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Lyfer

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you can build a 4-5 XP1700 overclock rig's in a LAN with $3K, alienware is no alternative unless you have money falling out of yoru @ss.
 

LordMorpheus

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Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
you can get a Dell that performs almost as well for much less money
All wrapped in a not-much-upgradeable proprietary box.


wrong. As i type, I am on a Dell workstation (new style case).

This thing is a dream to upgrade. The front and left panel are hinged the the front right corner, so, if you need something to put in, just swing it open. At each drive bay hangs either a SCSI or an IDE cable and a power cable nearly exactly where you need them if you wish to install a drive. The cable running is so beutiful I almost cried when I saw it. The PCI slots are completely open and perfectly accesable. Addind more RAM would be incredibly easy. I wish they sold these cases retail by themselve, for I would never use anything different.
 

Woody419

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you can get a Dell that performs almost as well for much less moneyAll wrapped in a not-much-upgradeable proprietary box.
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
[/quote]wrong. As i type, I am on a Dell workstation (new style case).[/quote]
What was probably meant is that the power supply and the motherboard are proprietary designs and you might have a hard time putting in one of those new 64 bit processor/motherboards (when they come out) in the admittedly terrific Dell case.

It is just like building a new machine using a 400MHz FSB AMD CPU and a 400MHz FSB motherboard. I will be fast right now, but a dead end if you want to upgrade after September. Of course this is nothing new.

 
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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Alienware also uses better power supplys and ties off all their wiring. They have custom tweaking software and an email system that informs you of all driver updates for your PC. It comes with self diagnostic and restore CDs that include XP tweaks to make it run faster. Exclusive Alienware only support forums. And tons more.

Theres a lot of little things alienware has that other people dont. Thats what youre paying for, on top of a top of the line PC with good support.

Last i knew, Alienware uses Corsair LL.

all that still doesn't come close to compensating for the price
 

mosco

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Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
you can get a Dell that performs almost as well for much less money
All wrapped in a not-much-upgradeable proprietary box.


wrong. As i type, I am on a Dell workstation (new style case).

This thing is a dream to upgrade. The front and left panel are hinged the the front right corner, so, if you need something to put in, just swing it open. At each drive bay hangs either a SCSI or an IDE cable and a power cable nearly exactly where you need them if you wish to install a drive. The cable running is so beutiful I almost cried when I saw it. The PCI slots are completely open and perfectly accesable. Addind more RAM would be incredibly easy. I wish they sold these cases retail by themselve, for I would never use anything different.

I wonder who they got that from,



Click Here to see where dell gets its ideas

Love or hate apple, they have been using that case since at least 98 which is very similar to what dell started to do. I still think thats one of the best designed cases although i do think it needs some upgrades to it.
 

Ardan

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I have two home-built PC systems that perform flawlessly and have no issues. I am not biased towards anyone but Alienware is a lot more than just a maker of flashy PCs, as someone stated in here. My friend bought one, and it is a great PC with all of the features that one person mentioned (email notifications of driver updates and more). Plus, I wasn't called over to sit down and figure out how to get the top performance out of his PC :p. He bought the PC last week and that AlienIce system is NOT loud. That system is very quiet and I give them a lot of credit for building a stylish, fast, and relatively quiet PC.

There really is nothing wrong about Alienware and we have bought a $3000 computer once, and it lasted us 7 years and still could run just fine. Just because someone doesn't want to build their own PC or doesn't have the time to/doesn't know how to doesn't mean they shouldn't buy an Alienware PC. Personally I wouldn't go for a Dell, and would go from ABS Computer (I have had two relatives buy from there, and the systems are awesome) if I was buying a pre-built system, not dell or Alienware.
 

BahbRF

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Personally I wouldn't go for a Dell, and would go from ABS Computer (I have had two relatives buy from there, and the systems are awesome) if I was buying a pre-built system, not dell or Alienware.

Right on! The system I use is a pre-built ABS. Actually, my last two systems have been. They have great tech support, and their prices are insanely low! I was able to get a 3.0C system with 2GB of ram for around $2500. No RAM of course. I did the math, and after shipping, this system was cheaper than it would have been if I had built the system myself using parts from Newegg.com.
 

Ardan

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Originally posted by: BahbRF
Personally I wouldn't go for a Dell, and would go from ABS Computer (I have had two relatives buy from there, and the systems are awesome) if I was buying a pre-built system, not dell or Alienware.

