Question for Pro-Choicers from a Pro-Lifer - UPDATED with new question in OP

[CycloWizard]

"One need not go further than to the teachings of the catholic church's teachings that condoms do not protect against AIDS (which is a belief no sane man would agree with but you do) or to read this thread."
Patently false.

"So quick to judge others while not looking at yourself. "
I'd like to see where I judge anyone. Can't produce an example? Shocker.

"You do not know anything about abortions except for what you can muster up against them, you do not know the lives and fates of those who choose to have one, that can be ok, but condemning them without knowing is not ok and not something a true Christian would ever do."
I daresay I've read up a lot more on the typical circumstances surrounding abortion than have you. Easy to claim ignorance in others when you don't know what you yourself are talking about. You want to know why people have abortions? Link
As for the particular circumstance in each case, thanks for not addressing the issue. There are circumstances surrounding every crime. Does that mean that we should allow it?

"You do not have the right to call me troll until you actually know what it feels like to be in a situation where you will have to support a choice that you may not agree with. The poor woman would have a nice time listening to your condemnation on top of the guilt she already feels."
Do you know? No. So how are you going to lecture me? Why can't you address the issues rather than trying to wage a personal attack? Because you're a troll.

"You are a sick little fvcker who keep proclaiming to know what yo do not have any knowledge about like you were the one who would ever have had to make the choice."
I'm pretty sure I've demonstrated myself a lot more knowledgeable about just about everything than yourself. You throw out petty insults to make up for your complete lack of an informed opinion. Then, you try to play yourself off as all-knowing because you live in Europe and fought in three wars. Guess what: no one's buying it.

"You are so willing to condemn, put your money and efforts where your mouth is and look for a woman having an abortion and tell her you will adopt her child and pay all expenses that she cannot afford. If you do that, until you are in the situation where you can no longer afford to eat yourself you will know what she would feel like if you had your way and forced her to carry the child."
Demonstrate where I've condemned anyone. Are you going to allow infanticide? After all, the woman might not be able to support the baby. After all, you don't know the woman's circumstances. Hell, just let her kill her children as she pleases. Right?

"Cuz that is the Catholic way to do things, wait until they are on their knees before you kick them in the face."
Easy to throw stones from an ivory tower. You call yourself Jewish in hopes that no one will attack your religion, yet you don't hesitate to attack anyone else's. You act like a six year old, then PM me and tell me how many wars you've fought in. I'll give you respect when you earn it, not a moment before. Let me know when you can wage a cogent argument without resorting to bigotry, personal insults, and general idiocy. Until then, .

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Pro choice everything, always.

CycloWizard is one of those who say that condoms do not work, who think that birth-control is a tool of the devil, who is against abortions and against adoptions, he praises the whore of babylon as the scholar of hers that he is.

A sick little man who will never get things right but is happy condemning others for their inability to do the same.

CycloWizard needs to take a step back and look at himself, i would not be surprised if he would then despise the intolerant bigot he has become.

You educate yourself on abortion, CycloWizard, look into the world of a woman who's choice is abortion, drop the holier than thou attitude and come down to earth for a lesson in humility and understanding before you condemn what you know nothing of.

I'd just like to point out that we had 70 responses without a flame in this thread til you came. Can you please give your opinion on the topic and not stray to your opinion about somebody else's opinion? It's just far more constructive.

 

[Klixxer]

Lots of hot air with no substance there CycloWizard, it is how you do things.

Your "patently false" is either ignorance or denial, i am not sure which, as you seem to be a very disturbed little fvcker.

Yes i know what it is like, unfortunantly the person who experienced it is no longer in this world, condemned and thrown into the fires by the likes of you. The "shiny happy condemning" people who THINK they know what is best for everyone and are hellbent on bending the truth and reality to fit their agenda.

You can call me a troll until you are blue in the face, anyone can see that you refuse to see anything else than your own little religious agenda without regards to real life situations.

