Quick Q on AMD "black editions"

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Viditor
The BE 5000+ he's looking at is $95...obviously none of the apps he wants to use takes advantage of 4 cores (most don't).

Actually, nearly all video encoding apps these days can fully utilize four cores. That's really the one "thing" consumers do with computers where a quad-core will almost always be beneficial. And yes, I know they cost more, which is why I don't blame him for getting a 5000 BE.

Agreed...that's the only app I could think of as well.

 

[byronm]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Viditor
The BE 5000+ he's looking at is $95...obviously none of the apps he wants to use takes advantage of 4 cores (most don't).

Actually, nearly all video encoding apps these days can fully utilize four cores. That's really the one "thing" consumers do with computers where a quad-core will almost always be beneficial. And yes, I know they cost more, which is why I don't blame him for getting a 5000 BE.

Soon enough though i hope Intel/ATI get off their butts and make publicly (consumer) available encoders that use the processing power of the GPU. No matter how scalable you make the CPU it won't compare to the dedicated streaming/parallel processing power of the GPU for graphics work.

I know there are some expensive systems out there that do it now and i just did a conf call with Nvidia on a package they're working on but knowing nvidia it will cost an arm and a leg and probably a toe or two.

The future is going to be more of a core to pipeline ratio graphics/processing wise - basically enough CPU to feed your GPU/Physics processor and keep the ram/hdd bottle neck at bay.

 

[mcveigh]

Originally posted by: bfdd
quick quesiton myself if you plan on OCing why are you planning to go AMD when intel quads are so easy to oc?

1) money
2) the AMD 780G chipset is the best HTPC board currently. I was going to wait for the G45 and Nvidia 8200/8300 boards to come out but they keep getting delayed.
therefore to use the 780G boards I have to use AMD.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: bfdd
quick quesiton myself if you plan on OCing why are you planning to go AMD when intel quads are so easy to oc?

The AMD 780G is way better then any Intel integrated stuff. Also, if it's a HTPC, how much horsepower do you need? This sub-$100 processor will handle everything with ease and run pretty cool.

 

[bfdd]

Yea the 780G is a great chipset, I wasn't argueing that =) If it's for an HTPC again how far are you going to push the OC? I wouldn't go anywhere near the levels that require aftermarket cooling. I put a E2140 in mine and got a mATX board for free and it's running 266fsb with 1.18v and just put a hd2600XT in it for the video decoding and hdmi out w/ sound.

 

[mcveigh]

if tis was a dedicated HTPConly I would have gone with BE-2350, or a phenom to open up more options forr post processing with a faster HT bus.
I also use this as my regular PC. i want t play a little to see what kind of OC I can get out of it. I also want to see if I can up the HT bus and see if that gives me more options.

 

[bfdd]

So you're going to use the integrated gpu? If then cool, but I donno I'm not building another AMD rig till their ocing capability and clock to clock is closer to intels. Right now I just don't see a point in building an AMD rig unless you're trying to be budget and no oc.

 

[WTurner]

Originally posted by: bfdd
So you're going to use the integrated gpu? If then cool, but I donno I'm not building another AMD rig till their ocing capability and clock to clock is closer to intels. Right now I just don't see a point in building an AMD rig unless you're trying to be budget and no oc.

My budget AMD CPU overclocks just fine.

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: WTurner

Originally posted by: bfdd
So you're going to use the integrated gpu? If then cool, but I donno I'm not building another AMD rig till their ocing capability and clock to clock is closer to intels. Right now I just don't see a point in building an AMD rig unless you're trying to be budget and no oc.

My budget AMD CPU overclocks just fine.

