quarantine nurse complains

[Fern]

Yea, I'm sure you listened to a real health care professional to form that opinion.

Yeah, research scientists specializing in infectious diseases/virology.

The only people politicizing this has been the rightwing. Hey, maybe if the rightwing hadn't been holding up the Surgeon General for years they could be in charge, but that would require thinking by a party can't do that, since intelligence will alienate the base.

The head of CDC etc have acted more political/PR than anything else.

Our Ebola Czar is a politician with no medical training etc.

We already have a person in charge of Ebola, Dr Nicole Lurie at HHS. Every indication is that the new Czar is there for political purposes/craft the right sound bites.

You must be a fan of Chuck C Johnson.

Never heard of him.

Fern

 

[CitizenKain]

Yeah, research scientists specializing in infectious diseases/virology.



The head of CDC etc have acted more political/PR than anything else.

Our Ebola Czar is a politician with no medical training etc.

We already have a person in charge of Ebola, Dr Nicole Lurie at HHS. Every indication is that the new Czar is there for political purposes/craft the right sound bites.

Never heard of him.

Fern

So they specialize in infectious diseases and virology but are confused about Ebola?

Are you surprised that political positions actually doing political things? Do you expect the head of the CDC to be in the lab with the doctors? The "Ebola Czar" is a position designed to handle work between agencies to let them do their job while you have someone doing the political work.

I'm sure that if Nicole Lurie was appointed as the "Ebola Czar" that you would be asking why Obama appointed some doctor to that position, when he should have appointed a manager.

The big point here is what the fuck do you want them to do? Measured responses that focus on the long term? Or knee jerk reactions that sound good as a sound bite but end up fucking things over in the long run?

 

[fskimospy]

Demonstrate, scientifically, the rate of reduction of HC volunteers if quarantine is imposed.

Demonstrate, scientifically the number of fewer Ebola transmissions to the public of a quarantine is imposed.

I at least have expert opinion on my side. Since the number of transmissions to the public so far has been zero, good luck.

It is also ironic that you are demanding scientific evidence when just a post earlier you were demanding that I disprove an unsourced report you claimed you heard. Your commitment to scientific rigor is somewhat wanting when the science tells you things you want to believe.

(You may wish to know that some HC orgs, such as Samaritan's Purse, have been voluntarily imposing a 21 day quarantine on their own volunteers.)

Otherwise, your post is merely a verbose repetition of the same two points:

1. It's hard to get
2. It may reduce volunteers.

These points were already noted but you added nothing of scientific value. You've just killed a bunch of electrons repeating the same things over and over.

This seems to boil down to the convenience of HC volunteers (in hopes of not reducing their numbers, but you can't or won't quantify this) versus the threat of infecting others (which you minimize) and blowing a ton of money.

Hypothetically, how many infections/deaths are you willing to consider a fair trade for the convenience of HC volunteers?

How much additional money are you willing to spend to consider the 'convenience' a fair price?

Fern

If you're still talking about convenience for health care volunteers it's abundantly clear you haven't read anything that I've written or anything that any health care agency has written about why quarantines are a bad idea.

I get it. You don't care what the scientists who actually know what they are talking about say. You have a feeling and you won't let things get in the way of it. If you want to hide in your doom bunker please go do it. Just don't support people getting in the way of actually protecting America from Ebola.

 

[werepossum]

Demonstrate, scientifically the number of fewer Ebola transmissions to the public of a quarantine is imposed.

I at least have expert opinion on my side. Since the number of transmissions to the public so far has been zero, good luck.

It is also ironic that you are demanding scientific evidence when just a post earlier you were demanding that I disprove an unsourced report you claimed you heard. Your commitment to scientific rigor is somewhat wanting when the science tells you things you want to believe.



If you're still talking about convenience for health care volunteers it's abundantly clear you haven't read anything that I've written or anything that any health care agency has written about why quarantines are a bad idea.