"Demonstrate where I've condemned anyone. Are you going to allow infanticide? After all, the woman might not be able to support the baby. After all, you don't know the woman's circumstances. Hell, just let her kill her children as she pleases. Right? "

It's just one of your responses and you call ME a troll?

I do not "call myself Jewish" you pathetic little wanker, i AM Jewish, Israel says i am Jewish, my heritage says i am Jewish, but you say i am not? LOL, you will have to excuse me if take the word of Israel above yours when it comes to this issue.

You will not have any respect from anyone as you are a narcissistic asshole without a glimpse of self-critique even when you are speaking on matters you know nothing of, judging others actions while never EVER looking at yourself and your OWN actions or beliefs, so set in your beliefs that you cannot change, your ability to think for yourself is gone and has been gone for quite some time.

You can keep throwing those cookies to everyone and anyone who you do not agree with, it doesn't change anything but some peoples perceptions of you NOT being a narcissistic little twirp.

If you haven't noticed, i am not in any Ivory tower, i do not defend the wrongdoings of Israel or Jews, the ivory tower is all yours.

 

[CycloWizard]

"Your "patently false" is either ignorance or denial, i am not sure which, as you seem to be a very disturbed little fvcker."
I'm disturbed that someone like you exists. I'm more disturbed by the fact that you repeatedly make personal attacks without even a warning from mods. I'm even more disturbed that you think you can wave your hands at someone else's religion and tell me what it's all about. If you want to get into a discussion on Catholicism with me, I suggest you start another thread. First, you'd better go buy some books and read up. I'll call you on your ignorance there just as I have here.

and begone.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Pro choice everything, always.

CycloWizard is one of those who say that condoms do not work, who think that birth-control is a tool of the devil, who is against abortions and against adoptions, he praises the whore of babylon as the scholar of hers that he is.

A sick little man who will never get things right but is happy condemning others for their inability to do the same.

CycloWizard needs to take a step back and look at himself, i would not be surprised if he would then despise the intolerant bigot he has become.

You educate yourself on abortion, CycloWizard, look into the world of a woman who's choice is abortion, drop the holier than thou attitude and come down to earth for a lesson in humility and understanding before you condemn what you know nothing of.

I'd just like to point out that we had 70 responses without a flame in this thread til you came. Can you please give your opinion on the topic and not stray to your opinion about somebody else's opinion? It's just far more constructive.

I stated my opinion, sorry for the flames but something needed to be said and if you were to re-read Cyclos response that i responded to you might see why i responded the way i did.

I didn't just come out of the blue and started critizising, there were grounds for the critizism IMO.

I have seen his posts on the topic in many other threads without responding to the blatant idiocy, i guess i just had to this time.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I stated my opinion, sorry for the flames but something needed to be said and if you were to re-read Cyclos response that i responded to you might see why i responded the way i did.

I didn't just come out of the blue and started critizising, there were grounds for the critizism IMO.

I have seen his posts on the topic in many other threads without responding to the blatant idiocy, i guess i just had to this time.

Oh, you're such a martyr.

Still waiting for your demonstration of a single point that you made.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
"Your "patently false" is either ignorance or denial, i am not sure which, as you seem to be a very disturbed little fvcker."
I'm disturbed that someone like you exists. I'm more disturbed by the fact that you repeatedly make personal attacks without even a warning from mods. I'm even more disturbed that you think you can wave your hands at someone else's religion and tell me what it's all about. If you want to get into a discussion on Catholicism with me, I suggest you start another thread. First, you'd better go buy some books and read up. I'll call you on your ignorance there just as I have here.

and begone.

Maybe i should just leave you and those like you, who proclaim to know the "truth" alone and never critizise you? Would that make you a happy little twirp?

I suggest you look at your own faults before you condemn others for theirs.

There is a reason why you get the responses you do, your narcissistic viewpoints that you are somehow above others and always right are boring and idiotic, when you actually know of what you speak then you can make a better argument, you do not know anything about what might drive a woman to have an abortion.

I see these stupd arguments here, "abortion is wrong" is only one of them.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Maybe i should just leave you and those like you, who proclaim to know the "truth" alone and never critizise you? Would that make you a happy little twirp?

