Questions Arise About the Obama/Blagojevich Relationship

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http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...2/questions-arise.html

"Obviously like the rest of the people of Illinois I am saddened and sobered by the news that came out of the US attorney's office today," said President-elect Obama this afternoon in Chicago, speaking of the criminal complaint against Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich for corruption. "But as this is a ongoing investigation involving the governor I don't think it would be appropriate for me to comment on the issue at this time."

Asked what contact he'd had with the governor's office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a "kingmaker," Axelrod said, "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them."

There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

But there remain questions about how Blagojevich knew that Mr. Obama was not willing to give him anything in exchange for the Senate seat -- with whom was Blagojevich speaking? Did that person report the governor to the authorities?

And, it should be pointed out, Mr. Obama has a relationship with Mr. Blagojevich, having not only endorsed Blagojevich in 2002 and 2006, but having served as a top adviser to the Illinois governor in his first 2002 run for the state house.

That 2002 endorsement came at the same time that Axelrod had such serious concerns about whether Blagojevich was ready for governing he refused to work for his one-time client.

According to Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., Mr. Obama's incoming White House chief of staff, Emanuel, then-state senator Obama, a third Blagojevich aide, and Blagojevich's campaign co-chair, David Wilhelm, were the top strategists of Blagojevich's 2002 gubernatorial victory.

Emanuel told the New Yorker earlier this year that he and Obama "participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod was running for governor. We basically laid out the general election, Barack and I and these two."

Wilhelm said that Emanuel had overstated Obama's role. "There was an advisory council that was inclusive of Rahm and Barack but not limited to them," Wilhelm said, and he disputed the notion that Obama was "an architect or one of the principal strategists."

(An Obama Transition Team aide emails to note that Emanuel later changed his recollection of this story to Rich Miller's "CAPITOL FAX," saying, "David [Wilhelm] and I have worked together on campaigns for decades. Like always, he's right and I'm wrong.")

Either way, others now around Obama were less enthusiastic about Blagojevich at the time, namely David Axelrod, Obama's senior campaign adviser who will soon be a senior adviser at the White House.

Axelrod had worked for Blagojevich in his past races for the House, but he declined to work on his gubernatorial run.

"He had been my client and I had a very good relationship with him, but I didn't sign on to the governor's race," Axelrod told the New Yorker. "Obviously he won, but I had concerns about it...I was concerned about whether he was ready for that. Not so much for the race but for governing. I was concerned about some of the folks -- I was concerned about how the race was being approached."

On the Chicago TV show "Public Affairs with Jeff Berkowitz" on June 27, 2002, state Sen. Obama said, "Right now, my main focus is to make sure that we elect Rod Blagojevich as Governor, we..."

"You working hard for Rod?" interrupted Berkowitz.

"You betcha," said Obama.

"Hot Rod?" asked the host.

"That's exactly right," Obama said.

In 2004, then-Gov. Blagojevich enthusiastically endorsed Obama for the Senate seat after he won the nomination, and Obama endorsed Blagojevich for his 2006 re-election race in early 2005.

In the Summer of 2006, then-U.S. Sen. Obama backed Blagojevich even though there were serious questions at the time about Blago's hiring practices.

At the time, numerous state agencies had had records subpoenaed, with U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald telling authorities he was looking into "very serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" with a "number of credible witnesses."

In an interview with the Chicago Daily Herald in July 2006, then-Sen. Obama said, "I have not followed closely enough what's been taking place in these investigations to comment on them. Obviously I'm concerned about reports that hiring practices at the state weren't, at times, following appropriate procedures. How high up that went, the degree at which the governor was involved, is not something I'm going to speculate on.

"If I received information that made me believe that any Democrat had not been acting in the public interest, I'd be concerned," Obama said.

That said, Mr. Obama said, "If the governor asks me to work on his behalf, I'll be happy to do it."

Apparently the governor did. At the Illinois State Fair in August 2006, Obama spoke on Blagojevich's behalf.

"We've got a governor in Rod Blagojevich who has delivered consistently on behalf of the people of Illinois," Obama told the crowd.

In January 2007, Blagojevich's office reserved the Old State Capitol for Mr. Obama's presidential announcement at Obama's request.



Not surprising that the 2 of them are closely linked, I guess. They've been best buddies for a long time.

I wonder when we'll be seeing Hot Rod in Washington.
 