I get it. You don't care what the scientists who actually know what they are talking about say. You have a feeling and you won't let things get in the way of it. If you want to hide in your doom bunker please go do it. Just don't support people getting in the way of actually protecting America from Ebola.

lol

Just so we don't forget, the people "actually protecting America from Ebola" are also now the ones going to Africa and bringing it back here.

I hope to hell they don't decide to start protecting us from nuclear weapons . . .

Reminds me of Obama's red line in the Syrian sand.
Ebola will never come to America!
Well, Ebola has come to America, but we know how to keep it from spreading.
Well, Ebola has come to America and is spreading, but we know how to keep it from spreading outside of health care providers.

Yeah, these people understand how to protect us against Ebola all right.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ebola will never come to America!
Well, Ebola has come to America, but we know how to keep it from spreading.
Well, Ebola has come to America and is spreading, but we know how to keep it from spreading outside of health care providers.

Well... that last line is still holding, right?

And if it's not out "in the wild", it could be argued that an Ebola outbreak has not come to America.

 

[werepossum]

Well... that last line is still holding, right?

And if it's not out "in the wild", it could be argued that an Ebola outbreak has not come to America.

So far. Let's hope it holds longer than the last two.

 

[Victorian Gray]

lol

Just so we don't forget, the people "actually protecting America from Ebola" are also now the ones going to Africa and bringing it back here.

I hope to hell they don't decide to start protecting us from nuclear weapons . . .

Reminds me of Obama's red line in the Syrian sand.
Ebola will never come to America!
Well, Ebola has come to America, but we know how to keep it from spreading.
Well, Ebola has come to America and is spreading, but we know how to keep it from spreading outside of health care providers.

Yeah, these people understand how to protect us against Ebola all right.

Remind us again how far the disease has spread through the general public since Duncan turned up in the US.

 

[werepossum]

Remind us again how far the disease has spread through the general public since Duncan turned up in the US.

Not at all - which is why I didn't claim that.

However, smart people know to shut the barn doors before the horse escape. Right now we have health care providers supposedly in isolation who are in fact simply on holiday. All it takes is one of them deciding that fever isn't bad enough to warrant missing their flight, cancelling their concert, and someone's going to get infected. Ebola is difficult to transmit casually in the early stages; it's not impossible.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Not at all - which is why I didn't claim that.

However, smart people know to shut the barn doors before the horse escape. Right now we have health care providers supposedly in isolation who are in fact simply on holiday. All it takes is one of them deciding that fever isn't bad enough to warrant missing their flight, cancelling their concert, and someone's going to get infected. Ebola is difficult to transmit casually in the early stages; it's not impossible.

And yet, and yet, and yet...

All the people who, you know, actually understand the disease and are on the front lines fighting it are saying what about 'barn doors'?

I mean, I guess the US could inflate a big plastic bubble around itself and not let anyone leave or enter.

I find it interesting that that you aren't willing to grant that these people who are highly trained and risking their lives fighting the disease in Africa are going to come back to The US and forget absolutely everything they know about the disease (and medicine in general) and behave like you or me with the flu.

Actually, I don't find it interesting, I find it damn strange.

 

[fskimospy]

lol

Just so we don't forget, the people "actually protecting America from Ebola" are also now the ones going to Africa and bringing it back here.

I hope to hell they don't decide to start protecting us from nuclear weapons . . .

Reminds me of Obama's red line in the Syrian sand.
Ebola will never come to America!
Well, Ebola has come to America, but we know how to keep it from spreading.
Well, Ebola has come to America and is spreading, but we know how to keep it from spreading outside of health care providers.

Yeah, these people understand how to protect us against Ebola all right.

U hmmm, yes. Do you really not understand that?

The people going to Africa to eliminate the infection are protecting America from Ebola. This isn't rocket science, but I'm all for your new and exciting plan that goes against all qualified expert knowledge that magically makes it better.

By the way, if Ebola spreads significantly in America from a source that a quarantine would have prevented I'm willing to reconsider my position. Considering there have been zero cases so far that your plan would have helped, under what circumstances are you willing to admit you might be wrong?

