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Question about Xbox One vs PS4

Mondozei

Golden Member
So I got a guy willing to sell me an Xbone with Halo 5 for around $200, which I consider to be an okay deal, especially considering the console itself is less than 6 months old.

I have been thinking about getting a console more broadly, and I'm aware that PS4 is generally seen as more powerful but my question is: by how much? If I want to play casual games like BLOPS 3 or SW:BF, is there any major difference? And how about the player base? I know that PS4 has a higher installed player base, but does that mean that there are difficulties finding games with lots of players on the Xbone for major titles 2-3 months down the line? (I'm not counting exclusives like Halo who have their own massive fanbase).

Thanks!
 
Yes there's a difference in a handful of games, some games stutter on the XB1 due to slower memory and lower shaders with its GPU, and the online playerbase is much bigger in most games on the PS4 over the XB1 (it was close last year with CoD Advanced Warfare last year though). In general, if you're playing a multiplatform game it's often better on the PS4, that's the reason why I use my PS4 more than my XB1 but I turn to my XB1 for the Forza series and that's about it (I had EA Access for a year but not interested anymore).

It's really down to which platform most of your friends/family are playing on, if you're the only one out of your family/friends then the PS4 for more players to play against, or if you prefer the XB1 controller or the PS4 controller, or you prefer more features in a single unit which the XB1 has (early on Microsoft marketed the XB1 as a multimedia first gaming second).
 
I play all those casual games, and you will not find it difficult to find online matches for the newer fps's at all. I doubt there's much of a difference between xb1 blops3 vs. ps4 unless your face is 5 ft away from the screen and looking for it.

200 bucks is a good deal, but it still really comes down to which console has your friends and family on it, like the previous poster said. Especially, if you're looking to play online.

If that doesn't matter to you though, 200 bucks is still a good deal and you won't find the online experience any worse with casual multiplats on xb1 than ps4.

Also, if you like EA sports games and such, EA Access is a hell of deal.
 
I guess that it depends on what you're planning on using the console for.

Personally, I find myself using my XBox One for Netflix/Youtube/Amazon Prime streaming more than gaming. The streaming clients that Microsoft has for those platforms are much faster and more reliable than what I have on my old Roku or BluRay player.
 
So I got a guy willing to sell me an Xbone with Halo 5 for around $200, which I consider to be an okay deal, especially considering the console itself is less than 6 months old.

I have been thinking about getting a console more broadly, and I'm aware that PS4 is generally seen as more powerful but my question is: by how much? If I want to play casual games like BLOPS 3 or SW:BF, is there any major difference? And how about the player base? I know that PS4 has a higher installed player base, but does that mean that there are difficulties finding games with lots of players on the Xbone for major titles 2-3 months down the line? (I'm not counting exclusives like Halo who have their own massive fanbase).

Thanks!

I have both mate but I can't suggest to you which one for you to get. They both have their pro and con.
 
Between the two there is no better.. Look at your exclusives titles then make a choice. For me I ended up getting Xbox and that was only because i got such killer deal on it. When I bought it I got two games, two controllers and console for $349! Also I'm little biased towards the Xbox controller.. Graphical I cant even tell a difference between the two.. My buddy and I are playing FO4. They look great (equal) on both systems..
 
you will notice it if you take stills of both games and zoom in about 200% and go pixel by pixel

Even still will miss that blade of grass over in the bottom left corner that only shows up for .5 seconds.

All joking aside there are some visual and/or performance differences in some games and if anyone is interested digital foundry usually does a good job with the pros and cons between versions of the same title.
 
The PS4 has a 50% larger GPU and an easy to dev for unified memory pool of GDDR5. The Xbox One has a smaller GPU, due to 32MB of ESRAM on the APU, which helps with feeding the GPU good memory bandwidth, but is harder to dev for. The end result is that most games run at a higher resolution, higher FPS, or both on PS4.

The 2 notable exceptions to PS4's 3rd party game dominance that I can think of, are The Witcher 3 and AC Unity. AC Unity just seems like a terrible game that needed more optimization time, since Ubisoft's internal benchmarks showed the PS4 trashing the XBO in performance, and the game released as a broken POS on both systems, so I consider that irrelevant. The Witcher 3 ran at 900p on XBO and 1080p on PS4, but had slightly higher FPS in CPU limited situations on XBO. I think this was because the Xbox team made 7 Jaguar cores available to devs before the Playstation team was able. Around the same time PS4's APIs were updated to allow 7 cores, the Witcher 3 had a performance update, which put the PS4 version of the game on par with XBO on FPS. Currently both run just as smoothly, but the PS4 version is higher resolution.

The XBO has a pretty good upscaler, and it seemed like devs had an easier time with anisotropic filtering in some earlier cross platform titles. It seems like devs needed time to familiarize themselves with how AF was implemented in the PS4's SDK. Most games that suffered from poor AF on PS4 have been patched, but I think there's a few stragglers.... Like, uh, I think Evolve still needs AF patched, IIRC.