I suggest you look at your own faults before you condemn others for theirs.

There is a reason why you get the responses you do, your narcissistic viewpoints that you are somehow above others and always right are boring and idiotic, when you actually know of what you speak then you can make a better argument, you do not know anything about what might drive a woman to have an abortion.

I see these stupd arguments here, "abortion is wrong" is only one of them.

I'm not asking you to leave. I'm just calling you out. You have yet to demonstrate anything regarding the issues put forth in this thread. You simply used it as a springboard for yet another series of personal attacks. The fact that you can't point out a single instance where I've condemned someone else, combined with your complete lack of address to the largest issue that I've raised repeatedly (whether a zygote/embryo/fetus is a person) demonstrates your own ignorance. Until you can argue above a third grade level, it probably is better for everyone that you leave.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I stated my opinion, sorry for the flames but something needed to be said and if you were to re-read Cyclos response that i responded to you might see why i responded the way i did.

I didn't just come out of the blue and started critizising, there were grounds for the critizism IMO.

I have seen his posts on the topic in many other threads without responding to the blatant idiocy, i guess i just had to this time.

Oh, you're such a martyr.

Still waiting for your demonstration of a single point that you made.

The narcissist strikes again, looking down his nose at us mere mortals?

The trademark of a sociopath is that he lacks the ability to empathize with those who are in a situation he has never been in and so he will condemn them.

My very point is that you should shut up about the issue until you can understand that it is not a technical issue, rather an issue filled with lots of emotions and for some, the best choice.

My point is that these people are in enough pain as it is, they do not need your condemnation or narcissistic view, they need your sympathy and help, are you willing to forgive and help or are you going to stay way up there looking down your nose at them and condemn those in pain?

Not everyone is as fortunate as me and you.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The narcissist strikes again, looking down his nose at us mere mortals?

The trademark of a sociopath is that he lacks the ability to empathize with those who are in a situation he has never been in and so he will condemn them.

My very point is that you should shut up about the issue until you can understand that it is not a technical issue, rather an issue filled with lots of emotions and for some, the best choice.

My point is that these people are in enough pain as it is, they do not need your condemnation or narcissistic view, they need your sympathy and help, are you willing to forgive and help or are you going to stay way up there looking down your nose at them and condemn those in pain?

Not everyone is as fortunate as me and you.

Your appeal to emotion is duly noted and summarily rejected. You admit that your entire argument is based on a single fallacy, then proceed to tell me to shut up when I have supplied dozens of logical reasons why abortion should not be allowed. Who is the narcissist? I have yet to condemn anyone for their actions, nor will I do so. I fully accept that I am not perfect and that neither is anyone else. I am hardly in a position to condemn anyone. Does that mean I should sit idly by while crimes are committed, simply because I am, myself, a criminal? Should I not stop a teenager from robbing an old woman simply because I myself have committed a wrong at some point in my life?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Maybe i should just leave you and those like you, who proclaim to know the "truth" alone and never critizise you? Would that make you a happy little twirp?

I suggest you look at your own faults before you condemn others for theirs.

There is a reason why you get the responses you do, your narcissistic viewpoints that you are somehow above others and always right are boring and idiotic, when you actually know of what you speak then you can make a better argument, you do not know anything about what might drive a woman to have an abortion.

I see these stupd arguments here, "abortion is wrong" is only one of them.

I'm not asking you to leave. I'm just calling you out. You have yet to demonstrate anything regarding the issues put forth in this thread. You simply used it as a springboard for yet another series of personal attacks. The fact that you can't point out a single instance where I've condemned someone else, combined with your complete lack of address to the largest issue that I've raised repeatedly (whether a zygote/embryo/fetus is a person) demonstrates your own ignorance. Until you can argue above a third grade level, it probably is better for everyone that you leave.

Moral relativism is ALWAYS fallacious. Certain things are right and wrong ALWAYS.

There you go, if that is not judgemental i don't know what is.