 

[fskimospy]

And yet, and yet, and yet...

All the people who, you know, actually understand the disease and are on the front lines fighting it are saying what about 'barn doors'?

I mean, I guess the US could inflate a big plastic bubble around itself and not let anyone leave or enter.

I find it interesting that that you aren't willing to grant that these people who are highly trained and risking their lives fighting the disease in Africa are going to come back to The US and forget absolutely everything they know about the disease (and medicine in general) and behave like you or me with the flu.

Actually, I don't find it interesting, I find it damn strange.

I am personally amazed that people on a tech forum are absolutely convinced that all these virologists, doctors, experts from across the globe are all idiots and that werepossum here should really straighten them out.

It's the perfect example of the Dunning-Kreuger effect. They are so incompetent that they can't even see it. It's bizarre.

 

[werepossum]

And yet, and yet, and yet...

All the people who, you know, actually understand the disease and are on the front lines fighting it are saying what about 'barn doors'?

I mean, I guess the US could inflate a big plastic bubble around itself and not let anyone leave or enter.

I find it interesting that that you aren't willing to grant that these people who are highly trained and risking their lives fighting the disease in Africa are going to come back to The US and forget absolutely everything they know about the disease (and medicine in general) and behave like you or me with the flu.

Actually, I don't find it interesting, I find it damn strange.

Isn't a question of being willing to grant anything; it's simply observation about the effort of tracking down everyone with whom they have been in contact after infection but before diagnosis. Remember, these are the same people who developed the protocols under which two nurses became infected treating one patient.

Once again for you all-or-nothing types, I have zero fear of an Ebola epidemic in America; the disease simply isn't contagious enough to overcome our medical system. I do think though that if we consider this lackadaisical attitude toward it, we're going to see someone die who should never have been exposed. That's not a personal fear, as it's more likely that I'll be struck down by a passing meteorite than by Ebola. But I can certainly empathize with the poor sap whose only crime will be happening to come into contact with a health care provider who is "self-isolating" out on the town.

U hmmm, yes. Do you really not understand that?

The people going to Africa to eliminate the infection are protecting America from Ebola. This isn't rocket science, but I'm all for your new and exciting plan that goes against all qualified expert knowledge that magically makes it better.

By the way, if Ebola spreads significantly in America from a source that a quarantine would have prevented I'm willing to reconsider my position. Considering there have been zero cases so far that your plan would have helped, under what circumstances are you willing to admit you might be wrong?

And accept your position, that the way to prevent an Ebola epidemic is not to do what Nigeria and Senegal did, but to cure everyone in Africa of a disease that is widespread and endemic in their environment? lol Not bloody likely. I do admire your willingness to reconsider your position though. Just how "significantly" must Ebola spread to trigger that oh so magnanimous reconsideration, that we all totally believe will happen? How many dead Americans buy that magnificent indulgence?

BTW, my plan would have had Duncan blocked from entering the US less than twenty-one days after traveling to Liberia. Non-essential travel is non-essential travel, and yes, I count nurses as people. Significant people. Right now you're two unnecessary infections behind me.

 

[fskimospy]

There seems to be so much bad information coming out of you now that I really think you need to step back and do some reading. Every single Ebola outbreak that has ever occurred up to this point has been completely eliminated in the human population.

By the way, you've latched on to this idea that Nigeria and Senegal accomplished this through a travel ban and quarantine. Can you point to a single qualified individual that agrees with you on this? Their outbreak had already spread beyond any quarantine. They accomplished the goal through exactly what the experts here suggest and you reject.

Wait, what would you have done with Duncan when he became symptomatic? Chartered a flight back to Africa with him on it?

I also notice you have given no circumstances where you will reconsider your opinion. Then again you've already rejected the expertise of the worldwide medical community because you think you know better. How can I expect to penetrate that wall of ignorance and pride?