JS80

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lol @ politico comment:

Let me get this straight. He said it and now he says he didn't say it because having said it then will mean what Obama said today isn't what Axelrod said already a month ago. Phew....
 

StageLeft

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What a surprise, loser 111 on the witch hunt. Nevermind the fact that this governor has already cursed Obama for not playing along, literally came out and cursed him for it, it doesn't matter, you will search for whatever the taint in your heart is appeased by. For shame!
 

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There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

Obama NOOOOOOOOO!

Scandal!
 

Rainsford

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Yeah, the lame smearing Obama by association attack didn't work the last several dozen times, maybe it's that magic 37th time that will do the trick. Honestly I can't tell if the winnar111 brand of Republicans are getting dumber or just louder, but in either case, I wish they'd at LEAST try to come up with better arguments.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

Obama NOOOOOOOOO!

Scandal!

Anybody with at least half a brain should have stopped reading right there, as it tells the entire story.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

Obama NOOOOOOOOO!

Scandal!

Anybody with at least half a brain should have stopped reading right there, as it tells the entire story.
I must have 3/4 of a brain; I didn't read beyond the title. I just assumed that his post would be full of rubbish.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

Obama NOOOOOOOOO!

Scandal!

Anybody with at least half a brain should have stopped reading right there, as it tells the entire story.
I must have 3/4 of a brain; I didn't read beyond the title. I just assumed that his post would be full of rubbish.

Good point. "Questions arise" is code for "I want something to be an issue, but it's not, so I'm going to pretend it is and hope nobody notices". It's phrased as a disclaimer of responsibility (note the imprecise wording as to WHO is raising those questions) even though it's clearly the person writing this who's raising the questions.

The reason he, and winnar111, use this approach is that if they made it obvious that they were trying to invent an issue, the burden of proof would be on them. But if questions are arising all by themselves, well then they clearly can't be held responsible for bringing it up, now can they? It's not a bad strategy, and a vital one if you have no facts and/or the debating skills of a lemur.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

Obama NOOOOOOOOO!

Scandal!

Anybody with at least half a brain should have stopped reading right there, as it tells the entire story.
I must have 3/4 of a brain; I didn't read beyond the title. I just assumed that his post would be full of rubbish.

Good point. "Questions arise" is code for "I want something to be an issue, but it's not, so I'm going to pretend it is and hope nobody notices". It's phrased as a disclaimer of responsibility (note the imprecise wording as to WHO is raising those questions) even though it's clearly the person writing this who's raising the questions.

The reason he, and winnar111, use this approach is that if they made it obvious that they were trying to invent an issue, the burden of proof would be on them. But if questions are arising all by themselves, well then they clearly can't be held responsible for bringing it up, now can they? It's not a bad strategy, and a vital one if you have no facts and/or the debating skills of a lemur.
Classic FUD approach :)

 

umbrella39

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I was wondering which nutbag would be the first to try and tie Obama to this. We have a WINNAR!
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

Obama NOOOOOOOOO!

Scandal!

Anybody with at least half a brain should have stopped reading right there, as it tells the entire story.

Entire story? I'm still trying to figure out how somebody who comes off as an intelligent, thoughtful politician has managed to surround himself with so many corrupt, audacious, downright criminal associates during the course of his entire political career, yet remain so oblivious to what is happening right in front of him. This is just another in a long line of very questionable relationships that have tainted his short time on the main stage.

For you to dismiss any investigation into Obama's involvement or knowledge of this latest affair simply because of 1 line of a 74 page affidavit which mentions him 40 something times is pretty arrogant and partisan of you. Fortunately for the rest of us who refuse to dismiss corruption on either side, I can guarantee that this is going to pan into a much broader investigation in the near future, and he will no doubt be involved.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: loozar111

Not surprising that the 2 of them are closely linked, I guess. They've been best buddies for a long time.

I wonder when we'll be seeing Hot Rod in Washington.

Umm... Even your favorite right winger, Uncle Rupert's Faux News doesn't see anything tying Obama to whatever crimes Blagojevich committed.

Prosecutor: Blagojevich Engaged in 'Political Corruption Crime Spree'

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested in Chicago Tuesday on two counts each of corruption charges relating to trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's vacated Senate seat.


FOXNews.com
Tuesday, December 09, 2008

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald on Tuesday accused Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich of participating in a "political corruption crime spree" that was a blatant effort to sell the state's U.S. Senate seat in the latest "pay-to-play" scheme in Illinois politics.