You are talking about what is right and wrong for someone who is not you, something that you will never experience and you say it is wrong in all cases without looking into the specific situation.

It is like saying that it is always wrong to kill without ever looking into the circumstances.

It makes you a narcissistic bag o crap that has no empathic abilites.

To simply state it is wrong isn't going to change any situation for anyone.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The narcissist strikes again, looking down his nose at us mere mortals?

The trademark of a sociopath is that he lacks the ability to empathize with those who are in a situation he has never been in and so he will condemn them.

My very point is that you should shut up about the issue until you can understand that it is not a technical issue, rather an issue filled with lots of emotions and for some, the best choice.

My point is that these people are in enough pain as it is, they do not need your condemnation or narcissistic view, they need your sympathy and help, are you willing to forgive and help or are you going to stay way up there looking down your nose at them and condemn those in pain?

Not everyone is as fortunate as me and you.

Your appeal to emotion is duly noted and summarily rejected. You admit that your entire argument is based on a single fallacy, then proceed to tell me to shut up when I have supplied dozens of logical reasons why abortion should not be allowed. Who is the narcissist? I have yet to condemn anyone for their actions, nor will I do so. I fully accept that I am not perfect and that neither is anyone else. I am hardly in a position to condemn anyone. Does that mean I should sit idly by while crimes are committed, simply because I am, myself, a criminal? Should I not stop a teenager from robbing an old woman simply because I myself have committed a wrong at some point in my life?

I would expect nothing less from a sociopath.

The entire argument is based on the fact that not one situation is like the other and that EVERY situation should be judged on the actualities of the situation, not because your religion says it is wrong, not because of your or ANYONE elses beliefs.

What it means? It means that you should not judge anyone before you know what it is like to live their life, to be in the situation they are in.

It means that those who are in pain need your help, not your condemnation, you think this is an easy choice simply because you lack the ability to empathize and put yourself into their situation without your own beliefs.

I can understand and empathize with those who LEGALLY have abortions, while you cannot, you are hellbent on one issue and one issue alone in what is a multifacetted situation that involves more than a fetus.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I would expect nothing less from a sociopath.

The entire argument is based on the fact that not one situation is like the other and that EVERY situation should be judged on the actualities of the situation, not because your religion says it is wrong, not because of your or ANYONE elses beliefs.

What it means? It means that you should not judge anyone before you know what it is like to live their life, to be in the situation they are in.

It means that those who are in pain need your help, not your condemnation, you think this is an easy choice simply because you lack the ability to empathize and put yourself into their situation without your own beliefs.

I can understand and empathize with those who LEGALLY have abortions, while you cannot, you are hellbent on one issue and one issue alone in what is a multifacetted situation that involves more than a fetus.

I only hope that some day, if and when you grow up, you'll be able to wield logic and argument as readily as you do insults. I've already addressed your 'points' numerous times. Now you're just further demonstrating why I called you a troll in the first place.

edit: Since I feel like bashing my head against the wall some more, I thought I'd demonstrate exactly why your claims are ridiculous using an analogy. You claim that I have no grounds to discuss abortion, since I have never physically, mentally, or emotionally endured anything surrounding abortion. By this logic, I have no grounds to discuss molecular interactions, since I'm not a molecule and will never experience them for myself. I will equally never have grounds to discuss war, since I'm not a soldier. I am also forbidden from discussing the timeliness of the delivery of my mail, since I have never been a mailman and cannot possibly understand what a mailman is going through.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Pro choice everything, always.

CycloWizard is one of those who say that condoms do not work, who think that birth-control is a tool of the devil, who is against abortions and against adoptions, he praises the whore of babylon as the scholar of hers that he is.

A sick little man who will never get things right but is happy condemning others for their inability to do the same.

CycloWizard needs to take a step back and look at himself, i would not be surprised if he would then despise the intolerant bigot he has become.

You educate yourself on abortion, CycloWizard, look into the world of a woman who's choice is abortion, drop the holier than thou attitude and come down to earth for a lesson in humility and understanding before you condemn what you know nothing of.

