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Originally posted by: xirtam
I don't know. The way I see it, if you're a vegetarian, you're competing with animals for their food. If you think about how many cute furry bunnies you might be starving the next time you gorge yourself on a green salad at lunchtime, I bet you won't mind helping yourself to a nice juicy T-bone for dinner.
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You really believe what you just typed? Really?
 
Every word. When I preface something with "I don't know," it probably means you don't have to take it at face value. 😉

All I can say is that after visiting my sister's college's vegetarian cafeteria, there's nothing like a Whopper.
 
One of my sisters is a vet and had to do inspections in slaughterhouses for her study too. After she saw how the animals and the meat was treated there, and the lack of hygiene, she stopped eating meat for a few years.

For that matter, she stopped eating fish a while when she bought a fish from the supermarket, and as it was too big to eat in once cut it in half to put part in the fridge again, only to discover that there were live maggots inside the fish. When she complained about it to a friend of hers, who had worked in a fish and chips shop, she was told 'Oh, that's quite normal. We just bake those along and no one notices!'...
 
This whole thread is moot as it is based on a false assumption. The original poster assumed you killed a plant by eating its fruit. If I pick tomatoes from a tomato plant, am I killing it? No. Especially if I only eat the ones that have already fallen off the plant. Same goes for apples, oranges, strawberries, corn, pumpkins, watermelons, coconuts, cucumbers, god knows what else. Also, to spread the seeds of most of these plants, you don't have to take a dump in your yard. Mainly because we do not eat the actual seeds in most of these fruits. You would just have to throw the leftovers into your yard instead of your trash. I've seen people throw apple cores out of car windows many times.

And now, the moment of zen
I don't know. The way I see it, if you're a vegetarian, you're competing with animals for their food. If you think about how many cute furry bunnies you might be starving the next time you gorge yourself on a green salad at lunchtime, I bet you won't mind helping yourself to a nice juicy T-bone for dinner.
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Ah, priceless...
 
hey, if anyone wants to see the "Meet Your Meat" video by PETA, email Chalissa1@aol.com your mailing address for a free copy of the CD. I emailed him last week and got it within a couple of days. In the meantime I can put it on my ftp if anyones interested, its about ~300 megs if i remember correctly, and ~11 minutes. Some parts are pretty disturbing, i.e. hanging the cows and pigs upside down and slitting their sloats with blood gushing out.
 
I consider myself an animal lover and will go out of my way to help an animal in distress or to prevent cruelty to an animal. That said there is nothing more I enjoy than a juicy delicious rare steak. As a human I am an omnivore and designed by nature to consume both plants and meat. I am lucky I live in a time where I do not have to spend all my time hunting down my next meal or plowing fields for my next vegitables etc. I see no sport in going out and chasing down a creature to kill with a gun just for the "sport" of it but would not hesitate to do so if my survival depended on it.

That said I do not have any issues with people that choose to be vegetarians. I will only take issue with them when they take issue with me for my eating choices. My wife does not eat beef or pork but does eat chicken and seafood. I will admit I have avoided discussing the issue with her to try and determine the moral difference between killing a pig or cow and a chicken because I just don't see it. She is comfortable with her choices and I with mine. To answer the topic though I have raised this same question myself when this is discussed and the answer seems to come down to the fact that plants are not sentient in any way that we perceive that to be so it is ok to kill them and eat them
 
My wife does not eat beef or pork but does eat chicken and seafood. I will admit I have avoided discussing the issue with her to try and determine the moral difference between killing a pig or cow
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As has been discussed in this thread it's not always a moral issue. Red meat would probably be the first thing to cut out over health concerns and cattle farms would probably be the primary environmental offender.



I consider myself an animal lover and will go out of my way to help an animal in distress or to prevent cruelty to an animal. That said there is nothing more I enjoy than a juicy delicious rare steak.
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Well since there seems to be a fair amount of evidence that the cow that your steak was made from was treated cruelly maybe "go out of my way" is a little exagerated.

 
Originally posted by: flavio
My wife does not eat beef or pork but does eat chicken and seafood. I will admit I have avoided discussing the issue with her to try and determine the moral difference between killing a pig or cow
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As has been discussed in this thread it's not always a moral issue. Red meat would probably be the first thing to cut out over health concerns and cattle farms would probably be the primary environmental offender.



