quarantine nurse complains

[massmedia]

I guess 1000+ papers in Pubmed from 1955-2013 (just to filter out any recent stuff from this year) means nothing too.

1977 1st paper I see.
Where does 1955 come from?
Your own review article states "discovered in 1976" so...

Also: it's quality, not quantity... as in not that review article you threw up.
Also: it's relevance, not quantity... as in not quoting #'s of articles with ebola somewhere in their title abstract or keywords... as in not articles such as:

• Cohen, J. and K. Kupferschmidt "Infectious Diseases. Ebola vaccine trials raise ethical issues." Science 346(6207): 289-90.
• Curfman, G. D., S. Morrissey, et al. "Where Is the Surgeon General?" N Engl J Med.
• Kiley, M. P., E. T. Bowen, et al. (1982). "Filoviridae: a taxonomic home for Marburg and Ebola viruses?" Intervirology 18(1-2): 24-32.
• Kiley, M. P., R. L. Regnery, et al. (1980). "Ebola virus: identification of virion structural proteins." J Gen Virol 49(2): 333-41.
• Korb, G. and W. Slenczka (1981). "[Light microscopy study of Ebola virus hepatitis in guinea pigs]." Verh Dtsch Ges Pathol 65: 100-2.
• Kurata, T., R. Hondo, et al. (1983). "Detection of viral antigens in formalin-fixed specimens by enzyme treatment." Ann N Y Acad Sci 420: 192-207.
• Lupton, H. W. (1981). "Inactivation of Ebola virus with 60Co irradiation." J Infect Dis 143(2): 291

those are among your 1000+ papers and they do not inform on the issue of whether or not a quarantine is called for. There are countless others just like them so declaring 1000+ as meaningful to informing on quarantine is a bit baffling. are you trolling?

 

[massmedia]

Ah, if there isn't more evidence that you have never read a single scientific journal article about Ebola, this ignorant post reflects it. Explain to me why the Gire et al paper recently published in Science was conducted in the "middle of nowhere?" Are you serious in trying to tell us that Harvard University, where the processing and sequencing of the virus is the "middle of nowhere?"

here's where scientific illiteracy rears it's unfortunate head.
that article is simply not relevant to informing on the issue of whether individuals potentially exposed to ebola and therefore potentially infected should be quarantined. A genomics study is not going to provide that kind of info. The types of studies that need to be performed for you all to declare that non-symptomatic exposed individuals are not a threat and base that claim "in science" is to perform an intensive study on such individuals. Mapping viral mutations ain't it. If you were a scientist in this field you would know better.

Better yet, explain to me why you think the NEJM article by Baize et al is considered "in the middle of nowhere?" All samples were processed and tested in Lyon, France and Hamburg Germany. That's in the "middle of nowhere?"

Fact is that you haven't read a single journal article about Ebola. Or else you wouldn't be making such ignorant claims about the research. And that's just two studies, published in some of the major scientific journals. There's plenty more we can talk about.

again, wrong study. doesn't provide information applicable to the quarantine issue. maybe you've just joined the discussion without realizing what was being discussed because it isn't genomics and it isn't a paper demonstrating what we all know "This study demonstrates the emergence of a new EBOV strain in Guinea."

 

[Zorkorist]

Ya'll can go fuck yourselves with your Government intervention into a sovereign persons life.

Arrest her, or get the fuck away.

-John

 

[alkemyst]

Ya'll can go fuck yourselves with your Government intervention into a sovereign persons life.

Arrest her, or get the fuck away.

-John

So what are your thoughts about someone with AIDS/HIV not disclosing that to their sexual partners?

 

[Zorkorist]

Arrest him, and charge him.

Note. What you said is concrete.

-John

 

[alkemyst]

Arrest him, and charge him.

Note. What you said is concrete.

-John

What if they knew they could be exposed, but never diagnosed?

Assume later on it's proven they contracted it and now infected a couple other women.

 

[Zorkorist]

Life in the fast lane.

Nothing chargeable or criminal there.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

You do know, you will die some day?