Right on! The system I use is a pre-built ABS. Actually, my last two systems have been. They have great tech support, and their prices are insanely low! I was able to get a 3.0C system with 2GB of ram for around $2500. No RAM of course. I did the math, and after shipping, this system was cheaper than it would have been if I had built the system myself using parts from Newegg.com.

Yeah, and I had told them to buy them from there because it WAS cheaper as you said. First time I saw one of there's was a 2.2Ghz P4 system for my cousin and I was very impressed with the setup instructions as well as how organized it was. They did such a good job with instructions that a relatively computer illiterate guy (though a very fast learner) managed to set up his PC and components without my help. Someone got mad that I didn't do it for him but just sat and helped him when he asked, but I feel that people need to get experience with setting them up. He's very tech-savvy now too :D.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
If you stick with any of the good name brands(Crucial,Geil,etc.), You will be fine. Maybe better. ;)
Wait a minute. If you stick with good brands, then sure, you'll be OK. However, under no circumstances should Geil be considered a "good name brand." I bought two sticks of Geil PC3500, and neither would work above 190MHz. I tried different boards and different configurations, and nothing worked. Geil is hit or miss.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Ardan He bought the PC last week and that AlienIce system is NOT loud. That system is very quiet and I give them a lot of credit for building a stylish, fast, and relatively quiet PC.

have you ever heard a loud OEM system? i haven't.
 

GaryShandling

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Originally posted by: timmyG
Originally posted by: Woody419
According to the July 2003 issue of Maximum PC, which has a review of the $2,999 Area-51, it uses 1GB Corsair DDR400 (two 512MB DIMMS). It doesn't get any better than that.

but who spends 3Gs on a computer?

I did, but not $3000, but £3000 which = $5000. Sometimes i wake up at night and wonder wtf i did.
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: timmyG
Originally posted by: Woody419
According to the July 2003 issue of Maximum PC, which has a review of the $2,999 Area-51, it uses 1GB Corsair DDR400 (two 512MB DIMMS). It doesn't get any better than that.

but who spends 3Gs on a computer?

I spent near 3k a couple months ago.

 

GaryShandling

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Originally posted by: KingSVT
basiclly you are paying for the name just like a Ferarri or something like that
:)

Tell me what other manufacturer sells cars half the price with the specs of a ferrari? :)
 

KingSVT

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hmm
that is a good one
i could say saleen
because the sr is pretty badass
but the s7 is like 400k
got me
:p
 

GonzoDaGr8

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
If you stick with any of the good name brands(Crucial,Geil,etc.), You will be fine. Maybe better. ;)
Wait a minute. If you stick with good brands, then sure, you'll be OK. However, under no circumstances should Geil be considered a "good name brand." I bought two sticks of Geil PC3500, and neither would work above 190MHz. I tried different boards and different configurations, and nothing worked. Geil is hit or miss.
I was just kinda guessing on the Geil part there...Actually, I've barely even heard of them, But have seen the name being thrown around in a positive manner in the mobo forums. I figured I would get dinged for that one. I personally have had the greatest luck with Micron and Kingston.
wrong. As i type, I am on a Dell workstation (new style case).
Try to screw in a standard ATX board and then tell me I am wrong..Mkay.
 

GaryShandling

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"Instead of relying on expensive RAMBUS memory, this new platform ? powered by Intel?s own 875P-based chipset, motherboard, and CPU ? uses relatively inexpensive DDR memory"

That answers the memory question, its a cheapo ram.

(Quote taken from Alienware review)
 

GonzoDaGr8

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Originally posted by: GaryShandling
"Instead of relying on expensive RAMBUS memory, this new platform ? powered by Intel?s own 875P-based chipset, motherboard, and CPU ? uses relatively inexpensive DDR memory"

That answers the memory question, its a cheapo ram.

(Quote taken from Alienware review)
Umm. No, they are saying that the DDR is inexpensive in relation to the Rambus ram. Not saying that they are using cheapo ram.

 

GaryShandling

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Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
Originally posted by: GaryShandling
"Instead of relying on expensive RAMBUS memory, this new platform ? powered by Intel?s own 875P-based chipset, motherboard, and CPU ? uses relatively inexpensive DDR memory"

That answers the memory question, its a cheapo ram.