 

[alkemyst]

Not at all - which is why I didn't claim that.

However, smart people know to shut the barn doors before the horse escape. Right now we have health care providers supposedly in isolation who are in fact simply on holiday. All it takes is one of them deciding that fever isn't bad enough to warrant missing their flight, cancelling their concert, and someone's going to get infected. Ebola is difficult to transmit casually in the early stages; it's not impossible.

Keep in mind many scientists are saying the strain of Ebola is a GMO. It's not the same that would be found in the wild, which is why no one really knows how dangerous it could be.

 

[alkemyst]

There seems to be so much bad information coming out of you now that I really think you need to step back and do some reading. Every single Ebola outbreak that has ever occurred up to this point has been completely eliminated in the human population.

By the way, you've latched on to this idea that Nigeria and Senegal accomplished this through a travel ban and quarantine. Can you point to a single qualified individual that agrees with you on this? Their outbreak had already spread beyond any quarantine. They accomplished the goal through exactly what the experts here suggest and you reject.

Wait, what would you have done with Duncan when he became symptomatic? Chartered a flight back to Africa with him on it?

I also notice you have given no circumstances where you will reconsider your opinion. Then again you've already rejected the expertise of the worldwide medical community because you think you know better. How can I expect to penetrate that wall of ignorance and pride?

You probably want to read this and spend some time understanding it.

They didn't just let the thing run it's course. They were far more active than the US has been so far.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-did-nigeria-quash-its-ebola-outbreak-so-quickly/

 

[werepossum]

There seems to be so much bad information coming out of you now that I really think you need to step back and do some reading. Every single Ebola outbreak that has ever occurred up to this point has been completely eliminated in the human population.

By the way, you've latched on to this idea that Nigeria and Senegal accomplished this through a travel ban and quarantine. Can you point to a single qualified individual that agrees with you on this? Their outbreak had already spread beyond any quarantine. They accomplished the goal through exactly what the experts here suggest and you reject.

Wait, what would you have done with Duncan when he became symptomatic? Chartered a flight back to Africa with him on it?

I also notice you have given no circumstances where you will reconsider your opinion. Then again you've already rejected the expertise of the worldwide medical community because you think you know better. How can I expect to penetrate that wall of ignorance and pride?

Ah, so now you're arguing that Nigeria and Senegal stopped their outbreak in spite of their travel ban? How . . . quaint. Presumably one could find medical authorities in Nigeria and Senegal who agree with me.

However, I can now see your opposition to the travel ban; you cannot understand it. Eric Duncan was a Liberian. Under a ban on nonessential travel, Eric Duncan does not come to America, because he has been in Liberia, until he has been out of Liberia (or Guinea, or Sierra Leone) for at least twenty-one days. He cannot book a ticket here on his Liberian passport. Thus when he became symptomatic, he would either be in Europe, or in Liberia. Sadly, he probably would have had a better chance of survival in Liberia, where they can at least recognize Ebola.

Had he beaten the system and showed up, he would have been quarantined - to watch for signs of Ebola infection. Once again, his chance of survival soar.

Note that this tracking system is what we use to track people of greater interest to Homeland Security who are from nations on the terrorism sponsors list.

 

[werepossum]

A list of other nations which aren't as smart as Eskimospy and his band of merry experts. https://www.internationalsos.com/ebola/index.cfm?content_id=435&

