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Quebec now allows mercy killing.

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tynopik said:
perhaps we should allow people to sell themselves into slavery too

if they're adults and mentally capable, there's no reason for public interference in very private matters

i mean, what's the worst that could happen?

there's a reason these are known as 'kill yourself already grandma so i can get my money' laws.

there is no way for such a law NOT to lead to increased elder abuse and bullying as people attempt to 'influence' the elderly to do what they want
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Very different issue don't you think? The ones considering euthanasia are generally speaking terminally ill. They want to end their lives while it is still under their control. I don't see a problem with that. As long as there is proper psych eval and clear intent that is from the person, I don't see why it is a problem.

We are really just allowing them to commit suicide.
 
sdifox said:
Very different issue don't you think? The ones considering euthanasia are generally speaking terminally ill.
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life is a terminal condition

sdifox said:
As long as there is proper psych eval and clear intent that is from the person, I don't see why it is a problem.
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that's the fairytale version

In the real world those 'safeguards' will be bypassed as easily as requiring a doctor's prescription to get 'medical' marijuana back when that was the rage.


sdifox said:
We are really just allowing them to commit suicide.
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no matter how well-intentioned the cause, you have to look for the unintended consequences

and in this case it's pretty obvious: increased elder abuse, both physical and mental

it's inherent whenever you have unequal power relationships and why we have limits on contracts. Some contract terms are unenforceable even if you do agree to them. Why? Because otherwise people will take advantage of their power and force others into very, very unfavorable terms.
 
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tynopik said:
life is a terminal condition



that's the fairytale version

In the real world those 'safeguards' will be bypassed as easily as requiring a doctor's prescription to get 'medical' marijuana back when that was the rage.




no matter how well-intentioned the cause, you have to look for the unintended consequences

and in this case it's pretty obvious: increased elder abuse, both physical and mental

it's inherent whenever you have unequal power relationships and why we have limits on contracts. Some contract terms are unenforceable even if you do agree to them. Why? Because otherwise people will take advantage of their power and force others into very, very unfavorable terms.
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You would rather let a person linger in anguish rather than let them die?

Also, if a person is being abused to the point of having euthanasia forced upon them, don't you think said person would report it to the doctors and psychiatrists they would have to talk with before being qualified for assisted suicide?
 
sdifox said:
You would rather let a person linger in anguish rather than let them die?
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who said anything about anguish? pain management can be very, very good these days

but still that's just looking at one side and ignoring the consequences.

do you think an increased amount of elder abuse is a good thing?


sdifox said:
Also, if a person is being abused to the point of having euthanasia forced upon them, don't you think said person would report it to the doctors and psychiatrists they would have to talk with before being qualified for assisted suicide?
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Do you expect all domestic violence victims to report it to the police?

Time and again they'll go to the hospital and claim they 'fell down the stairs' or something.

This is no different.
 
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tynopik said:
who said anything about anguish? pain management can be very, very good these days

but still that's just looking at one side and ignoring the consequences.

do you think an increased amount of elder abuse is a good thing?




Do you expect all domestic violence victims to report it to the police?

Time and again they'll go to the hospital and claim they 'fell down the stairs' or something.

This is no different.
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http://www.current-oncology.com/index.php/oncology/article/view/923/751
 
I'm sure there are a few members here who would help you on your way. Just ask for their address and try to break into their house. They have a hardon to kill. 😛
 
tynopik said:
nope, it doesn't follow at all
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You are arguing there is potential for abuse for euthanasia so it should remain banned. Yet, when there is a priviledge that we know killed 33k Americans in 2009, which means the priviledge is being abused, you won’t ban it.
 
FalseChristian said:
If you and your doctor agree in writing that to die would be the most best possible choice it can now be done legally.

I've been in touch with a few doctors in Quebec and 1 of them has agreed to help me commit suicide.

I can't wait! I forgot who said it but the saying goes: There are fates worse than death.

To mods: I am not suicidal and I've done nothing wrong or illegal so I'd appreciate it if you would respect my wishes and not ban me. Thank you.
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But it would be a mercy killing. For us. 😛
 
sdifox said:
You are arguing there is potential for abuse for euthanasia so it should remain banned. Yet, when there is a priviledge that we know killed 33k Americans in 2009, which means the priviledge is being abused, you won’t ban it.
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because the benefits outweigh the costs. this isn't difficult

the author was willing to take physical pain off the table so we're left with mental pain and unconscious patients

am i willing to abridge the 'rights' of unconscious patients and those who need to see a shrink to protect others from real abuse? You betcha.
 
tynopik said:
because the benefits outweigh the costs. this isn't difficult

the author was willing to take physical pain off the table so we're left with mental pain and unconscious patients

am i willing to abridge the 'rights' of unconscious patients and those who need to see a shrink to protect others from real abuse? You betcha.
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Physician-assisted suicide is also legal in Oregon, Washington, and Vermont. In 2012 77 terminal Oregonians ended their suffering with the assistance from 66 doctors.

Contrary to doomsayers, the system has not been used to expedite the death of elders nor have a significant number of people sought to end their lives. There are safety checks in place to prevent malfeasance and abuse.

In my opinion, compassionate assisted suicide is a fundamental human right.
 
I worry that there will be pressure on terminally ill people to end their life for financial reasons, or even people who are medicated to the point of not being able to make such a decision being influenced into taking this route.
 
Agent11 said:
I worry that there will be pressure on terminally ill people to end their life for financial reasons, or even people who are medicated to the point of not being able to make such a decision being influenced into taking this route.
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It's been legal in your state for quite a while and there don't seem to be any issues so far.
 
I know people are going to cry necro, but this is a related story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q3jgSkxV1rw

Doctor Low was the doctor leading the fight against SARS in Toronto. He got brain tumor and made this video to plead for assisted suicide.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...osthumous-plea-for-assisted-suicide-1.1866332


This one is a Conservative MP going against party stand

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steven-fletcher-conservative-mp-backs-assisted-suicide-1.1867151
 
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tynopik said:
who said anything about anguish? pain management can be very, very good these days

but still that's just looking at one side and ignoring the consequences.


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bwhahahahah spoken like a person who knows nobody whith chronic pain. CAN pain management be very good? HELL YES. is it? no.

The DEA will ARREST doctors that give out what the dea feels is to much medication. even to those that need it.

The DEA will ARREST people with legal prescription that need it.

There was (or is still ongoing) a HUGE shortage of Pain meds. oddly it was traced back to the DEA.

The govenment tried to set a limit on pain meds a person can have. It equaled out to 2 low level (5-325mg) a day. rather useless for many people.
Do some research on Pain managment and what is REALLY happening.This is happening for peoople not just with chronic pain (ie fibro, RA, etc) but those with terminal cancer.

I used to be 100% against suicide. more i read and research i am not. why should a person with Terminal and painful cancer be forced to deal with the pain because the govenment is afraid some kid might get addicted to pain meds? why do we make it worse? why shouldn't they be able to die instead of living a few years in torture?

disappoint said:
Sometimes suicidal people feel better the closer they come to suicide because they are relieved their suffering will end soon.
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for many with a terminal illness is a release from the pain/suffering. they welcome it.
 
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so can we sign people up for this?

I've got a few people in mind. If they took them out, it would ease my misery.
 
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