I consider myself an animal lover and will go out of my way to help an animal in distress or to prevent cruelty to an animal. That said there is nothing more I enjoy than a juicy delicious rare steak.
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Well since there seems to be a fair amount of evidence that the cow that your steak was made from was treated cruelly maybe "go out of my way" is a little exagerated.
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It all depends on whether one chooses to believe the propaganda put out by PETA. I suspect that much like any other industry there are those that play by the rules in the beef industry and those that do not. The most I can do is support having the current laws enforced and buy my beef from a reputable source. For what it is worth I do not eat veal because there are very few producers willing to raise the animal in a humane way before they slaughter it.

 
Originally posted by: Linflas

My wife does not eat beef or pork but does eat chicken and seafood. I will admit I have avoided discussing the issue with her to try and determine the moral difference between killing a pig or cow and a chicken because I just don't see it.
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Maybe she just doesn't want to kill mammals. I think that's a defensible postition... Perhaps an extension of her maternal instincts. 😉

 
Didn't want to read through all 3 pages, but here goes my thoughts:

If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be made of meat.

🙂
 
Originally posted by: silverpig
Didn't want to read through all 3 pages, but here goes my thoughts:

If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be made of meat.

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Well that's very intelligent AND YET SO ORIGINAL.
 
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Some Vegetarians claim that they will not eat meat because they would be eating a poor defenseless animal and they could not do that. Yet, they eat fruits and vegetables that are alive, completely defenseless, and brutally ripped from a tree or vine or whatever. Are these plants ok to be consumed because you can't hear them scream? or because they can't walk around? Plants are just as alive as you or I, specifically grown and bred just like cows or pigs, then killed, processed and shipped to your local grocery store. I find this arguement from vegetarians to be very disturbing because they claim to have a respect for living animals, but have no respect for living plants.

EDIT: I'm not against freaking vegetarians!!! Read my post and respond based on it! Don't assume I'm trying to say that vegetarians are bad.
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Im a vegetarian, im only 16, for a while i usedto eat white meat..but never really ate beef....My family follows in Hinduism so thats where the basic vegie idea came from, but my bro eats meat, i really dont know if i do it for the religion, i think its just a habit now i really dont think about it... But ehm by vegetarian i say someone who dosent eat flesh, whether it be human, animal, or seafood (people never seem to think seafood is discluded if ur a veggie)....but then someone always asks if you can eat muff?!? thats a whole diff story buddy...
but anyways plants dont really have a mind of their own (to my knowledge), but animals do, they feel the pain more realisticly then plants do i guess..but yeah the main diffrence is plants dont really think or cant think and feel as an animal does 🙂
 
But general question, why is everyone such a hater on vegetarians...you cant have a serious conversation about being a vegetarian with anyone....its so anoying and people really dont seem to get the diffrence between like vegan, herbavore, carnivore, vegetarian....i guess everyone is just an idiot.
 
i agree with the thought that a lot of people here are idiots.

i have yet to see a valid comment about not being a vegetarian.

rather than trying to say what is 'right' or 'wrong' about being either a vegetarian or a meat eater, why not just listen to what has been said?

someone can become a vegetarian for various reasons; i will not go into great detail on any particular reason, as they have all been stated in this thread.

morality: some people just don't like the way the animal was treated

religion: some people happen to have a religious belief that eating some or any animal is wrong

health: it is actually fact that abstaining from eating meat is significantly heathier for you..just think..when was the last time a carrot gave you food poisoning?

economical: it is also a fact that the practices of raising cattle have very detrimental effects on the surrounding ennviroment. it is also known that the amount of energy and resource spent on raising cattle could feed at least 10 times the amount of people if given directly, rather than through the cattle.

these are just some reasons that people would choose to be vegetarians.

i, for one, happen to recognize the envromental and health issues involved in eating meat. i dont see anything actually WRONG with eating meat, but i like to limit what i eat to protect my own health.


well, i think that is enough on this topic🙂

 
I was vegan for about 7 months, then I reverted. I'm slowly transitioning back into it, now that I have a good source of tofu and such.

One good thing is that you don't have to worry so much about bacteria and keeping things above a certain temperature. As long as your plants aren't the wrong color, you're ok. It would be hard to be a true vegan, because animal products are used in small amounts in a whole lot of things from steel to sugar.

If it comes down to it though, once I go all vegan, I'll eat meat to keep from going hungry. It would be stupid to starve yourself to save an animal.
 
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