Travel Briefing

Entry restrictions

Africa

Cameroon on 17 September reopened its borders to travellers from Senegal. An 18 August ban remains in place on travel from Nigeria, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Cape Verde on 9 October announced that it would now deny entry to non-resident foreigners coming from countries with ‘intense Ebola transmission' – Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia - or who have been to those countries in the previous 30 days.
Chad on 21 August closed its land border with Nigeria at Lake Chad. The country previously reportedly banned the entry of any travellers originating or transiting through Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria or Sierra Leone, with airlines serving the country reportedly rerouting flights.
Côte d'Ivoire in early October reopened its borders with Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, having closed the borders of 23 August.
Equatorial Guinea is denying entry to travellers whose journeys originated in countries affected by Ebola.
Gabon stated on 22 August that it is restricting the issuance of entry visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria on a case-by-case basis.
Gambia on 1 September suspended entry of persons who have visited Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone or Nigeria in the 21 days prior to travel. Those travelling indirectly from any of the aforementioned countries to Gambia via another country also come under this measure.
Kenya on 10 October announced that it had closed the Suam border crossing (Trans-Nzoia county) with Uganda due to reports of an Ebola-related death in Bukwo district (Uganda). Earlier, the Kenyan authorities on 19 August suspended entry of passengers travelling from and through Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, excluding health professionals supporting efforts to contain the outbreak and Kenyan citizens.
Mauritania on 25 October closed its border with neighbouring Mali after an Ebola-related death in the border town of Kayes (Mali).
Mauritius on 8 October banned entry to all travellers who have visited Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia, Senegal and Congo (DRC) in the last two months, rather than just citizens of those countries, as was the case previously. The authorities have announced that entry restrictions for travellers from Senegal and Nigeria will be lifted on 10 October and 17 October respectively, if no further cases of Ebola infection are reported.
Namibia's foreign ministry on 11 September announced that foreigners travelling from countries affected by Ebola would be prohibited from entering the country.
Rwanda, according to the US Department of State on 22 August, has banned entry to travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the 22 days prior to travel.
Senegal on 21 August closed its land border with Guinea, while the country's sea and air borders will also be closed to vessels and aircraft from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Seychelles on 8 October suspended entry to travellers who have visited Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Nigeria or Congo (DRC) 28 days prior to their journey, with the exception of Seychellois citizens.
Southern African Development Community (SADC) member states – Angola, Botswana, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe – have stated that travellers coming from Ebola-affected countries (according to the World Health Organisation, WHO) would be monitored for 21 days and that travel to member countries for any gatherings would be discouraged. The SADC provided no details as to how member countries will carry out the associated screening and follow-up and it is likely that countries will have individual processes. There are also reports that some countries require health documentation for entry. Travellers are advised to contact the embassy or health ministry of their destination country to clarify their individual circumstances and prepare their trips accordingly.
South Africa on 21 August restricted entry for all non-citizens travelling from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government subsequently clarified that this was not a blanket ban and could be waived for 'absolutely essential travel'.
South Sudan has placed a ban on travellers coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia or Congo (DRC), or those who have travelled to those countries in the preceding 21 days. According to the health ministry, entry of travellers from Nigeria depends on their travel history in that country and whether they have visited Ebola-affected areas.

