Question about the LHC and Christianity

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MovingTarget

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Nope. This is not a challenge to God at all. Really, it is just an attempt to understand what he created a little better. Nothing more.
 

rudeguy

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Science is simply man trying to understand God's work.

Let me know when science creates a life from something non-living and then I might be more interested.
 

DrPizza

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Not "other universes", but if I'm not mistaken, there's the chance that CERN will be able to prove other dimensions. As far as the Higgs Boson, that's only one of the things they're looking for. There are 4 separate detectors - <rapping> "LHCb sees where the antimatter&#8217;s gone
ALICE looks at collisions of lead ions
CMS and ATLAS are two of a kind
They&#8217;re looking for whatever new particles they can find."

I'd love it if someone at CERN wouldn't mind giving me a call at 3 or 4am (my time) whenever they make some amazing discovery.
 

Crono

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Not "other universes", but if I'm not mistaken, there's the chance that CERN will be able to prove other dimensions. As far as the Higgs Boson, that's only one of the things they're looking for. There are 4 separate detectors - <rapping> "LHCb sees where the antimatter&#8217;s gone
ALICE looks at collisions of lead ions
CMS and ATLAS are two of a kind
They&#8217;re looking for whatever new particles they can find."

I'd love it if someone at CERN wouldn't mind giving me a call at 3 or 4am (my time) whenever they make some amazing discovery.

Wait a minute, you're not that doctor, are you?

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Nik

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Science is simply man trying to understand God's work.

Let me know when science creates a life from something non-living and then I might be more interested.

Let me know when there's any evidence of god's existence, then I might be more interested.
 

rudeguy

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Let me know when there's any evidence of god's existence, then I might be more interested.

You existing at all is a good sign. You being able to form complex thoughts is an even greater sign. There is evidence all around us...its just a matter of accepting it and not trying to deny it.
 

Jeff7

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Science is simply man trying to understand God's work.

Let me know when science creates a life from something non-living and then I might be more interested.
Interestingly enough, we do that all the time - you convert food and water into new life (cells), and can even take place in creating new life forms. Nothing mystical or magical about it.;)



You existing at all is a good sign. You being able to form complex thoughts is an even greater sign. There is evidence all around us...its just a matter of accepting it and not trying to deny it.
God exists. That is evidence of an even higher entity.


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It's the cirrrrcle of logiiiiic!
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Besides, we all know that the LHC is meant to break a hole in the Van Allen Radiation Belts, and let in all the Satany air.
 
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Nik

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You existing at all is a good sign. You being able to form complex thoughts is an even greater sign. There is evidence all around us...its just a matter of accepting it and not trying to deny it.

My existence is just as much evidence for santa clause and the tooth fairy as it is proof that god exists.
 

rudeguy

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Interestingly enough, we do that all the time - you convert food and water into new life (cells), and can even take place in creating new life forms. Nothing mystical or magical about it.;)

But I am living....
 

Locut0s

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Correct me if I'm wrong too. I don't mean to overstate the importance of the Higgs Boson.

Yeah you are overstating it's importance. Well at least for it's larger implications anyway. To physicist who have been working on this their whole life it IS that important. Basically to boil it down to it's essentials the Higgs Boson is the last missing piece of the Standard Model of particle physics. The standard model is the framework based on quantium mechanics that describe 3 of the 4 fundamental forces of nature and all the interactions between subatonic particles. The Standard Model + general realtivity basically describes almost everything. Now the Stanard Model has made some of the most accurate predictions in human history so most of it is very well grounded (though there are holes and other prblems that people are working on intensely). The Higgs particle is the last piece of this puzzle that has yet to be observed. The Higgs particle (actually the higgs mechanis) gives all the other subatomic particles their masses. For physicists it's like finding the last pieve of a puzzle you have been working on for 60+ years! So yeah it's exciting but it's tecnical and there is obsolutely nothing spiratural about it.
 

Nik

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Are you going with the Naturalist school of thought here?

Not even sure what that is and I'm too lazy to look it up.

Find a conclusion based on evidence. Don't attribute evidence to whatever conclusion you're trying to support.

Our existence only proves that we exist, not that god does. I think therefore I am, not I think therefore god exists.
 

Locut0s

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any updates to the LHC runs over the weekend? They were supposed to break a record or something, but they don't have any news on the website.

They decided to take things slower and move ahead step by step, don't want another crash! As of today they just announced the first particle collisions though!!!
 

rudeguy

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Not even sure what that is and I'm too lazy to look it up.

Find a conclusion based on evidence. Don't attribute evidence to whatever conclusion you're trying to support.

Our existence only proves that we exist, not that god does. I think therefore I am, not I think therefore god exists.

But if there is no God...than why is there something rather than nothing?
 

Poulsonator

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CERN is conducting experiments to determine the existence of our universe and/or multiple universes.

If your christian, do you believe this to be a challenge to God (like the Tower of Babel)? And if so, would he intervene?

Hah, good one. There's no bigger voyeur than God. He sits back and watches as we humans murder and pillage and destroy our Earth. Why would He care about the LHC??
 

Crono

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They decided to take things slower and move ahead step by step, don't want another crash! As of today they just announced the first particle collisions though!!!

First collisions ever for the LHC, or just since its downtime the past few months?
 

Kadarin

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You existing at all is a good sign. You being able to form complex thoughts is an even greater sign. There is evidence all around us...its just a matter of accepting it and not trying to deny it.

"We exist and can form complex thoughts, therefore God exists." Please explain how you get from the part before the comma to the part after the comma. My guess is that your argument would consist of a fancy version of "I have no idea how and why we are the way we are, so therefore, a higher being called God must have done it."

Intellectual lightweight.
 

Locut0s

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Science is simply man trying to understand God's work.

Let me know when science creates a life from something non-living and then I might be more interested.

We're pretty close to being able to do that now. Machines can now assemble arbitrary lengths of DNA to order. We understanding the basic cellular machinery better and better every day. It's only a matter of time before be will be able to build simple cells from scratch.
 
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But I am living....

And what, the cells that make up your body aren't?

WTF is with the religious people on here going from arguing against science to this "science is just showing God and how great he is" stuff? It pisses me off because its not sincere and reeks of submission solely because you can't actually make sense of things. Just tired of getting slapped around when you try to argue science armed only with what your religion tells you instead of actually studying the science?