I'm sure Obama was aware, as virtually every person over the age of 7 in Illinois was, that Blagovich was a corrupt political hack, which in a place like Chitown means being very corrupt indeed. But I'm also confident that Obama has generally been spectacularly good at knowing how to run in some dirty circles while keeping himself clean. He may interact with the occasional shady motherfucker, as one must in politics nearly everywhere but especially in Chicago, but he never actually does any business or makes any moves or even publicly says anything that isn't completely above board. He's very, very good at using people until they become liabilities in any way, then discarding them without so much as a speck on him. Its not so much that Obama is great at hiding corrupt stuff he's done as it is he's great at being successful without doing corrupt stuff. I don't think this is because he's some sort of saint. I'm sure the man has as many personal and petty and vain parts to his soul as all of us, and especially politicians, do. I just think he realizes that it's better, on all fronts including personal wealth, to be the CEO of Google than it is to be Ken Lay. Eyes on the prize. Up until now the prize was the presidency. Now its being the best president ever. Because it's good for America and the world, sure. But also because the best president ever will be vastly richer and more powerful than any small time machine crook like Blago (or, say, Nixon. if you wanna get Presidentia) ever could be.
This will not touch Obama. At worst its another Rezko moment. Nothing wrong, just "associations". The thing is, nobody except diehard Republicans gave a shit about associations when Obama was running for President. They certainly aren't gonna care now that he's actually in charge and running shit. And they really, really are not gonna care in 2012 when he's been President for 4 years. If by then, Repblicans are still stuck talking about Blago, then Obama will have done a fantastic job and will be reelected in a landslide. It'd be like dredging up Wright again or something.
Now, I suppose you could fret that Republicans will try to block Obama's health care and infrastructure initiatives early on if they feel that this has given them an opening, except they have such a loose foothold in congress and the Senate that any meaningful opposition would require some serious organizing and rallying. but so far I have seen almost no Republican public officials lay the groundwork for any serious congressional resistance to Obama's announced plans. And, unless this somehow magically hits so hard it knocks Obama like 40 points in approval rating, he's still going to be vastly more popular than any Republican on Capitol Hill. So, even in the immediate, get-shit-done-right-away phase, this still won't matter.
This will not touch Obama. At worst its another Rezko moment. Nothing wrong, just "associations". The thing is, nobody except diehard Republicans gave a shit about associations when Obama was running for President. They certainly aren't gonna care now that he's actually in charge and running shit. And they really, really are not gonna care in 2012 when he's been President for 4 years. If by then, Repblicans are still stuck talking about Blago, then Obama will have done a fantastic job and will be reelected in a landslide. It'd be like dredging up Wright again or something.
Now, I suppose you could fret that Republicans will try to block Obama's health care and infrastructure initiatives early on if they feel that this has given them an opening, except they have such a loose foothold in congress and the Senate that any meaningful opposition would require some serious organizing and rallying. but so far I have seen almost no Republican public officials lay the groundwork for any serious congressional resistance to Obama's announced plans. And, unless this somehow magically hits so hard it knocks Obama like 40 points in approval rating, he's still going to be vastly more popular than any Republican on Capitol Hill. So, even in the immediate, get-shit-done-right-away phase, this still won't matter.
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The original report of their meeting
Follow up report stating Obama did meet with the Gov. about the senate seat
Edit: I hear there is now a retraction from the tv station saying they new nothing of the meeting, Ill post it when I find it. (note that the first article linked seems to be writen by the stations news director)
Edit2: Here is the retraction
KHQA TV wishes to offer clarification regarding a story that appeared last month on our website ConnectTristates.com. The story, which discussed the appointment of a replacement for President Elect Obama?in the U.S. Senate, became the subject of much discussion on talk radio and on blog sites Wednesday.
The story housed in our website archive was on the morning of November 5, 2008. It suggested that a meeting was scheduled later that day between President Elect Obama and Illinois Governor Blagojevich. KHQA has no knowledge that any meeting ever took place. Governor Blagojevich did appear at a news conference in Chicago on that date.
Seems their second article contradicts that. At the very least it seems he was supposed to meet with him about it (kinda dosent jive with the "no contact" claim)
Follow up report stating Obama did meet with the Gov. about the senate seat
Edit: I hear there is now a retraction from the tv station saying they new nothing of the meeting, Ill post it when I find it. (note that the first article linked seems to be writen by the stations news director)
Edit2: Here is the retraction
KHQA TV wishes to offer clarification regarding a story that appeared last month on our website ConnectTristates.com. The story, which discussed the appointment of a replacement for President Elect Obama?in the U.S. Senate, became the subject of much discussion on talk radio and on blog sites Wednesday.
The story housed in our website archive was on the morning of November 5, 2008. It suggested that a meeting was scheduled later that day between President Elect Obama and Illinois Governor Blagojevich. KHQA has no knowledge that any meeting ever took place. Governor Blagojevich did appear at a news conference in Chicago on that date.
Seems their second article contradicts that. At the very least it seems he was supposed to meet with him about it (kinda dosent jive with the "no contact" claim)
http://www.connecttristates.co...s_story.aspx?id=233822
Their clarification. They did not know of any meeting that took place. Loosar fails yet again.
