Question for those who are pro-choice...

[AmerDoux]

Pro-choice female here.

All pro-choice/pro-life arguments aside, I would consider this the sale of human organs, which is illegal in the U.S. This includes a private person selling any of their own organs.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
No.

*puts on devil's advocate hat*

Why not? After all, abortions happen legally all the time anyway, and most pro-choice people have no problem with experiments performed on already aborted fetuses.

Why not offer a financial incentive for women who would be willing to get pregnant and have an abortion, assuming they knew all the risks involved, for the purpose of science? And possibly helping millions upon potentially finding a cure for innumerable diseases?

but you are like encouraging women to get pregnant for a certain period of time and then aborting it.

that's just wrong.

it's not as if you got pregnant and then aborted right away.

That's what I was trying to debate with my fiance and coworker. I kept saying "That's just wrong", and they kept asking, "Well, what's so wrong about it? It's her body and people donate sperm and eggs for money all the time, so why not pay a woman to abort in order to do scientific research on the resulting fetus? Some pro-choice people believe it isn't even a life until it's born, so what's wrong with aborting it at 5, 10, 20 weeks?"

I'm betting there is an over-abundance of dead babies due to abortion already, there wouldn't be a need to create more of a demand for them.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: AmerDoux
Pro-choice female here.

All pro-choice/pro-life arguments aside, I would consider this the sale of human organs, which is illegal in the U.S. This includes a private person selling any of their own organs.

True, but a woman can sell her eggs and a man can sell his sperm legally...?

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
No.

*puts on devil's advocate hat*

Why not? After all, abortions happen legally all the time anyway, and most pro-choice people have no problem with experiments performed on already aborted fetuses.

Why not offer a financial incentive for women who would be willing to get pregnant and have an abortion, assuming they knew all the risks involved, for the purpose of science? And possibly helping millions upon potentially finding a cure for innumerable diseases?

but you are like encouraging women to get pregnant for a certain period of time and then aborting it.

that's just wrong.

it's not as if you got pregnant and then aborted right away.

That's what I was trying to debate with my fiance and coworker. I kept saying "That's just wrong", and they kept asking, "Well, what's so wrong about it? It's her body and people donate sperm and eggs for money all the time, so why not pay a woman to abort in order to do scientific research on the resulting fetus? Some pro-choice people believe it isn't even a life until it's born, so what's wrong with aborting it at 5, 10, 20 weeks?"

And you realize that women who get abortions get them because they had an uncalled for pregnancy.
(that I am aware of anyways). After let's say 20 weeks, if someone I know wants to then cause an abortion I'd be like, why the fvck did you not get it earlier? and give them a pro-life attitude speech. it's just too late in my opinion. why cause the baby pain at that point?

 

[nakedfrog]

Yes. It doesn't affect me directly, and potentially benefits me down the road. What about the fetus, you say? What about it? We experiment on animals, this really isn't much different (unless you consider humans "special" in comparison to other animals).

 

[Tom]

My support for pro-choice isn't based on an 'absolute' right. I'm not sure there are any absolute rights.

So the issue raised by your scenario, the right to property, to make money, is fundamentally a weaker right than the balancing of the rights of the unborn versus the right of a woman to control her body, so I see no flaw in a logical conclusion that such a practice can be banned, without violating the Constitution.

 

[AmerDoux]

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: AmerDoux
Pro-choice female here.

All pro-choice/pro-life arguments aside, I would consider this the sale of human organs, which is illegal in the U.S. This includes a private person selling any of their own organs.

True, but a woman can sell her eggs and a man can sell his sperm legally...?

Yes, and you can sell your blood too. The question then is what legally constitutes an organ? I am not going to pretend to have the answer to that. IMHO the difference is that the fetus is allowed to grow to partial completion and then removed. Although not complete, the fetus would have some (or portions of) it's own organs and thereby selling it would constitute the selling of an organ.

Good question. Tough one to call.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: AmerDoux
Pro-choice female here.

All pro-choice/pro-life arguments aside, I would consider this the sale of human organs, which is illegal in the U.S. This includes a private person selling any of their own organs.

True, but a woman can sell her eggs and a man can sell his sperm legally...?

but a woman can't sell a baby for money

 

[ATLien247]

I'm pro-choice. Choice meaning the choice to have sex or not. You can't get pregnant if you don't have sex. So if you aren't ready to have a baby, don't have sex!