-John

 

[abj13]

here's where scientific illiteracy rears it's unfortunate head.
that article is simply not relevant to informing on the issue of whether individuals potentially exposed to ebola and therefore potentially infected should be quarantined. A genomics study is not going to provide that kind of info. The types of studies that need to be performed for you all to declare that non-symptomatic exposed individuals are not a threat and base that claim "in science" is to perform an intensive study on such individuals. Mapping viral mutations ain't it. If you were a scientist in this field you would know better.


again, wrong study. doesn't provide information applicable to the quarantine issue. maybe you've just joined the discussion without realizing what was being discussed because it isn't genomics and it isn't a paper demonstrating what we all know "This study demonstrates the emergence of a new EBOV strain in Guinea."

Hahahahhaha. This is hilarious. What did really you say, for which I responded?

Ebola is a down right shittly understood virus from a scientific perspective. the basic science that has been done on ebola in human populations is minimal and some of that whoch has been performed was atrociously bad... not because of incompetence o n the part of study authors but rather because the studies were being carried out in the middle of nowhere with poor equipment and supplies and resources.

the state of the science on ebola is so far behind where it needs to be that anyone proclaiming that "it's not science" etc etc is instantly revealing themselves to be either scientifically illiterate or a person giving bad advice based on political motivation. that phrase simply cannot be used with the poor state of the science that has been performed on ebola to date.

Next time you are going to make up what you said, at least go back and edit your post in a vain attempt to hide how misread and misinformed you are. You are the person who runs around claiming there's no well published data about Ebola because its a "shittly [sic] understood virus." When broached with two landmarks studies just published in the few months (who anybody who understands Ebola would know about), your response is to claim you didn't say what you said?

Absurd.

There's plenty more studies we can talk about. The claim that Ebola is a "shittly [sic] understood virus" highlights the ignorance you have on the subject.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hahahahhaha. This is hilarious. What did really you say, for which I responded?

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Next time you are going to make up what you said, at least go back and edit your post in a vain attempt to hide how misread and misinformed you are. You are the person who runs around claiming there's no well published data about Ebola because its a "shittly [sic] understood virus." When broached with two landmarks studies just published in the few months (who anybody who understands Ebola would know about), your response is to claim you didn't say what you said?

Absurd.

There's plenty more studies we can talk about. The claim that Ebola is a "shittly [sic] understood virus" highlights the ignorance you have on the subject.

Meh, I'm pretty much done with him. He has an agenda where he's right and everyone else must be wrong although he's got nothing which backs his contention. Oh, it was McOwen which predicted what was it, 180 million dead? Looks like it's another fizzle.

 

[Paratus]

Meh, I'm pretty much done with him. He has an agenda where he's right and everyone else must be wrong although he's got nothing which backs his contention. Oh, it was McOwen which predicted what was it, 180 million dead? Looks like it's another fizzle.

I think I'm more interested now in how to rein in the infection in Africa. I'm not sure the world has the will to mobilize enough manpower to treat the infected and monitor all the potentially infected.

This epidemic may require a vaccine to halt it.

Or am I out in left field here?

 

[Paratus]

The test they are using is pretty accurate FWIW and so I see no reason to quarantine someone when you can't detect ebola DNA after amplifying a DNA sample of her blood like a trillion times.

I actually agree with you. :thumbsup:

 

[lopri]

I haven't followed this but am I correct in my knowledge that there has been only one fatal case in the U.S., the one who fled Liberia and was misdiagnosed initially in Texas? All the rest of people at risk (e.g. the victim's family) and the subsequently diagnosed patients have survived the disease, or have not been infected?

 

[Zorkorist]

Is this like hunger?

We're going to rein in hunger in Africa?

-John

 

[Paratus]

I haven't followed this but am I correct in my knowledge that there has been only one fatal case in the U.S., the one who fled Liberia and was misdiagnosed initially in Texas? All the rest of people at risk (e.g. the victim's family) and the subsequently diagnosed patients have survived the disease, or have not been infected?