I'd just like to point out that we had 70 responses without a flame in this thread til you came. Can you please give your opinion on the topic and not stray to your opinion about somebody else's opinion? It's just far more constructive.

I stated my opinion, sorry for the flames but something needed to be said and if you were to re-read Cyclos response that i responded to you might see why i responded the way i did.

I didn't just come out of the blue and started critizising, there were grounds for the critizism IMO.

I have seen his posts on the topic in many other threads without responding to the blatant idiocy, i guess i just had to this time.

It really wasn't. This is probably the first abortion thread that has lasted any kind of length without flames.

Thanks for ruining it buddy.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I would expect nothing less from a sociopath.

The entire argument is based on the fact that not one situation is like the other and that EVERY situation should be judged on the actualities of the situation, not because your religion says it is wrong, not because of your or ANYONE elses beliefs.

What it means? It means that you should not judge anyone before you know what it is like to live their life, to be in the situation they are in.

It means that those who are in pain need your help, not your condemnation, you think this is an easy choice simply because you lack the ability to empathize and put yourself into their situation without your own beliefs.

I can understand and empathize with those who LEGALLY have abortions, while you cannot, you are hellbent on one issue and one issue alone in what is a multifacetted situation that involves more than a fetus.

I only hope that some day, if and when you grow up, you'll be able to wield logic and argument as readily as you do insults. I've already addressed your 'points' numerous times. Now you're just further demonstrating why I called you a troll in the first place.

Of course, this is what you usually do when you do not have any answers, you call people trolls as if that matters.

I am asking you to see the ISSUE, not the technical side of it but the real life issues of a woman who stands before they choice and you say that makes me a troll?

You are utterly pathetic, when it comes to relations, emotions, empathy you will never be able to argue as you lack understanding and empaty.

You try to find meaning in something that has nothing to do with interactions with other humans because that is what you are good at, interacting with others is where you fail miserably, because if someone brings up the complexity of human emotions you will be lost, empathy for others is not an ability you seem to possess, thankfully our society is not like you, the circumstances DO matter and human relations DO matter to society in general.

When it comes to logic, your claims are not shared by the (non-christian) scientists findings, in fact, the entire issue on when life begins is about to be rewritten as knowledge of self is something a cat or a dog possesses but not an infant human.

I suggest we trust the *real* scientific community when it comes to the issue about how abortion should take place and trust the laws in place to regulate it.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Of course, this is what you usually do when you do not have any answers, you call people trolls as if that matters.

I am asking you to see the ISSUE, not the technical side of it but the real life issues of a woman who stands before they choice and you say that makes me a troll?

You are utterly pathetic, when it comes to relations, emotions, empathy you will never be able to argue as you lack understanding and empaty.

You try to find meaning in something that has nothing to do with interactions with other humans because that is what you are good at, interacting with others is where you fail miserably, because if someone brings up the complexity of human emotions you will be lost, empathy for others is not an ability you seem to possess, thankfully our society is not like you, the circumstances DO matter and human relations DO matter to society in general.

When it comes to logic, your claims are not shared by the (non-christian) scientists findings, in fact, the entire issue on when life begins is about to be rewritten as knowledge of self is something a cat or a dog possesses but not an infant human.

I suggest we trust the *real* scientific community when it comes to the issue about how abortion should take place and trust the laws in place to regulate it.

Just so you don't miss it...

Since I feel like bashing my head against the wall some more, I thought I'd demonstrate exactly why your claims are ridiculous using an analogy. You claim that I have no grounds to discuss abortion, since I have never physically, mentally, or emotionally endured anything surrounding abortion. By this logic, I have no grounds to discuss molecular interactions, since I'm not a molecule and will never experience them for myself. I will equally never have grounds to discuss war, since I'm not a soldier. I am also forbidden from discussing the timeliness of the delivery of my mail, since I have never been a mailman and cannot possibly understand what a mailman is going through.

I also find it quaint that you would define the 'real' scientific community as 'anyone who agrees with my point of view' when you have yet to demonstrate that any scientist does agree with your point of view.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Pro choice everything, always.