Americas

Antigua and Barbuda on 17 October imposed an entry ban on nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The ban will also apply on anyone who travels to the country within 21 days of visiting any of the aforementioned nations.
Belize announced on 18 October that it will stop issuing visas for nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Nigeria. Sierra Leone nationals, who do not need visas to enter Belize, will also be banned. In addition, travellers who have visited any of the aforementioned countries in the past 30 days will be prohibited from entering the country.
Colombia imposed an entry ban from 14 October on any traveller who has visited Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, Senegal or Sierra Leone in the past four weeks. The restriction would also reportedly apply to Colombian nationals.
The Dominican Republic has banned entry to travellers who have been in the following countries in the past 30 days: Sierra Leone, Senegal, Liberia, Guinea, and Nigeria, as well as any countries that the World Health Organization has deemed to be affected by the Ebola virus.
Guyana announced on 16 October that visas will not be issued to nationals from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria. Furthermore, health officials will screen travellers who have visited these countries in the six weeks prior to their arrival in Guyana.
Haiti has banned (PDF) entry to travellers who have been to Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the past 28 days. Travellers who have been to these countries more than 28 days before travel to Haiti must present a government-certified health certificate and the results of a blood test for the Ebola virus upon arrival. It is uncertain at this time how these measures will be carried out or enforced. International SOS is monitoring the situation.
Jamaica imposed an entry ban from 16 October for travellers arriving from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as those who have visited these countries within the four weeks prior to their arrival. In addition, any Jamaican national who travels to the aforementioned countries will be quarantined for 28 days on return.
Panama on 22 October banned the entry of travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone in the past 21 days. The ban will remain in place until the three countries are declared Ebola-free.
St Kitts and Nevis have restricted the entry of nationals from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. Similar measures will also be applied to travellers who have visited these countries in the 21 days prior to arrival.
St Lucia has banned visitors from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government has also announced that, in addition to a visa, visitors from Nigeria will be required to present a recent medical certificate clearing them of the virus. No further details are available at this stage, though we are investigating further.
St Vincent and the Grenadines has banned visitors from Guinea, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.
Suriname has banned entry to foreign travellers who have been to Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone in the past 21 days, unless they can present an ‘internationally recognised health certificate’ clearing them of the virus. No further details are available at this time.
Trinidad and Tobago announced on 16 October that it would deny entry to nationals of Congo (DRC), Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone. In addition, travellers who have visited any of the aforementioned countries in the past six weeks will be quarantined for 21 days upon arrival.
The United States announced that beginning 22 October, any passengers beginning their travels in Liberia, Sierra Leone or Guinea will only be able to enter the country through the following airports: JFK International Airport (JFK, New York state), Newark International Airport (EWR, New Jersey), Dulles International Airport (IAD, Washington, DC), Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport (ATL, Georgia) or Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD, Illinois).

Others

North Korea has banned foreign tourists since 24 October over fears of ebola; the ban applies to all entry points and border crossings.
Australia has suspended the issuance of visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. Travellers from these countries who hold permanent visas can enter Australia if they have been quarantined for 21 days prior to arrival, while those who have received non-permanent visas and who have not departed for Australia will have their visas cancelled.

Flights and other transport

Countries that have implemented Ebola-related travel restrictions:

Cameroon has banned flights to and from Nigeria. Chad has suspended all flights from Nigeria.
Côte d'Ivoire has now lifted the ban on passenger flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Gabon has banned the entry of flights and ships from countries affected by Ebola.
Gambia has banned the entry of flights from Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.
Nigeria has suspended flights to the country operated by Gambian national carrier Gambia Bird.
Senegal has banned flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

Details of airlines that have restricted flights to Ebola-affected countries:

Air France suspended flights to Sierra Leone from 28 August.
The Togo-based carrier Asky Airlines has suspended flights to and from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Arik Air (Nigeria), Gambia Bird and Kenya Airways have suspended services to Liberia and Sierra Leone.
British Airways has extended their suspension of flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone until 31 December.
Emirates Airlines has suspended flights to Guinea.
Korean Air suspended flights to and from Kenya from 20 August.
Senegal Airlines has suspended flights to and from Conakry (Guinea) until further notice.

Other airlines have modified their routes but are still operating regular scheduled services. These include:

Royal Air Maroc
Brussels Airlines.

Medical screening

Entry and exit health screening is now in place in numerous countries throughout West Africa and is being introduced in Europe and North America countries as well; related measures can include the partial closure of land borders, ports and river crossings in an effort to restrict cross-border travel. Members should allow additional time to pass through medical screening and not travel if they are sick. Staff should continue to monitor local media and this website for developments.

Travel Advice Summary

Defer non-essential travel to Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Travellers flying from countries affected by Ebola should enquire with the relevant embassies or health ministries about any requirements conditioning entry at their destination, and prepare accordingly.
Reconfirm bookings on all regional routes as increased demand is likely. We do not hold information on specific flights.
If your flight is disrupted because of suspected Ebola cases, contact the Assistance Centre for additional advice and support with onward travel.
Allow additional time during arrival and departure to pass through enhanced medical screening.
Do not travel if you are sick. Persons with fever or other Ebola-like symptoms may be taken to designated centres or have entry/exit denied.

