Question: 2nd amendment and reactions

[spidey07]

Nice way to not tell the whole truth and then keep adding still no link or proof.....

Go fuck yourself.

The case is well known, it was a billy club and witnesses reported the threats of violence. You can google.

 

[fskimospy]

Knowing the background of the situation in these pics plays into my response. I honestly wouldnt think much of either if I saw them independent of the background stories.

I can say that if someone was talking by me with a semiautomatic rifle slung over their shoulder it would most certainly make me uncomfortable.

Youtube is filled with this weird shit of people bringing weapons to fast food places, grocery stores, whatever, and filming people's uncomfortable reactions to them as if it's something to be proud of. I don't get this aggressive assholery.

 

[Pens1566]

Go fuck yourself.

The case is well known and the charge was voter intimidation, a federal crime.

Except they never pressed that charge. It was a civil action. Thanks for playing. Back to your klan meeting.

 

[irishScott]

Taking each picture in an objective context, neither is threatening or terrorizing.

Depends entirely on what the people in the picture intend to do with their weapons. So long as they remained holstered/slung and only used in lawful conduct I have no issue.

Oh wait, I'm sorry. You were expecting to play the increasingly irrelevant/archaic race card. ZOMG BLACK PEOPLES WITH WEAPONZ NEED TO BE STOPPED FOR AMURICA FREEDUMSS!!!!! That better? /sarcasm

 

[spidey07]

Except they never pressed that charge. It was a civil action. Thanks for playing. Back to your klan meeting.

They were arrested and charged with voter intimidation.

The case is well known and you can go fuck yourself as well. Eric Holder, a black panther himself, had the obvious rock solid case of federal voter intimidation dropped.

 

[etrigan420]

I don't get this aggressive assholery.

Neither do a lot of us gun owners.

It's all about context really. If the dude with the AR was just casually walking around with it slung over his back it probably wouldn't bother me so much. If he's doing "tuck-n-rolls" and talking to "Charlie" under his breath while fingering the trigger then I'd probably be a little more wary.

 

[sigurros81]

Except they never pressed that charge. It was a civil action. Thanks for playing. Back to your klan meeting.

Spidey's way of interpreting truth is if there's any sort of outrage, it must be true.

 

[xj0hnx]

Good lord people, how about instead of trying to get a gotcha on Spidey just be fucking adults and look it up ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case

I'd say knowing the stories that clearly the Black Panthers incident is a much worse scenario. They were there with the express intent to intimidate voters, weapon in hand, and actively threatening people.

 

[irishScott]

Neither do a lot of us gun owners.

It's all about context really. If the dude with the AR was just casually walking around with it slung over his back it probably wouldn't bother me so much. If he's doing "tuck-n-rolls" and talking to "Charlie" under his breath while fingering the trigger then I'd probably be a little more wary.

This. If I see a slung rifle I probably wouldn't do all that much. If he unslung it and had it shouldered, I'd probably discretely draw.

 

[Moonbeam]

Guns are not threatening unless they are drawn and in somebody's hand. Otherwise they are not a threat.

It's always nice to see somebody say something so programmed as to be obviously irrational. You see, guns have consciousness. They are aware living beings, and they are also supernatural in their power. They are threatening because, at the stroke of a wand, they can jump into the hand of a human in just a flash and kill you. It is this amazing ability to jump from an inert state into the hands of a madman in just seconds that makes then a dangerous threat.

Those clubs of those black guys, for example, aren't much of a threat, we know they don't want white people to vote, but that gun on the back of that white guy could want everybody in that store dead.

 

[sigurros81]

Crazy mass shooters that are black? How many of them are there? And what about the numbers of crazy mass shooters that are white?

How many people have died from billy clubs vs how many people have died from a semi-auto rifle? Gee, now I wonder who are the irrational people here, who are going to be intimidated by a couple of dumbass looking dudes holding billy clubs outside a polling station.

 

[Genx87]

I can say that if someone was talking by me with a semiautomatic rifle slung over their shoulder it would most certainly make me uncomfortable.

Youtube is filled with this weird shit of people bringing weapons to fast food places, grocery stores, whatever, and filming people's uncomfortable reactions to them as if it's something to be proud of. I don't get this aggressive assholery.

I get that guy in Krogers is trying to make a point. But at the same time why? Some things are better left unsaid.

But I never get bothered by people with weapons.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Good lord people, how about instead of trying to get a gotcha on Spidey just be fucking adults and look it up ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case

Because thats the leftist mentality.

Eric Holder has no integrity as referenced by him and his masters obfuscation of fast-n-furious.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Crazy mass shooters that are black? How many of them are there? And what about the numbers of crazy mass shooters that are white?

How many people have died from billy clubs vs how many people have died from a semi-auto rifle? Gee, now I wonder who are the irrational people here, who are going to be intimidated by a couple of dumbass looking dudes holding billy clubs outside a polling station.

So are we to surmise that assault weapons should be banned from a white persons clutches?