The 2 Nurses from Dallas, the three doctors and one cameraman who were flown in have all survived. I haven't heard about the the infected New York doctor but i think he's still alive.

It looks like aggressive medical intervention and possibly blood infusions from survivors and/or experimental drugs make this strain of ebola survivable.

No one other than the two improperly protected nurses have been infected by one of these folks.

 

[Paratus]

Is this like hunger?

We're going to rein in hunger in Africa?

-John

It doesn't have to be. We reined in smallpox in Africa and almost have polio too.

So what's your point?

 

[lopri]

Thank you, Paratus.

 

[Paratus]

Thank you, Paratus.

No problem. :thumbsup:

 

[Bitek]

The 2 Nurses from Dallas, the three doctors and one cameraman who were flown in have all survived. I haven't heard about the the infected New York doctor but i think he's still alive.

Its looks like aggressive medical intervention and possibly blood infusions from survivors and/or experimental drugs make this strain of ebola survivable.

No one other than the two improperly protected nurses have been infected by one of these folks.

Is important to note that death from Ebola is caused by low blood pressure and dehydration due to the loss of body fluids. The aggressive care patients in the US get (IVs, etc) are way ahead of what many African patients are getting. Some of the facilities don't even have running water.

It's also important to know that the reason the outbreak got so bad in the first place as villagers had a funerary practice of touching and hugging the dead, a time of maximal infectiousness.

 

[fskimospy]

I'd assumed that as prolific as you are you have the ability to think for yourself and are not in need of being spoon fed what you are supposed to think on this issue. I think for myself on this topic because I'm capable of understanding the science at play here, I'd suggest you do so because what you're going to be getting from the massmedia is utter garbage... so please don't go looking there. As to why you shouldn't be listening to the public bureaucratic statements from CDC and NIAID, that's already been covered.

You have laid out specific conditions for what it takes to be considered someone who can speak about Ebola.

Why is it so hard to name a single person who meets your criteria?

 

[cubby1223]

So what are your thoughts about someone with AIDS/HIV not disclosing that to their sexual partners?

What are your thoughts about someone being quarantined by the government on suspicion of a false negative AIDS test?

 

[alkemyst]

What are your thoughts about someone being quarantined by the government on suspicion of a false negative AIDS test?

False positives are not unusual to error on the side of safety.

While it would suck, it's something that needs to happen for the good of all the people (although with AIDS/HIV there wouldn't be a quarantine, but I feel if someone knows they may have done some risky/been exposed it's on them to be tested and/or fully disclose they may be at risk).

The problem is our people want to think of themselves as islands and that no one else matters, but themselves and what they do is not ok for others to do.

We live in a society of hypocrites and the selfish.

 

[lnn285]

What's stupid about being overly cautious with a disease that is killing thousands of people that there may not be enough cure of to go around if thousands of Americans catch it. Whats is the big deal? You spend months in Africa curing people, but your not worried about bringing it back to all these healthy Americans. If they can't cure the people in Sierra Leone, then obviously there are no experts.

 

[lnn285]

If I were a doctor or nurse, seeing first hand what this virus could do to people, I would put myself in quarantine. Just read a book or something. And no one has to go to Sierra Leone if they don't want to. I'm sure there are some doctors who understand not moving the crap around. Why would you want to risk bringing this thing wear you live anyway.

 

[zinfamous]

here's where scientific illiteracy rears it's unfortunate head.
that article is simply not relevant to informing on the issue of whether individuals potentially exposed to ebola and therefore potentially infected should be quarantined. A genomics study is not going to provide that kind of info. The types of studies that need to be performed for you all to declare that non-symptomatic exposed individuals are not a threat and base that claim "in science" is to perform an intensive study on such individuals. Mapping viral mutations ain't it. If you were a scientist in this field you would know better.


again, wrong study. doesn't provide information applicable to the quarantine issue. maybe you've just joined the discussion without realizing what was being discussed because it isn't genomics and it isn't a paper demonstrating what we all know "This study demonstrates the emergence of a new EBOV strain in Guinea."

You are a hack.