Fitzgerald described the alleged behavior by Blagojevich, who was arrested Tuesday morning along with his chief of staff, John Harris, as "appalling." He said his "cynical behavior" reached "a truly new low."
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Fitzgerald said no allegations were being made that Obama was aware of any alleged scheming by Blagojevich.
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(continues)

So, other than your usual mindless venting, what, if anything, real do you have to say? :roll:

Originally posted by: bbdub333

For you to dismiss any investigation into Obama's involvement or knowledge of this latest affair simply because of 1 line of a 74 page affidavit which mentions him 40 something times is pretty arrogant and partisan of you. Fortunately for the rest of us who refuse to dismiss corruption on either side, I can guarantee that this is going to pan into a much broader investigation in the near future, and he will no doubt be involved.

The hell with what any of us has to say about dismissing such an investigation. I bet U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has read every one of those 74 pages and every one of those "40 something" mentions, and after having spent a lot of time and tax payer money preparing his and filing charges against Blagojevich, could only say "... no allegations were being made that Obama was aware of any alleged scheming by Blagojevich."

Care to embarrass yourself further? :laugh:
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Not surprising that the 2 of them are closely linked, I guess. They've been best buddies for a long time.

I wonder when we'll be seeing Hot Rod in Washington.

Best buddies, eh? So it's guilt by association yet again? :roll:
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

Obama NOOOOOOOOO!

Scandal!

Anybody with at least half a brain should have stopped reading right there, as it tells the entire story.

Entire story? I'm still trying to figure out how somebody who comes off as an intelligent, thoughtful politician has managed to surround himself with so many corrupt, audacious, downright criminal associates during the course of his entire political career, yet remain so oblivious to what is happening right in front of him. This is just another in a long line of very questionable relationships that have tainted his short time on the main stage.

For you to dismiss any investigation into Obama's involvement or knowledge of this latest affair simply because of 1 line of a 74 page affidavit which mentions him 40 something times is pretty arrogant and partisan of you. Fortunately for the rest of us who refuse to dismiss corruption on either side, I can guarantee that this is going to pan into a much broader investigation in the near future, and he will no doubt be involved.

Managed to surround himself? It seems the only way to get away from scandal in Illinois is to move away from Illinois and run for office in another State.

I highly doubt there will be any dirt found on Obama's hands over this.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are no allegations that President-elect Obama or anyone close to him had anything to do with any of the crimes Gov. Blagojevich is accused of having committed.

In fact, there are indications that Mr. Obama and his team refused to go along with the "pay to play" way Blagojevich is accused of operating, offering only "gratitude" if the governor appointed his friend Valerie Jarrett to take his U.S. Senate seat, much to the governor's chagrin.

Obama NOOOOOOOOO!

Scandal!

Anybody with at least half a brain should have stopped reading right there, as it tells the entire story.

Entire story? I'm still trying to figure out how somebody who comes off as an intelligent, thoughtful politician has managed to surround himself with so many corrupt, audacious, downright criminal associates during the course of his entire political career, yet remain so oblivious to what is happening right in front of him. This is just another in a long line of very questionable relationships that have tainted his short time on the main stage.

For you to dismiss any investigation into Obama's involvement or knowledge of this latest affair simply because of 1 line of a 74 page affidavit which mentions him 40 something times is pretty arrogant and partisan of you. Fortunately for the rest of us who refuse to dismiss corruption on either side, I can guarantee that this is going to pan into a much broader investigation in the near future, and he will no doubt be involved.

All politicians, or anybody else who works with a lot of people, is at some point going to be around people who are bad people. What's going on with Obama is an orchestrated smear campaign to make being on a list of the hundreds of people Obama knows or has worked with into something much more interesting. He's not surrounding himself with these people, people are just trying to make it sound like he is be repeating that line. Ultimately, what other folks do isn't the responsibility of Obama or anyone else but the person doing it. And I'm not sure how solid a charge of being oblivious really is, just because he didn't call you personally to talk about all the people he disagrees with...give me a break.

And although I'm a Democrat, I'm dismissing this charge not for partisan reasons, but because my brain hasn't been replaced by a watermelon...and I don't really believe in the power of wishful thinking. If Obama was corrupt, stupid, or whatever...there would be something better than attacks on some guy he may or may not know very well, and may or may not agree with on anything. I have no problem with attacking corruption on both sides, and I for one am glad that Blagojevich was caught, but unlike you, I'd prefer to wait for ACTUAL corruption before going after someone...Obama hasn't done anything even remotely wrong, yet you want to burn him down. You're telling me that's not partisan?