Abortion should be allowed only in cases of rape and incest, IMO...

Flame on!

 

[acemcmac]

there's a difference between doing it out of a percieved necessity than planning on doing it

 

[Amused]

It's a silly way to go about it when the fetuses could just be mass produced in a lab.

In other words, it would never happen.

It's moot.

Pointless.

Flamebait.

Silly.

 

[TuxDave]

If someone can give me a good reason why prostitution is illegal, I can take that argument and use it into why this market should be illegal. On the other hand, if someone can give a good argument why prostitution shoul be legal, I can argue why this market should be legal.

 

[wfbberzerker]

good god.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: AmerDoux
Pro-choice female here.

All pro-choice/pro-life arguments aside, I would consider this the sale of human organs, which is illegal in the U.S. This includes a private person selling any of their own organs.

True, but a woman can sell her eggs and a man can sell his sperm legally...?

but a woman can't sell a baby for money

The whole abortion debate revolves around whether it is actually a baby at 20 months.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: AmerDoux
Pro-choice female here.

All pro-choice/pro-life arguments aside, I would consider this the sale of human organs, which is illegal in the U.S. This includes a private person selling any of their own organs.

True, but a woman can sell her eggs and a man can sell his sperm legally...?

but a woman can't sell a baby for money

The whole abortion debate revolves around whether it is actually a baby at 20 months.

i hope so, or else something else would of happened after it was born! 😉

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: amoeba
The whole abortion debate revolves around whether it is actually a baby at 20 months.

Perhaps you meant weeks? 😉 I don't think anyone disputes that it's a baby at 20 months 😛

 

[mugs]

Why not just use all of the already aborted fetuses?

 

[MrDingleDangle]

y would you need this? how would this help science cure diseases?

 

[torpid]

No... I'm pretty liberal on abortion, but it sounds like something that is too easily abused. It may be slightly less dangerous/abusable than selling organs, because you can't really get your organs back, but there's just too much risk involved. I also think there is still some permanent harm involved.

Doesn't matter if you are supposed to be informed of the risk or sign a consent form, it's just too easily abused. How do you keep track of who signed a consent form as a company that's a potential buyer of this stuff? If the buyer can't tell, it's too easily abused by companies who don't even have permission to perform the operation.

I would support something where someone who already is having an abortion can have some of the cost reduced for donating fetal material for research.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

Originally posted by: Tomato

Originally posted by: AmerDoux
Pro-choice female here.

All pro-choice/pro-life arguments aside, I would consider this the sale of human organs, which is illegal in the U.S. This includes a private person selling any of their own organs.

True, but a woman can sell her eggs and a man can sell his sperm legally...?

Yes, and you can sell your blood too. The question then is what legally constitutes an organ? I am not going to pretend to have the answer to that. IMHO the difference is that the fetus is allowed to grow to partial completion and then removed. Although not complete, the fetus would have some (or portions of) it's own organs and thereby selling it would constitute the selling of an organ.

Good question. Tough one to call.

Makes sense, good breakdown.

 

[puffff]

i was pro-life until i slept with a girl without protection once. wasn't planned, it just happened. the next morning we realized the seriousness of the situation.. what if she had gotten pregnant? we were both too young to take care of a kid. at that point, i realized why it was so important to some people that they be allowed to choose. i've been pro-choice ever since.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Yes.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: puffff
i was pro-life until i slept with a girl without protection once. wasn't planned, it just happened. the next morning we realized the seriousness of the situation.. what if she had gotten pregnant? we were both too young to take care of a kid. at that point, i realized why it was so important to some people that they be allowed to choose. i've been pro-choice ever since.

let's turn this situation around a bit....

if you were paid to have sex with this girl and her get pregnant for 20 weeks and then get an abortion...

for the cause of science....

what would be your opinion on it?

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: amoeba
The whole abortion debate revolves around whether it is actually a baby at 20 months.

Perhaps you meant weeks? 😉 I don't think anyone disputes that it's a baby at 20 months 😛

yes weeks.

hehe.

I hope I don't cement my title of baby killer.

 

[BannedTroll]

Sure why not? If the million or so babies we kill a year isn't enough to meet demand. Maybe we could get the 48% of women who get abortions that have previously had an abortion to pick up the pace. I mean if you are going to keep doing it anyway...........