CycloWizard is one of those who say that condoms do not work, who think that birth-control is a tool of the devil, who is against abortions and against adoptions, he praises the whore of babylon as the scholar of hers that he is.

A sick little man who will never get things right but is happy condemning others for their inability to do the same.

CycloWizard needs to take a step back and look at himself, i would not be surprised if he would then despise the intolerant bigot he has become.

You educate yourself on abortion, CycloWizard, look into the world of a woman who's choice is abortion, drop the holier than thou attitude and come down to earth for a lesson in humility and understanding before you condemn what you know nothing of.

I'd just like to point out that we had 70 responses without a flame in this thread til you came. Can you please give your opinion on the topic and not stray to your opinion about somebody else's opinion? It's just far more constructive.

I stated my opinion, sorry for the flames but something needed to be said and if you were to re-read Cyclos response that i responded to you might see why i responded the way i did.

I didn't just come out of the blue and started critizising, there were grounds for the critizism IMO.

I have seen his posts on the topic in many other threads without responding to the blatant idiocy, i guess i just had to this time.

It really wasn't. This is probably the first abortion thread that has lasted any kind of length without flames.

Thanks for ruining it buddy.

*sigh*

Moral relativism is ALWAYS fallacious. Certain things are right and wrong ALWAYS.

And that is not judgemental? I guess it isn't if you agree with his views but if you do not, then you are telling someone what they are LEGALLY doing is WRONG and that is not to judge?

If so, i would like you to explain to me WHAT being judgemental and condemning is, if it is not shouting WRONG when someone is doing something LEGAL, then what is it?

I am sorry if i ruined it for you, i assume you just want answers who agree with the assessment that it is WRONG no matter what the law says? Judgemental assholes private circle jerk?

Go to www.holierthanthou.com instead of wasting time here where someone might *gasp* present a different viewpoint and call you out on your judgement of others who you know nothing of.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Of course, this is what you usually do when you do not have any answers, you call people trolls as if that matters.

I am asking you to see the ISSUE, not the technical side of it but the real life issues of a woman who stands before they choice and you say that makes me a troll?

You are utterly pathetic, when it comes to relations, emotions, empathy you will never be able to argue as you lack understanding and empaty.

You try to find meaning in something that has nothing to do with interactions with other humans because that is what you are good at, interacting with others is where you fail miserably, because if someone brings up the complexity of human emotions you will be lost, empathy for others is not an ability you seem to possess, thankfully our society is not like you, the circumstances DO matter and human relations DO matter to society in general.

When it comes to logic, your claims are not shared by the (non-christian) scientists findings, in fact, the entire issue on when life begins is about to be rewritten as knowledge of self is something a cat or a dog possesses but not an infant human.

I suggest we trust the *real* scientific community when it comes to the issue about how abortion should take place and trust the laws in place to regulate it.

Just so you don't miss it...

Since I feel like bashing my head against the wall some more, I thought I'd demonstrate exactly why your claims are ridiculous using an analogy. You claim that I have no grounds to discuss abortion, since I have never physically, mentally, or emotionally endured anything surrounding abortion. By this logic, I have no grounds to discuss molecular interactions, since I'm not a molecule and will never experience them for myself. I will equally never have grounds to discuss war, since I'm not a soldier. I am also forbidden from discussing the timeliness of the delivery of my mail, since I have never been a mailman and cannot possibly understand what a mailman is going through.

I also find it quaint that you would define the 'real' scientific community as 'anyone who agrees with my point of view' when you have yet to demonstrate that any scientist does agree with your point of view.

Wow, that was certainly the most stupid quote i have seen in a long time.

You are comparing a woman who bears a parasitic being inside of her, feeding of her body to what? LOL, i'll tell you what, when you come up with an analogy that makes sense, i'll read it and not only that, i will accept it. Not that that will ever happen.

You did not understand the point, the point being that the real scientific community cannot say when a fetus becomes a human being, it is up to your beliefs and nothing else.