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: loozar111

Not surprising that the 2 of them are closely linked, I guess. They've been best buddies for a long time.

I wonder when we'll be seeing Hot Rod in Washington.

Umm... Even your favorite right winger, Uncle Rupert's Faux News doesn't see anything tying Blagojevich's crimes to Obama.

Prosecutor: Blagojevich Engaged in 'Political Corruption Crime Spree'

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested in Chicago Tuesday on two counts each of corruption charges relating to trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's vacated Senate seat.


FOXNews.com
Tuesday, December 09, 2008

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald on Tuesday accused Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich of participating in a "political corruption crime spree" that was a blatant effort to sell the state's U.S. Senate seat in the latest "pay-to-play" scheme in Illinois politics.

Fitzgerald described the alleged behavior by Blagojevich, who was arrested Tuesday morning along with his chief of staff, John Harris, as "appalling." He said his "cynical behavior" reached "a truly new low."
.
.
Fitzgerald said no allegations were being made that Obama was aware of any alleged scheming by Blagojevich.
.
.
(continues)

So, other than your usual mindless venting, what, if anything, real do you have to say? :roll:

Originally posted by: bbdub333

For you to dismiss any investigation into Obama's involvement or knowledge of this latest affair simply because of 1 line of a 74 page affidavit which mentions him 40 something times is pretty arrogant and partisan of you. Fortunately for the rest of us who refuse to dismiss corruption on either side, I can guarantee that this is going to pan into a much broader investigation in the near future, and he will no doubt be involved.

The hell with what any of us has to say about dismissing such an investigation. I bet U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has read every one of those 74 pages and every one of those "40 something" mentions, and after having spent a lot of time and tax payer money preparing his and filing charges against Blagojevich, could only say "... no allegations were being made that Obama was aware of any alleged scheming by Blagojevich."

Care to embarrass yourself further? :laugh:

:roll:

Did you listen to what Fitz had to say? He specifically stated that his answers were about the current charges and would not comment on future or things outside of what was specifically stated in the charges. This means that when he commented on BHO - he was stating that the current charges have nothing to do with BHO - not that there was no connection. There may in fact be future investigations regarding those who were involved in Blago's schemes but today's charges do not cover that.
So, while you MORANS want to try to suggest there was nothing - you have just as little - or in reality less standing as those who want to claim that BHO was involved since Axelrod suggested there was a conversation. Was the conversation legal? maybe, and I have nothing to suggest it wasn't but it doesn't mean you rabid BHO apologists can claim there is nothing tying BHO to Blago.
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: Harvey

The hell with what any of us has to say about dismissing such an investigation. I bet U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has read every one of those 74 pages and every one of those "40 something" mentions, and after having spent a lot of time and tax payer money preparing his and filing charges against Blagojevich, could only say "... no allegations were being made that Obama was aware of any alleged scheming by Blagojevich."

Care to embarrass yourself further? :laugh:

Since you just made it pretty apparent that you aren't following this story at all, I'll let you sit on that for a while.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Was the conversation legal? maybe, and I have nothing to suggest it wasn't but it doesn't mean you rabid BHO apologists can claim there is nothing tying BHO to Blago.

The more the lefties piss you righties off the better.

You packing your bags yet?
 

heyheybooboo

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Weener is a viral hoot, ain't he ?

I think he has a wee bit of 'man-love' for that abc blog.

They post something and 2 hours later it pops up at AT.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Was the conversation legal? maybe, and I have nothing to suggest it wasn't but it doesn't mean you rabid BHO apologists can claim there is nothing tying BHO to Blago.

The more the lefties piss you righties off the better.

You packing your bags yet?

Why would I pack my bags? As much as BHO will suck for America, I will succeed here in America because I don't let the gov't hold me down. You see, I don't let things happen to me, I control my path. You should try it some time... :)
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Was the conversation legal? maybe, and I have nothing to suggest it wasn't but it doesn't mean you rabid BHO apologists can claim there is nothing tying BHO to Blago.

The more the lefties piss you righties off the better.

You packing your bags yet?

Why would I pack my bags? As much as BHO will suck for America, I will succeed here in America because I don't let the gov't hold me down. You see, I don't let things happen to me, I control my path. You should try it some time... :)

Yah know?