Let's see, what else? Hmm. The PS4 might have slightly better/faster hardware level decompression, so asset streaming is less likely to cause stutter and other issues. This recently showed itself on Fallout 4. The 1TB XBO has a hybrid drive, and wasn't effected by this problem.

XBO has a better WiFi chip than PS4. Not only does it support 5GHz, but it's dual band. Outright better WiFi vs PS4. If you game on WiFi out of necessity, XBO is better.

XBO supports external hard drives, and you can move data between external and internal HDDs. This makes it a LOT easier to do something like attach an unused 128GB SDD through an USB 3.0 enclosure, and get some faster load times. PS4 only allows media storage on external drives, no games, and that sucks.

XBO's internal hard drive can't be replaced without ripping the entire console apart in a way that most normal users wouldn't be capable of. I don't think Microsoft supports replacing the internal drive. PS4's internal HDD is VERY easy to replace, and Sony has instructions posted on how to do so online.

XBO's box is more roomy, and has a nice big 120mm fan over the APU. Tradeoff for this, is there's an external power brick. The PS4's APU is cooled by a 90mm fan blower design that reminds me of what you see for a lot of PC graphics cards. The smaller design allows for an internal power brick, but it can be slightly louder than the XBO's cooling solution. Both systems are unlikely to overheat given proper room for ventilation.

Then there's emulation based backwards compatibility. XBO has Xbox 360 emulation, that requires a digital download of the game, but can use the Xbox 360 game as a key. Xbox's team has generously decided that for games they port over to the emulator, that they'll allow previous owners to be able to play the games for no additional charge. Sony has started to port PS2 games to an emulator on PS4, and the ported games will have full trophy support, and some graphics improvements... but Sony's stance has been MUCH more greedy. Owners of PS2 classics from other Playstation systems, and disk based owners of the games, cannot play without buying the new PS4 port of the games.

Both systems have very large userbases, so I don't think online matchmaking should be a concern.
 
I was going to post that unless you're running a PS4 and Xbox One side-by-side, you'd never notice a difference, but purbeast's post also works. 🙂

You guys need to see the eye doctor. Aliasing on 720p with only post process AA is easily noticeable, even from couch distance.
 
You guys need to see the eye doctor. Aliasing on 720p with only post process AA is easily noticeable, even from couch distance.

Modify this and it is applicable for every "wine aficionado" and "audiophile" I've come across, and completely proven wrong consistently.

While, in some cases, there are differences in graphics. In only edge cases are they large enough you will notice while playing. And even then, if it bothers you to have "inferior" graphics on your console, you're too elitist for a console. Put on your big boy pants and buy a few [latest GFX card] and a 4k monitor.
 
So I got a guy willing to sell me an Xbone with Halo 5 for around $200, which I consider to be an okay deal, especially considering the console itself is less than 6 months old.

I have been thinking about getting a console more broadly, and I'm aware that PS4 is generally seen as more powerful but my question is: by how much? If I want to play casual games like BLOPS 3 or SW:BF, is there any major difference? And how about the player base? I know that PS4 has a higher installed player base, but does that mean that there are difficulties finding games with lots of players on the Xbone for major titles 2-3 months down the line? (I'm not counting exclusives like Halo who have their own massive fanbase).

Thanks!

I will say this. If you have fast internet and want to make full use of it, don't buy a PS4. PS4 is so cheap they won't even use dual band wireless. So downloading 6GB take like 40 minutes instead of 5 minutes with my internet speed.
 
Modify this and it is applicable for every "wine aficionado" and "audiophile" I've come across, and completely proven wrong consistently.

While, in some cases, there are differences in graphics. In only edge cases are they large enough you will notice while playing. And even then, if it bothers you to have "inferior" graphics on your console, you're too elitist for a console. Put on your big boy pants and buy a few [latest GFX card] and a 4k monitor.

I consider myself a videogame hobbyists, and have a good gaming PC along with most consoles... Including an og xbox and 360. If it plays games, Ill eventaully buy it. Its a cheap hobby for my income level so why not buy what I need to play what I want? I've been gaming on Wii U and PS4 a lot lately, and I'm just trying to be factual on this "resolution doesn't matter" subject. As a Wii U owner, I've spent a lot of time gaming at 720p from my couch, believe me there.

From my couch, I think 900p is the sweet spot where with a touch of AA its the point of diminishing returns. Most PS4 games can manage 900p or higher but XBO can fall under that sometimes. When that happens, its noticable. That's all I'm saying.

I think its misleading to tell someone in the market for a ps4 or xbo that the difference in resolution doesnt matter. Just as it would be misleading to say the PS4 has a good WiFi chip.