You have yet to demonstrate that a respected, collected medical community agrees with ANY point of yours.

All while you keep spouting your beliefs in your holier than thou "i am king of all" attitude that you think gives you the right to judge others whose situations you know noting of.

I am not just talking about being a pregnant woman, i am talking about he various situations that might result in her being pregnant and her right to her own body.

I am talking about something you will never understand.

 

[CycloWizard]

"Wow, that was certainly the most stupid quote i have seen in a long time.

You are comparing a woman who bears a parasitic being inside of her, feeding of her body to what? LOL, i'll tell you what, when you come up with an analogy that makes sense, i'll read it and not only that, i will accept it. Not that that will ever happen."
Easier to summarily dismiss something when you can't refute it, I suppose. I'll never be able to see molecules interact at the level that I can mathematically describe them. Does that mean that I have no grounds to mathematically describe them? If so, then the last 4 weeks of my life have been completely wasted doing just that.

"You did not understand the point, the point being that the real scientific community cannot say when a fetus becomes a human being, it is up to your beliefs and nothing else."
This is patently false. A fetus is a human being by definition. What the scientific community cannot ascertain is whether or not a fetus is a person. If you had read my posts rather than blindly flailing against me, you would have seen this a long time ago.

"You have yet to demonstrate that a respected, collected medical community agrees with ANY point of yours."
Despite my posting the findings of panels of ethicists, physicians, and scientists? Who else do you want me to cite?

"All while you keep spouting your beliefs in your holier than thou "i am king of all" attitude that you think gives you the right to judge others whose situations you know noting of."
I don't pretend to be the end-all, be-all of knowledge. I just tell you what I think and know. Since it's obviously so offensive to you that someone else have an opinion, try not reading it. I thought narcissists couldn't stop looking in the mirror, yet you can't quite seem to follow that trend.

"I am not just talking about being a pregnant woman, i am talking about he various situations that might result in her being pregnant and her right to her own body."
I've already demonstrated numerous times that a woman (nor a man) has an absolute right to her body. I also already mentioned that there are lots of reasons that murder, theft, or what have you might seem feasible to an individual at a given time, yet society sees fit to outlaw all these things with almost complete disregard for circumstance. If I'm poor and steal food, it's still a crime, correct?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
"Wow, that was certainly the most stupid quote i have seen in a long time.

You are comparing a woman who bears a parasitic being inside of her, feeding of her body to what? LOL, i'll tell you what, when you come up with an analogy that makes sense, i'll read it and not only that, i will accept it. Not that that will ever happen."
Easier to summarily dismiss something when you can't refute it, I suppose. I'll never be able to see molecules interact at the level that I can mathematically describe them. Does that mean that I have no grounds to mathematically describe them? If so, then the last 4 weeks of my life have been completely wasted doing just that.

"You did not understand the point, the point being that the real scientific community cannot say when a fetus becomes a human being, it is up to your beliefs and nothing else."
This is patently false. A fetus is a human being by definition. What the scientific community cannot ascertain is whether or not a fetus is a person. If you had read my posts rather than blindly flailing against me, you would have seen this a long time ago.

"You have yet to demonstrate that a respected, collected medical community agrees with ANY point of yours."
Despite my posting the findings of panels of ethicists, physicians, and scientists? Who else do you want me to cite?

"All while you keep spouting your beliefs in your holier than thou "i am king of all" attitude that you think gives you the right to judge others whose situations you know noting of."
I don't pretend to be the end-all, be-all of knowledge. I just tell you what I think and know. Since it's obviously so offensive to you that someone else have an opinion, try not reading it. I thought narcissists couldn't stop looking in the mirror, yet you can't quite seem to follow that trend.

"I am not just talking about being a pregnant woman, i am talking about he various situations that might result in her being pregnant and her right to her own body."
I've already demonstrated numerous times that a woman (nor a man) has an absolute right to her body. I also already mentioned that there are lots of reasons that murder, theft, or what have you might seem feasible to an individual at a given time, yet society sees fit to outlaw all these things with almost complete disregard for circumstance. If I'm poor and steal food, it's still a crime, correct?