I can see you being a control freak ...


:laugh:

 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: Rainsford

I have no problem with attacking corruption on both sides, and I for one am glad that Blagojevich was caught, but unlike you, I'd prefer to wait for ACTUAL corruption before going after someone...Obama hasn't done anything even remotely wrong, yet you want to burn him down. You're telling me that's not partisan?

I criticize the all-so-willing dismissal of any suspicion involving Obama and his associates the second the topic is brought up. I never said Obama did anything wrong, but every time one of his associations is questioned, it's instantly branded a "smear campaign" and anybody who dares call for a closer look into it is called every name in the book.

It happened with Wright, it happened with Ayers, it happened with Rezko, it's happening with Blago. I hate branding somebody because of their relationships, but when so much has been dismissed so readily, it is equally frustrating.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

As much as BHO will suck for America...

Clue: Your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal are leaving this nation at the bottom of the lowest, slimiest societal, ethical, moral and financial pits we've been in for decades, possibly ever. :thumbsdown: :|

Even if he "sucks" as much as you so mistakenly believe, the only way out of where the Bushwhackos have left us is up. There are no guarantees, but for the first time in eight years, I have some hope.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: loozar111

Not surprising that the 2 of them are closely linked, I guess. They've been best buddies for a long time.

I wonder when we'll be seeing Hot Rod in Washington.

Umm... Even your favorite right winger, Uncle Rupert's Faux News doesn't see anything tying Blagojevich's crimes to Obama.

Prosecutor: Blagojevich Engaged in 'Political Corruption Crime Spree'

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested in Chicago Tuesday on two counts each of corruption charges relating to trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's vacated Senate seat.


FOXNews.com
Tuesday, December 09, 2008

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald on Tuesday accused Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich of participating in a "political corruption crime spree" that was a blatant effort to sell the state's U.S. Senate seat in the latest "pay-to-play" scheme in Illinois politics.

Fitzgerald described the alleged behavior by Blagojevich, who was arrested Tuesday morning along with his chief of staff, John Harris, as "appalling." He said his "cynical behavior" reached "a truly new low."
.
.
Fitzgerald said no allegations were being made that Obama was aware of any alleged scheming by Blagojevich.
.
.
(continues)

So, other than your usual mindless venting, what, if anything, real do you have to say? :roll:

Originally posted by: bbdub333

For you to dismiss any investigation into Obama's involvement or knowledge of this latest affair simply because of 1 line of a 74 page affidavit which mentions him 40 something times is pretty arrogant and partisan of you. Fortunately for the rest of us who refuse to dismiss corruption on either side, I can guarantee that this is going to pan into a much broader investigation in the near future, and he will no doubt be involved.

The hell with what any of us has to say about dismissing such an investigation. I bet U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has read every one of those 74 pages and every one of those "40 something" mentions, and after having spent a lot of time and tax payer money preparing his and filing charges against Blagojevich, could only say "... no allegations were being made that Obama was aware of any alleged scheming by Blagojevich."

Care to embarrass yourself further? :laugh:

:roll:

Did you listen to what Fitz had to say? He specifically stated that his answers were about the current charges and would not comment on future or things outside of what was specifically stated in the charges. This means that when he commented on BHO - he was stating that the current charges have nothing to do with BHO - not that there was no connection. There may in fact be future investigations regarding those who were involved in Blago's schemes but today's charges do not cover that.
So, while you MORANS want to try to suggest there was nothing - you have just as little - or in reality less standing as those who want to claim that BHO was involved since Axelrod suggested there was a conversation. Was the conversation legal? maybe, and I have nothing to suggest it wasn't but it doesn't mean you rabid BHO apologists can claim there is nothing tying BHO to Blago.
I posted this in the other thread, but this was my take:

It's pretty clear that Blago asked for some kind of compensation from the Obama camp for the Senate seat. They basically told him "you'll get our appreciation".

So - they were solicited to offer him a bribe. The question is did they negotiate? If so, that's a crime. Did they say "you'll get our appreciation" and not report it to the Feds? I dont know if that's a crime or not...I would guess it probably isn't. But would not reporting the crime be unethical? Clearly the answer is yes.

So I hope his camp reported this and cooperated with the Feds...

I find great humor to see the role reversal on Harvey (programming his new macros already I see), but I must say I didn't expect any scandals to hit at least until he was sworn in!