(Quote taken from Alienware review)
Umm. No, they are saying that the DDR is inexpensive in relation to the Rambus ram. Not saying that they are using cheapo ram.

Why? and why not use a brand name which everyone likes?
 

GonzoDaGr8

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Originally posted by: GaryShandling
Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
Originally posted by: GaryShandling
"Instead of relying on expensive RAMBUS memory, this new platform ? powered by Intel?s own 875P-based chipset, motherboard, and CPU ? uses relatively inexpensive DDR memory"

That answers the memory question, its a cheapo ram.

(Quote taken from Alienware review)
Umm. No, they are saying that the DDR is inexpensive in relation to the Rambus ram. Not saying that they are using cheapo ram.

Why? and why not use a brand name which everyone likes?


Not be outdone by a ?measly? video card, Intel?s contribution to this PC?s speed isn?t slight. Instead of relying on expensive RAMBUS memory, this new platform ? powered by Intel?s own 875P-based chipset, motherboard, and CPU ? uses relatively inexpensive DDR memory. But amazingly, it still keeps pace, and in some cases surpasses, the speed of the existing flagship memory format. How? Because the new CPU?s system bus runs at 800MHZ ? 267MHz faster than the fastest RAMBUS systems on the market. Less expensive and faster? Hard to argue with that!
There is the whole quote from the article....Again, They're saying that DDR is inexpensive compared to Rambus. They are NOT saying that Alienware is using CHEAP RAM.
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: GaryShandling
Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
Originally posted by: GaryShandling
"Instead of relying on expensive RAMBUS memory, this new platform ? powered by Intel?s own 875P-based chipset, motherboard, and CPU ? uses relatively inexpensive DDR memory"

That answers the memory question, its a cheapo ram.

(Quote taken from Alienware review)
Umm. No, they are saying that the DDR is inexpensive in relation to the Rambus ram. Not saying that they are using cheapo ram.

Why? and why not use a brand name which everyone likes?

Rambus is not a brand name. It is a type of ram like DDR is a type of ram. DDR primarily because of its huge installed user base is typically much less expensive than Rambus. I personally have never seen any OEM specify a Brand name on the ram installed in any of their systems although as was mentioned earlier in the thread it is well known that Alienware uses Corsair XMS ram in their systems. Considering the cost of their systems and the high quality of the other parts they use I doubt very much that they would take a chance on anything less than the best in the ram they spec for their boxes.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: GaryShandling
Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
Originally posted by: GaryShandling "Instead of relying on expensive RAMBUS memory, this new platform ? powered by Intel?s own 875P-based chipset, motherboard, and CPU ? uses relatively inexpensive DDR memory" That answers the memory question, its a cheapo ram. (Quote taken from Alienware review)
Umm. No, they are saying that the DDR is inexpensive in relation to the Rambus ram. Not saying that they are using cheapo ram.
Why? and why not use a brand name which everyone likes?

Damn, talk about shallow! "I will only buy memory from Muskin - tehy R0X0RS!!!"
rolleye.gif
 

GaryShandling

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Originally posted by: NesuD
Originally posted by: GaryShandling
Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
Originally posted by: GaryShandling
"Instead of relying on expensive RAMBUS memory, this new platform ? powered by Intel?s own 875P-based chipset, motherboard, and CPU ? uses relatively inexpensive DDR memory"

That answers the memory question, its a cheapo ram.

(Quote taken from Alienware review)
Umm. No, they are saying that the DDR is inexpensive in relation to the Rambus ram. Not saying that they are using cheapo ram.

Why? and why not use a brand name which everyone likes?

Rambus is not a brand name. It is a type of ram like DDR is a type of ram. DDR primarily because of its huge installed user base is typically much less expensive than Rambus. I personally have never seen any OEM specify a Brand name on the ram installed in any of their systems although as was mentioned earlier in the thread it is well known that Alienware uses Corsair XMS ram in their systems. Considering the cost of their systems and the high quality of the other parts they use I doubt very much that they would take a chance on anything less than the best in the ram they spec for their boxes.

Why not state there using corsair? is that asking too much.
 

GonzoDaGr8

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Why not state there using corsair? is that asking too much.
No, It probably isn't asking too much for them to list what brand of ram they are using, But when they are trying to push other big things like the actual type of ram they use, Radeon9800 pro vidcards, P4 3.0, etc., actual ram manufacturer probably takes a back seat.