So does a budget Intel system. You can't use mobo prices are cheaper for AMD anymore because you can get Intel mobos just as cheap, you can't say their budget cpus are better if you plan on overclocking because a e2160 can hit 3-3.6ghz so it's going to be clock to clock faster than the AMD dual core you oc to similar range(if they can even get that high) so where are we going to say it's better to build an AMD budget OCer over an Intel? The only reason anyone would do it is they already had a mobo or CPU or they're a fanboy. I'm not loyal to either side I want what I can afford is the best and I DO overclock, you shouldn't be loyal to a certain company because you see one is "evil" guess what they're both in the game for the SAME thing money and if AMD was the big boy and intel was the small boy you bet they'd of acted the same way. Hell the only reason I never built a X2 machine after my P4 2.4(which I got for free I was perfectly happy with my oc'd duron) was because of how crazy the prices were when AMD held the performance crown.

 

[The Bakery]

For what it's worth - My 5000+ be sits at 40c idle - 55c load STOCK.

Edit - 55c after 20 min in Orthos.

This is with an AC Freezer Pro64 and AS5 confirmed well seated and
with a well ventilated case. No incorrect voltages, etc.

40c idle and 65c+ load with an AMD 3800+ stock heatsink.

Based on my experience, I would make sure that you have a good
case flow and cooling solution to overclock this chip.

 

[Cookie Monster]

The thing is, anyone can pop in a non expensive discrete graphics card to do all the hardware acceleration for video playback and also for casual gaming. BUT it comes at an additional cost no matter how inexpensive.

Having a 780G or 8200/8300 means all the above for no extra cost. These IGP solutions are as fast as some of the low end discrete solutions, while you have intel's IGP solution that cant even render UT3 properly or break the 5 fps barrier.]

Thats why its perfect for HTPCs or any low end PCs, and when tri cores hit the market and pairing those with these boards are going to be one hell of a combo for the price you pay.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The thing is, anyone can pop in a non expensive discrete graphics card to do all the hardware acceleration for video playback and also for casual gaming. BUT it comes at an additional cost no matter how inexpensive.

Having a 780G or 8200/8300 means all the above for no extra cost. These IGP solutions are as fast as some of the low end discrete solutions, while you have intel's IGP solution that cant even render UT3 properly or break the 5 fps barrier.]

Thats why its perfect for HTPCs or any low end PCs, and when tri cores hit the market and pairing those with these boards are going to be one hell of a combo for the price you pay.

I would agree with caveats...we don't know how the tri-cores will perform and we don't know what they will cost.
They sound good on paper (at least to me they do), but so did the early P4s and the early Phenoms...and we know what happened there!

 

[Cookie Monster]

Im assuming Tri-Cores i.e the 8x50 series (they are all B3s i believe hence the bolded part) are going to be further priced below the Phenom X4s. Im more interested in performance though, and just how that one core can affect overall performance.

 

[mcveigh]

INcase anyone is wondering another reason I'm hoping to get away with integrated graphics is that I'd like to use the PCIe slot for other things than graphics. like another TV tuner

 

[OLpal]

Well bfdd, looks like your running a pretty fast system there & you come ol'school like me !! Days of Commodore 64, tandy 1000, pentium 66, pentium 100, 266 333, AMD 600, 1.2, 1.8, Athlon 64 3000, & Intel #8400.. There's more but brain cloud has overcast !!!

My point was till AMD stepped up to the plate big time around Athlon 600, intel was dragging it's feet & charging up the yazoo for computer parts...
Competition has brought us better chipset, processors, motherboards, video cards & everything else as they have evolved because of AMD applying competition & bringing us better parts !!

THAT MY FRIEND, is why i say say "GOT US HERE" if you don't agree that's your right, just do it with a open mind & not as a Intel Fan Boy !!

I have a hunch this Quad war is far from over.. The 9850 X4 Blacky is a step in the right direction,, but they still need to get their 45nm process to be more competitive with intel..
Beat the HEAT & OC'n will come..
& this integrated 3200 video chipset & the SB700 south bridge ot these newer motherboards will kick some OEM ass !!

Hope you enjoy your Xeon 3110 system as that's a cool setup !!!! Not to hot on those motherboards though !! Good luck with that !!