Their clarification. They did not know of any meeting that took place. Loosar fails yet again.
AAjax
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But they did say it took place, and prior that it was going to take place. (see second article link) But hey, they could be wrong.
Edit: Check out the comment at the bottom of the second article
"I was in the audience at another time when Director of VA Duckworth visited Quincy and was quite impressed. I do think she would be a good choice for Obama's replacement in the US Senate.
Is there a way we can influence the governor's decision?"
I lol'd
Okay, so we can take their word for it. :roll: In fact, just two days ago Blagojevich responded to questions saying he has never done anything illegal.
Get a fucking brain. ATOT is full of stupid. But my gosh, AT P&N is not only full of stupid, but full of people who go through such great lengths to show how stupid they are.
Come on, if the Texas governor were arrested in 2004, all you would have been up in arms against Bush. Anyone playing innocent here is lying. And everyone knows it too. Just a shame it has to be spelled out.
colonel
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The GOP is a disgrace to the country. The Republican party is of course dishonestly trying to link Obama to Blago. The fact that the Republican appointed prosecutor publicly states Obama and his team aren't involved means nothing to them. The conservatives get it, politics isn't about kissy face and playing nice, it is a brutal business. They are trying to destroy Obama before he ever takes office, on lies about his ancestry, and on innuendo. There is no trick they won't play, down to trying to overturn the election on racist and frivolous suits on Obama's ancestry. Wake up, these people dont care about country, family, flag, wait and see.
This is a forum for discussion, Chicago style, with plenty of name calling and lots of "yeah, fuck you, bitch", and other colorful verbosity. Like I said, so what? Everyone here didn't go to Harvard Law, like you apparently think you did.
You won't start a fire with ice.
-Robert
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You couldn't be more wrong. Harvey and I have exchanged some decent and reasonable PM's tonight. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I have this high and mighty image of myself, although I do appreciate when someone points out a real character flaw of mine.
Calling names is just simply not how I deal with people, in real life or in internet life (unless I know them very well and they realize that I'm half kidding). Even when people are total assholes to me, I maintain my composure.
You must read more P&N threads than you post in, but obviously, you haven't paid attention to the crimes the Bushwhackos have committed against the citizens of the United States of America and the world in the past eight years, or you wouldn't be making stupid remarks about the obvious meaning behind calling Bush Traitor In Chief.
I can give you at least two different, sound legal theories to prosecute the Bushies for murder. Establishing a strict construction for the crime of treason is a little more difficult but not beyond reasonable interpretation of the applicable laws.
After eight years, they shredded the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under our once honored, once meaninful Constitution. The've left us with 4200+ troops dead and tens of thousands wounded and trillions of dollars of debt from their illegal war in Iraq, trillions more debt from the financial collapse due to their failure to oversee the corrupt financial system, and they've left our infrastucture in shambles.
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Good job, Bushie! (Tags added because you're probably too dense to get it.)
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Dave's cool, he's got the balls to put his unvarnised opinion out there, and whether or not you like the way he says it, he's usually right. I'd be proud to call him brother. :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: Harvey
Dave's cool, he's got the balls to put his unvarnised opinion out there, and whether or not you like the way he says it, he's usually right. I'd be proud to call him brother. :thumbsup:
Wow, just wow, when ones opinion can't sink much lower of you....you raise the bar! "Usually right" lol...
Well maybe someday you two can share the same cell at the looney bin, or jail, wherever you end up first.
Does explain why he's allowed to troll on basically every single post though.
KK
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You got me. :roll: How old are you again?
Originally posted by: Harvey
Dave's cool, he's got the balls to put his unvarnised opinion out there, and whether or not you like the way he says it, he's usually right. I'd be proud to call him brother. :thumbsup:
There's a difference between putting an opinion out there and what dave does. And it doesn't take balls to do it either, just lots of tinfoil.
JohnOfSheffield
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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Harvey
Dave's cool, he's got the balls to put his unvarnised opinion out there, and whether or not you like the way he says it, he's usually right. I'd be proud to call him brother. :thumbsup:
Wow, just wow, when ones opinion can't sink much lower of you....you raise the bar! "Usually right" lol...
Well maybe someday you two can share the same cell at the looney bin, or jail, wherever you end up first.
Does explain why he's allowed to troll on basically every single post though.
I have Harveys back on this one, because you diagree doesn't mean shit.
Besides, you do the exact same thing, offer your own opinion and that is all Dave is doing too, you're complaining about too much freedom of speech.
Think about it.
JohnOfSheffield
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Originally posted by: KK
You got me. :roll: How old are you again?
Originally posted by: Harvey
Dave's cool, he's got the balls to put his unvarnised opinion out there, and whether or not you like the way he says it, he's usually right. I'd be proud to call him brother. :thumbsup:
There's a difference between putting an opinion out there and what dave does. And it doesn't take balls to do it either, just lots of tinfoil.
No, it requires what you lack, critisism of the powers that are, Dave might be a yahoo but he's no conspiratory analyst like others on here are when they find it convenient, you included.
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