Interestingly, the USA has announced that people from all three afflicted nations must enter through one of several hospitals with screening programs in place. Obviously our government has not been informed that screening, like travel bans, is counterproductive and far too expensive. At least, when compared to "go cure everyone in Africa."

 

[Victorian Gray]

I think that Obama has found his new Surgeon General folks.

 

[werepossum]

For a real laugh, check out the CDC's web site on Ebola. http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices

Warning Level 3, Avoid Nonessential Travel

Updated Ebola in Liberia Updated October 22, 2014 CDC urges all US residents to avoid nonessential travel to Liberia, Guinea, and Sierra Leone because of unprecedented outbreaks of Ebola in those countries. CDC recommends that travelers to these countries protect themselves by avoiding contact with the blood and body fluids of people who are sick with Ebola.

Obviously Eskimospy and his experts need to visit the CDC and penetrate their "wall of ignorance and pride". Don't they know that's the very worst thing we can do? Boy, the CDC's gonna have some 'splainin' to do!

Keep in mind many scientists are saying the strain of Ebola is a GMO. It's not the same that would be found in the wild, which is why no one really knows how dangerous it could be.

I had not read that. Link?

If someone is claiming that this is a weaponized strain, that seems highly unlikely given that Nigeria and Senegal defeated it rather quickly.

 

[Victorian Gray]

And the insanity continures

WASHINGTON -- An Oklahoma teacher has agreed to place herself under a 21-day quarantine after she returns from a trip to Africa, even though she is going to a country that has not had any cases of Ebola and is located thousands of miles away from the hot zone in the western portion of the continent.

The teacher at Blackwell Elementary School, whose name has not been released, will be going to Rwanda in early November for a mission trip with her church. Rwanda is Ebola-free and located in central and eastern Africa. Oklahoma is much closer to Texas -- where several cases of Ebola have been diagnosed -- than Rwanda is to the countries in West Africa that have had Ebola outbreaks.

Nevertheless, as Kim Passoth at KOCO Oklahoma City reported, more than 400 people have signed an online petition asking Blackwell Elementary to keep the teacher away for three weeks upon her return. Three weeks is the time period it takes for Ebola symptoms to appear. Without symptoms, a person is not contagious.Reflecting the paranoia around Ebola, Reba Newton, the mother of a child at Blackwell Elementary, told KOCO, “If the school should decide to let her come back before the 21-day quarantine period, I will remove my daughter from Blackwell schools."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/28/ebola-rwanda-oklahoma-teacher_n_6062726.html

 

[werepossum]

And the insanity continures

WASHINGTON -- An Oklahoma teacher has agreed to place herself under a 21-day quarantine after she returns from a trip to Africa, even though she is going to a country that has not had any cases of Ebola and is located thousands of miles away from the hot zone in the western portion of the continent.

The teacher at Blackwell Elementary School, whose name has not been released, will be going to Rwanda in early November for a mission trip with her church. Rwanda is Ebola-free and located in central and eastern Africa. Oklahoma is much closer to Texas -- where several cases of Ebola have been diagnosed -- than Rwanda is to the countries in West Africa that have had Ebola outbreaks.

Nevertheless, as Kim Passoth at KOCO Oklahoma City reported, more than 400 people have signed an online petition asking Blackwell Elementary to keep the teacher away for three weeks upon her return. Three weeks is the time period it takes for Ebola symptoms to appear. Without symptoms, a person is not contagious.Reflecting the paranoia around Ebola, Reba Newton, the mother of a child at Blackwell Elementary, told KOCO, “If the school should decide to let her come back before the 21-day quarantine period, I will remove my daughter from Blackwell schools."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/28/ebola-rwanda-oklahoma-teacher_n_6062726.html

There we agree, that is asinine. Hopefully she gets paid.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Something else to keep in mind, the US is not Liberia.

U.S. cases prove Ebola is 'not a death sentence'

"When Amber Vinson walked out of Emory University Hospital in Atlanta on Tuesday, she became the sixth person in the country to be successfully treated for a disease that kills 70% of its victims in Africa, but has so far killed only one in the United States.

