plan for the amount of money available !
DDR2 800 ram 2gig $47
AMD 780G mobo ( GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H) $98 excellent choice
CPU X2 5000 Black $85 easy to X2 6000 speed oc you'll like it
Artic cooling pro 64 cpu cooler $20
ATI 3450 video $40 doubles your video in crossfire
Corsair HX520 watt P/S
If you buy from the egg ,, check out the combo pkgs to buy ; save good amount money !!
But just like the guys said don't plan on running 125 watt processors on that board !!

Keep us posted, what you decide !!

Ol'Pal

Originally posted by: mcveigh
Getting ready to build a new HTPC.
PC800 DDR2 ram
AMD 780G mobo ( GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H)
and what CPU???

I want a Phenom 9150 but they aren't available yet.

I'm looking at a 5000+ BE about $90
or 4000-4200+ for about $60

If I can do a little OC to it I would, but it's not essential.
It's been several years since I OC'd anything.

So with the BE the multiplier is unlocked and I have more room for adjustments??
the standard Athlin 64 X2 I can only play with the FSB?

anything I'm missing here?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Man how I'd absolutely love to see "black edition" Intel chips

 

[Sylvanas]

I will only ever be buying Black edition chips from AMD in the future.....this 5000+ BE has been so easy to OC and allows for wide range of different settings you can try to get the best OC with your components (no need to raise HTT which in turn raises mem frequency which brings in more variables into the equation). Also the 5000+ is a G2 stepping which has been seen to be clocking better than comparitive X2's. The 9850 BE is also the next step- unlocked NB,HT, Multiplier plenty of options there .

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Man how I'd absolutely love to see "black edition" Intel chips

Extreme Edition

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Man how I'd absolutely love to see "black edition" Intel chips

Extreme Edition

That's the "FX" equivalent, the key part of the "black edition" is clearly the extremely reasonable pricing

 

[WTurner]

I have an AMD BE CPU and I think it was worth the money, after all I paid a whopping $100 for it shipped to my door.

It does great in Winderz and plays all the games I want it to. I could have spent $500 on a quad core cpu (AMD or Intel) but I didn't think it was worth it for what I do.

 

[wally3434]

I have pretty much ur same setup... it was worth it but i got a sick deal on a cooler and the chip for less than 100. It runs right now at 3 gz with two clicks in the bios... pretty good stuff..

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: mcveigh
I'm looking at a 5000+ BE about $90
or 4000-4200+ for about $60

anything I'm missing here?

I think the major thing you're missing is how much faster the 5000 is than the 4000 or 4200, before you even start overclocking. It would be worth $30 more, whether it had an unlocked multi or not.

 

[Ebichan]

I don't think it's worth it since it's only an htpc.
Wouldn't the processor off load to the integrated graphics from the 780G anyways?

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Ebichan
I don't think it's worth it since it's only an htpc.
Wouldn't the processor off load to the integrated graphics from the 780G anyways?

Yes

single core sempron 3400+(? think it's the 3400+), anyways, bottom of the line chip, only $25, is enough even for blu-ray decoding, because it just has to unload to the chipset.

It's currently like 10x better than what intel has.

Now, if you want to do encoding as well......

 

[OLpal]

Wow Soccer ! Toms Hdwr. kinda makes your point here... X2 5000 vs. E4300 intel conroe....
http://www23.tomshardware.com/...3&model2=882&chart=440

I even like the way the X2 5000 Blacky stacks up to Phenom 9600

Ol'Pal

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Ebichan
I don't think it's worth it since it's only an htpc.
Wouldn't the processor off load to the integrated graphics from the 780G anyways?

Yes

single core sempron 3400+(? think it's the 3400+), anyways, bottom of the line chip, only $25, is enough even for blu-ray decoding, because it just has to unload to the chipset.

It's currently like 10x better than what intel has.

Now, if you want to do encoding as well......

 

[mcveigh]

it's a HTPC but also my main one for email and net surfing etc.

I want to try some encoding as well. plus some HD videos that aren't encoded right can't be handled by hardware.
anyways. I ordered the 5000 BE antoher 2GB ram (so 4GB total) 500GB WD GP 5400rpm hard drive some AS5 and this cooler: http://www.directron.com/slsfmedia.html

I'll post how it performs. Thanks everyone!

 

[bfdd]

quick quesiton myself if you plan on OCing why are you planning to go AMD when intel quads are so easy to oc?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: bfdd
quick quesiton myself if you plan on OCing why are you planning to go AMD when intel quads are so easy to oc?

Cost I would imagine...

 

[OLpal]

Some people just want to support & be loyal to the folks who got us here !!

Me iv'e got my AMD systems & iv'e also gone to the dark-side for the fabulous E8400..
Now i'm trying to plan a X4 9850 Blacky build !!

Without AMD you'd still be paying $3000 for pentium 3 750mhz

Ol'Pal

besides the Phenom is a True Quad Core, unlike intel !!! & the 9850 blacky , does just fine so far !!

Originally posted by: bfdd
quick quesiton myself if you plan on OCing why are you planning to go AMD when intel quads are so easy to oc?

 

[bfdd]

Got you here? Got you where? Also, Viditor the Black Edition Phenoms from what I understand aren't very cheap are they? I mean sure the Dual cores are but not the Phenoms, not comparable to the Q6600 when you bring up OCing. Also, OLpal I saved up just to build a new AMD rig when the original Athlon came out and was rocking a 800mhz for quite awhile till I upgraded to a slightly faster clocked Duron when those first came out and was OCing that beast. Had an Athlon XP, after that I went back to Intel for a 2.4ghz P4 because I got it free with mobo and ram. First Intel machine since an early P3 my parents bought me.

Also, TRUE QUAD CORE? Lets see they both have 4 functioning cores, they're both single socket solutions. Now the difference comes to how the cores are assembled 4 cores on 1 die or 2 dies with 2 cores each. It's been shown that 4 on 1 die have no real advantage ov erthe Intel design and the intel design quads are faster clock for clock most the time and when you bring up OCing they go much further.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: bfdd
Got you here? Got you where? Also, Viditor the Black Edition Phenoms from what I understand aren't very cheap are they? I mean sure the Dual cores are but not the Phenoms, not comparable to the Q6600 when you bring up OCing. Also, OLpal I saved up just to build a new AMD rig when the original Athlon came out and was rocking a 800mhz for quite awhile till I upgraded to a slightly faster clocked Duron when those first came out and was OCing that beast. Had an Athlon XP, after that I went back to Intel for a 2.4ghz P4 because I got it free with mobo and ram. First Intel machine since an early P3 my parents bought me.

Also, TRUE QUAD CORE? Lets see they both have 4 functioning cores, they're both single socket solutions. Now the difference comes to how the cores are assembled 4 cores on 1 die or 2 dies with 2 cores each. It's been shown that 4 on 1 die have no real advantage ov erthe Intel design and the intel design quads are faster clock for clock most the time and when you bring up OCing they go much further.

The BE 5000+ he's looking at is $95...obviously none of the apps he wants to use takes advantage of 4 cores (most don't).

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Viditor
The BE 5000+ he's looking at is $95...obviously none of the apps he wants to use takes advantage of 4 cores (most don't).

Actually, nearly all video encoding apps these days can fully utilize four cores. That's really the one "thing" consumers do with computers where a quad-core will almost always be beneficial. And yes, I know they cost more, which is why I don't blame him for getting a 5000 BE.