My long post wasnt all Playstation praise. I mentioned some xbo advantages as well. Notably the WiFi chip, apu cooler, external hdd support, and 360 backwards compatibility. Those features could easily ofset the resolution disparity issue to a buyer who feels that even one of them is very important.

I guess a part of me cringes at liars in this console discussion too. When people say Vita remote play works well and has no latecy I want to reach across the internet and punch them in their stupid liar face, for example.
 
When playing games like Battlefield 4, 720p and 900p is noticeable, especially when looking through the sniper scope, also the XB1 version of BF4 stutters a lot. But for games like PES or Project CARS or other such multiplatform it isn't that noticeable.
 
Do most gamers actually take the time and money to buy games on both system so they can analyze each pixel and compare to see which one is superior? I typically buy a game, load it up, and start having a good time solo, with family members or friends.
 
Do most gamers actually take the time and money to buy games on both system so they can analyze each pixel and compare to see which one is superior? I typically buy a game, load it up, and start having a good time solo, with family members or friends.


No. Most consumers buy the game for the console they have the most friends on or for the system they have. There are some people who will buy the "best" one based on some internet reviews.
 
The PS4 seems just barely powerful enough to run games without making big concessions, to the point where those that exist are barely noticeable if at all. The concessions that have to be made on the Xbox are larger, crossing over into the territory of being noticeable. Basically though it comes down to the exclusives. If you just gotta have Halo and Gears, while simultaneously caring nothing for Uncharted/Last of Us/etc than the choice is obvious. If not, the PS4 is as good if not better.

If the Battlefront/Uncharted bundles are still discounted to $300 what you should do is set up a college registry on Target, add the $300 console to it and check back a day later when you'll get a 15% off code anything in your registry. That coupled with the reduced $300 price is a decent deal on new hardware. (be sure to buy it with your Redcard too) if you want to save even more, sell the game code that comes with the system.
 
This gets a bit tired. Let's use a car analogy, people seem to understand car analogies:

So someone is considering buying a Mazda 3 or a Subaru Impreza. They have found two specific models to compare, and they're asking for advice on what the differences between the vehicles are. Someone who likes their Impreza says "I like my Impreza since it handles well in the snow with its all wheel drive", and then someone who likes their Mazda is like "Who cares? Both cars can drive fine in good weather", and the Impreza guy is like "but it snows here 8 months out of the year!" and then the Mazda dude is like "Most people don't need 4 wheel drive when it snows, this doesn't matter. Most people should just buy what they think their friends would think is more cool".

Stop being that Mazda guy, people. (No offense to anyone who likes Mazdas).
 
This gets a bit tired. Let's use a car analogy, people seem to understand car analogies:

So someone is considering buying a Mazda 3 or a Subaru Impreza. They have found two specific models to compare, and they're asking for advice on what the differences between the vehicles are. Someone who likes their Impreza says "I like my Impreza since it handles well in the snow with its all wheel drive", and then someone who likes their Mazda is like "Who cares? Both cars can drive fine in good weather", and the Impreza guy is like "but it snows here 8 months out of the year!" and then the Mazda dude is like "Most people don't need 4 wheel drive when it snows, this doesn't matter. Most people should just buy what they think their friends would think is more cool".

Stop being that Mazda guy, people. (No offense to anyone who likes Mazdas).

My Mazda is AWD and turbocharged.

:colbert:
 
This gets a bit tired. Let's use a car analogy, people seem to understand car analogies:

So someone is considering buying a Mazda 3 or a Subaru Impreza. They have found two specific models to compare, and they're asking for advice on what the differences between the vehicles are. Someone who likes their Impreza says "I like my Impreza since it handles well in the snow with its all wheel drive", and then someone who likes their Mazda is like "Who cares? Both cars can drive fine in good weather", and the Impreza guy is like "but it snows here 8 months out of the year!" and then the Mazda dude is like "Most people don't need 4 wheel drive when it snows, this doesn't matter. Most people should just buy what they think their friends would think is more cool".

Stop being that Mazda guy, people. (No offense to anyone who likes Mazdas).


That is a terrible analogy. A better one, sticking with the car motif, would be a buyer inquiring about Suburu continuous AWD vs most competitors AWD. While in most cases, while the Suburu is "superior" in this category, the driver won't notice it. It is only in very edge specific cases where it will out perform the more common AWD "when you need it" version. So, while one will shine in some very small cases, it shouldn't be the determining factor when other, arguably more important, things should be compared like color availability, warranty, interior comforts, etc. If one was looking strictly for the best performance in a specific situation, there are better alternatives to both.
 
I will say this. If you have fast internet and want to make full use of it, don't buy a PS4. PS4 is so cheap they won't even use dual band wireless. So downloading 6GB take like 40 minutes instead of 5 minutes with my internet speed.


Wireless sucks anyway even on the Xbox one. Wired is better but honestly not by much with these consoles.
 
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