Long thought to be a death sentence, Ebola has proved vulnerable to a mix of standard and invasive medical techniques, readily available in the U.S. but often beyond the reach of the impoverished nations at the heart of the outbreak.

Breathing tubes, large-bore intravenous lines, blood dialysis, electrolyte monitoring and around-the-clock attention are largely responsible for the survival of patients under advanced Western care, experts say."

and

"The contrast between medical resources is just as sharp. In 2012, the United States spent $8,895 per capita on health, according to the World Bank. Civil-war-ravaged Liberia spent $65.

"The quality of care is just crucial," said Michael Katze, a professor of microbiology at the University of Washington in Seattle. "The quality of care in West Africa is terrible.… Watching it all unfold is just really tragic."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-recovery-20141029-story.html#page=1

 

[werepossum]

Something else to keep in mind, the US is not Liberia.

U.S. cases prove Ebola is 'not a death sentence'

"When Amber Vinson walked out of Emory University Hospital in Atlanta on Tuesday, she became the sixth person in the country to be successfully treated for a disease that kills 70% of its victims in Africa, but has so far killed only one in the United States.

Long thought to be a death sentence, Ebola has proved vulnerable to a mix of standard and invasive medical techniques, readily available in the U.S. but often beyond the reach of the impoverished nations at the heart of the outbreak.

Breathing tubes, large-bore intravenous lines, blood dialysis, electrolyte monitoring and around-the-clock attention are largely responsible for the survival of patients under advanced Western care, experts say."

and

"The contrast between medical resources is just as sharp. In 2012, the United States spent $8,895 per capita on health, according to the World Bank. Civil-war-ravaged Liberia spent $65.

"The quality of care is just crucial," said Michael Katze, a professor of microbiology at the University of Washington in Seattle. "The quality of care in West Africa is terrible.… Watching it all unfold is just really tragic."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-recovery-20141029-story.html#page=1

If I ever find myself forgetting that the US is not Liberia, I shall certainly appreciate your reminder.

 

[fskimospy]

You probably want to read this and spend some time understanding it.

They didn't just let the thing run it's course. They were far more active than the US has been so far.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-did-nigeria-quash-its-ebola-outbreak-so-quickly/

I've already read it. They were actually following protocols very similar to what the US and the medical community suggest. Contact tracing.

Did you understand it?

 

[fskimospy]

Ah, so now you're arguing that Nigeria and Senegal stopped their outbreak in spite of their travel ban? How . . . quaint. Presumably one could find medical authorities in Nigeria and Senegal who agree with me.

However, I can now see your opposition to the travel ban; you cannot understand it. Eric Duncan was a Liberian. Under a ban on nonessential travel, Eric Duncan does not come to America, because he has been in Liberia, until he has been out of Liberia (or Guinea, or Sierra Leone) for at least twenty-one days. He cannot book a ticket here on his Liberian passport. Thus when he became symptomatic, he would either be in Europe, or in Liberia. Sadly, he probably would have had a better chance of survival in Liberia, where they can at least recognize Ebola.

Had he beaten the system and showed up, he would have been quarantined - to watch for signs of Ebola infection. Once again, his chance of survival soar.

Note that this tracking system is what we use to track people of greater interest to Homeland Security who are from nations on the terrorism sponsors list.

I'm going to take this to mean that you have been unable to find a single competent authority that backs up your claim from before. It's always funny to watch you start the flailing and the hand waving when you knkw you've been busted.

As so many medical experts have said, your recommended course of action is foolish and unscientific. I'm sure it makes you feel good, but that's all it does. Your dismissal of people who actually know what they are talking about shows some pretty breathtaking arrogance though.

Why don't you just own your position? Admit it has no basis in science but say you want to do it anyway. I know you looked for backup and couldn't find any. Even a person as arrogant and fundamentally dishonest as you are shouldn't keep digging here.