You want me to refute it? Are you serious? Heh, ok, i'll humour you.

1. Nobody can possibly know what it feels like to be a molecule, as a molecule cannot think, so we cannot understand what it feels like to not feel? That comparison is so extremely invalid as a pregnant woman DOES feel, it takes a fullbred moron not to see the inherent flaws in that.

2. Discussing war and it's merits is up to the people who share the burdon of having someone close going into war, it is something i have much knowledge of and it is something that you cannot compare to abortion where ONE woman decides what is being done with HER body.

3. Mailman, this is getting ridiculous and i am sure you can see that, what does the mailman have in common with a pregnant woman before the choice of their life?

It is not refutable as there is no point to it, the comparisons are so worthless that comparing apples to far away stars would equal the idiocy of them, it is just dumb, stupid beyond belief actually, i grasp for words to describe just HOW stupid it is but i find none.

You have demonstrated what you percieve to be RIGHT, that is all you have demonstrated, what you left out is what is important, namely the situation surrounding the issue at hand.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong, you can say that and demonstrate that it IS inherently always wrong but that does no mean that you are right.

Your views are colored by your own agenda which refuses to bend to the different lifes of people, it can never be right as every situation and individual is different.

Where i come from this discussion is limited to those who will kill their daughters if they ever found out, fundamentalistic views from people who do not know better than to judge everyone equally.

This is something that we should hope to get rid of, it is not this way in the courts, nothing is inherently WRONG or RIGHT as you proclaim, it depends on the situations and the people involved.

 

[KK]

Klixxer, you're an ass. Take your troll ass out of this thread and die.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK
Klixxer, you're an ass. Take your troll ass out of this thread and die.

That goes in my sig, thank you, i have been looking for a new one.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK
Klixxer, you're an ass. Take your troll ass out of this thread and die.

I am just the curious kind, and i am bored but soon i will be gone, don't you worry, but why do you believe i am a troll, could you please elaborate on the issue?

Is it because i dispute what CycloWizard says, is it because i say that when we are dealing with people we will have to deal with different people in different situations.

Elaborate on what it is that makes me a troll IYO.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Klixxer


Elaborate on what it is that makes me a troll IYO.

Which post should I start at. This discussion was civil until your bitter ass came in and calling people sick little fvckers. I probably pretty much have your same thoughts on abortion, but understand where these pro life folks are coming from. And I respect that, as long as they respect my thoughts. Even if they don't respect my thought, I still wouldn't stoop to the level you accomplished.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer


Elaborate on what it is that makes me a troll IYO.

Which post should I start at. This discussion was civil until your bitter ass came in and calling people sick little fvckers. I probably pretty much have your same thoughts on abortion, but understand where these pro life folks are coming from. And I respect that, as long as they respect my thoughts. Even if they don't respect my thought, I still wouldn't stoop to the level you accomplished.

start with any post of your choice.

I don't give a FVCK if we have the same thoughts on abortion, what i am against are people like CycloWizard trying to interject his small minded responses without being able to understand that he does not know a flying FVCK about the situation.

IOW, you will have to excuse me but small-mindedness upsets me and this issue is personal to me, if calling CycloWizard what he is makes me a troll, so be it.

You can continue to respect viewpoints of sociaopaths if that is in your wish, i will not, this fvcker is a holer than thou idiot that will do his worst to restrict any and EVERY choice you have, it might be ok by you but not by me.

You would not stoop to that level? LOL, you did, didn't you, or am i the one NOT entitled to my view and therefore a troll?

CycloWizard had proven himself to be a little narcissistic fvck when it comes to most issues, i despise that and speak out against it, if you do not like that, though sh!t, i won't stop.

A man offers condemnation of acts who people in pain are making, i dispute that and then i am the troll, how very great of you. There is no logic tied to abortion as it is an emotional dilemma supported by law, which if you were to read my posts is my very point, is that trolling?