 

[sigurros81]

Good lord people, how about instead of trying to get a gotcha on Spidey just be fucking adults and look it up ...

It's fun picking on the special needs people. Have you never done it when you were in grade school?

 

[sigurros81]

So are we to surmise that assault weapons should be banned from a white persons clutches?

No, that sounds idiotic.

 

[PokerGuy]

I can say that if someone was talking by me with a semiautomatic rifle slung over their shoulder it would most certainly make me uncomfortable.

That's the problem, there is no reason for that to be the case. Unless someone brandishes a weapon, it's no more dangerous (in fact less dangerous) than seeing a car on the road.

Youtube is filled with this weird sh*t of people bringing weapons to fast food places, grocery stores, whatever, and filming people's uncomfortable reactions to them as if it's something to be proud of. I don't get this aggressive assholery.

Personally I don't see the need to push people's buttons, but on the flip side, it's no different than someone using their right to free speech in a way that might offend others (as often happens during gay pride parades). I don't understand the need to annoy or anger others, but as long as they are within their rights, they should be able to do it.

 

[Incorruptible]

Really? You cant see the difference? The locations of both pictures should give you a clue. You didnt think this one out very well.

What else do you expect from him , He just sees black and white and its always black people that are the victims of racism never the whites

How quickly can we get this thread locked and this troll banned?

Agree, Nothing but a pure race baiter and troll just like al sharpton/jesse jackson

HomerJS with another race thread! Whodathunkit?

Don vito hit it on the head.

It seems race is all he is capable of talking about

 

[xj0hnx]

Crazy mass shooters that are black? How many of them are there? And what about the numbers of crazy mass shooters that are white?

How many people have died from billy clubs vs how many people have died from a semi-auto rifle? Gee, now I wonder who are the irrational people here, who are going to be intimidated by a couple of dumbass looking dudes holding billy clubs outside a polling station.

Asinine. How many people are killed in fires, should people freak out and run for their lives when someone lights a cigarettes?

 

[NoStateofMind]

That's the problem, there is no reason for that to be the case. Unless someone brandishes a weapon, it's no more dangerous (in fact less dangerous) than seeing a car on the road.



Personally I don't see the need to push people's buttons, but on the flip side, it's no different than someone using their right to free speech in a way that might offend others (as often happens during gay pride parades). I don't understand the need to annoy or anger others, but as long as they are within their rights, they should be able to do it.

Then the underlying question really is:

Do you need to exercise your Rights in order to keep them?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

That's the problem, there is no reason for that to be the case. Unless someone brandishes a weapon, it's no more dangerous (in fact less dangerous) than seeing a car on the road.

Personally I don't see the need to push people's buttons, but on the flip side, it's no different than someone using their right to free speech in a way that might offend others (as often happens during gay pride parades). I don't understand the need to annoy or anger others, but as long as they are within their rights, they should be able to do it.

These are entirely legitimate points.

Where I part ways from this post is the your position that people should not be concerned when they see a civilian walking around a grocery store or department store with a loaded AR-15. To the contrary, I think it would be foolish not to heighten one's guard in that situation. On the other hand, I do not see any reason for people to be similarly wary of someone driving at a safe and appropriate speed in the store's parking lot.

The reality is that because seeing the gun is a much rarer event, and unlike the car, the mere fact that someone is openly carrying it suggests (in my view, though I imagine not in yours) that the bearer is at a minimum a little wacky, and potentially an aspiring spree killer.

Moreover, the mere fact that it is legal to exercise one's rights in a particular way doesn't mean it isn't obnoxious. To me the guy carrying an AR-15 in JC Penney is analogous to (though probably more innocuous than) the God Hates Fags people - using their legal and Constitutionally-protected rights in a provocative and disruptive way.

 

[NoStateofMind]

No, that sounds idiotic.

Yeah I thought so too.

 

[fskimospy]

That's the problem, there is no reason for that to be the case. Unless someone brandishes a weapon, it's no more dangerous (in fact less dangerous) than seeing a car on the road.

I think a person with a semiautomatic rifle has considerably more ability to cause injury or death than a person in a car. Additionally, people require cars to conduct daily business; it is unlikely that person's daily business requires a rifle. I simply don't view them as analogous.

Personally I don't see the need to push people's buttons, but on the flip side, it's no different than someone using their right to free speech in a way that might offend others (as often happens during gay pride parades). I don't understand the need to annoy or anger others, but as long as they are within their rights, they should be able to do it.

Nobody is trying to force them to stop, I am just noting that doing things like that is generally acting like an asshole.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Anyone who believes it is acceptable or desirable in a civilized society for citizens to shop in a department store with an assault rifle slung across their back is bat shit crazy.

That is all.

 

[Tom]

I think we need a little clarity here. 1. what's the intention ? 2. what message is being sent ? 3. how does a particular person see the message ?

By asking which is threatening you're asking how each of us as individuals perceive things. I don't think that's terribly interesting, some people are afraid of coconuts.