Ol'Pal

Originally posted by: bfdd
Got you here? Got you where? Also, Viditor the Black Edition Phenoms from what I understand aren't very cheap are they? I mean sure the Dual cores are but not the Phenoms, not comparable to the Q6600 when you bring up OCing. Also, OLpal I saved up just to build a new AMD rig when the original Athlon came out and was rocking a 800mhz for quite awhile till I upgraded to a slightly faster clocked Duron when those first came out and was OCing that beast. Had an Athlon XP, after that I went back to Intel for a 2.4ghz P4 because I got it free with mobo and ram. First Intel machine since an early P3 my parents bought me.

Also, TRUE QUAD CORE? Lets see they both have 4 functioning cores, they're both single socket solutions. Now the difference comes to how the cores are assembled 4 cores on 1 die or 2 dies with 2 cores each. It's been shown that 4 on 1 die have no real advantage ov erthe Intel design and the intel design quads are faster clock for clock most the time and when you bring up OCing they go much further.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Intel has pretty nice cpu's now and i'm getting ready to get my E8500 or Q9450 (still deciding). Just got the 9850 BE and it's a great great CPU, so smooth, fast and fun to tweak.

Like OLpal said, without this fierce competition we wouldn't be able to afford such beasts.

 

[najames]

I wouldn't hesitate getting the Black Edition, may get one myself today. I just read an article stating they overclocked to 3.1Ghz and the CPU was only using 75W compared to 65W at stock speed.

These CPUs are easy to keep cool. I have a 5000 in a little MicroFly case and it runs about 33C during listening to music, surfing, etc with a factory heatsink. I usually run them undervolted and a little overclocked. Temps are read from the display on the case, probe on CPU. It seems to be accurate, or at least match the BIOS, except the reaction is a little slower on the display.

For $89 at the Egg, you can't really go wrong. I am thinking of a Biostar TA780G board for 6 Sata, onboard video, should make a nice HTPC box/server.

I'm also considering a Quad 9550 if I knew the BIOS would read it ok. Quads power consumption is higher though.

 

[bfdd]

Olpal, I'm not disagreeing the competiton wasn't nice, what I disagree with is the way you made it sound like AMD did it for us. They didn't do it for us, they did it for themselves, we just happened to benefit. This "war" isn't to give us the best, it's to make money, when we get good products that's just a side effect. Like I pointed out, what did AMD do when they had the performance crown? Did they keep things cheap in order to help us out? Or did prices get inflated to line their pockets? First system I ever had was a AMD 386, I'm not that old only 23 heh so I missed the Commodore 64 days and what not.

 

[Pederv]

Originally posted by: OLpal
Well bfdd, looks like your running a pretty fast system there & you come ol'school like me !! Days of Commodore 64, tandy 1000, pentium 66, pentium 100, 266 333, AMD 600, 1.2, 1.8, Athlon 64 3000, & Intel #8400.. There's more but brain cloud has overcast !!!

My point was till AMD stepped up to the plate big time around Athlon 600, intel was dragging it's feet & charging up the yazoo for computer parts...
Competition has brought us better chipset, processors, motherboards, video cards & everything else as they have evolved because of AMD applying competition & bringing us better parts !!

THAT MY FRIEND, is why i say say "GOT US HERE" if you don't agree that's your right, just do it with a open mind & not as a Intel Fan Boy !!

I have a hunch this Quad war is far from over.. The 9850 X4 Blacky is a step in the right direction,, but they still need to get their 45nm process to be more competitive with intel..
Beat the HEAT & OC'n will come..
& this integrated 3200 video chipset & the SB700 south bridge ot these newer motherboards will kick some OEM ass !!

Hope you enjoy your Xeon 3110 system as that's a cool setup !!!! Not to hot on those motherboards though !! Good luck with that !!

Ol'Pal

C64!?

Were you rich?

Some of us were starving students and could only afford a VIC20.