Quality/Performance Issues in Assassin's Creed: Unity [WCCF]

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More screens, moving into packed districts dips the FPS into the 40s (not really shown):









Graphics settings (all are ultra):



Yes, this does need optimization but the crowds in a living city is pretty impressive, and the NPCs have a pile of stuff to do - it ain't repetitive. Its more Ubisoft bit off more than it could chew on a clunky old engine.

EDIT: Click once on the image, once on the postimg site again for full 1200p shots. They are originally .png.

Thats... thats ultra? The textures look so generic... so bland... Peoples clothes are clipping through each other... This looks worse than Witcher 2 and that came out ages ago. Hell, Far Cry 4 was released today and it looks much prettier than this. What engine is this based on? Its long in the tooth for sure.
 

RussianSensation

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I didn't see you say anything about performance, just issues with games. And then you get a wall-of-text that has nothing to do with what you said. Crazy.

Adam stated that ATI cards had tons of issues running newly released modern games. The performance data and those old reviews have everything to do with it:

1. A lot of sites like Xbitlabs were extremely critical of bugs, low IQ and driver issues. They would point it out like when a particular Cat driver downgraded AF/texture filtering in HL2. Those sites would often comment on driver issues for both brands. Go read some old reviews outside of AT. How else did we find out of horrible AA IQ in NV and sub-par truki ear texture filtering? It's all there with picture comparisons and proof.

2. If ATI had so many issues, how is it those sites recommended those cards? You would instead get a review which states in the conclusion that the performance is great but the gaming experience is poor so we have to recommend NV. No such thing was said.

It's typical for NV owners to U gore hundreds of driver issues, non-existent SLI profile, performance issues. ATI users or AMD users openly discuss driver issues and bugs. There is no reason for me to defend some brand. I've owned both brands over the years and there are small problems on both sides from time to time depending on the game.

Finally, if ATI's cards were so hopeless as implied, ATI would have never had 40-50% market share pre-2007 days. If you look at market share and overall sales until the 2900 series, ATI was doing better than AMD, except if you go way back to Radeon 8500 days that really did have horrible drivers.

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I don't know why people dismiss that reddit post on Ubisoft. I believe it as I've read for a while now how game development is an overworked, underpaid industry, with high overtime and rushed decelopment and testing especially at the major AAA studios. If we look at AC Unity PC sales, they are atrocious. Even a 6-year-old JRPG, Valkariya Chronicles, sold more on Steam than Unity. When looking at console vs. PC sales for Unity, consoles literally took 90% or something close to that. This game bomb on the PC which is great to see since Ubisoft deserves that for rushing a broken game with bad graphics but asking us $60 to pay for it.

Some people criticize DAI for not being good enough graphically but that game is 10X better as a game than Unity. The reviews and gamer feedback is very positive. The % of people who think Unity is a good game when disregarding it's technical failures is small. Unity will never be considered for GOTY, but DAI can be in that list, and definitely a contender for GOTY in its specific genre.

FC4 shows how broken Unity still is to this day. The screenshots in this thread that show upclose textures and NPC's continue to highlight a broken/last gen pre-baked lighting model (FC4 has the far superior God Rays), low resolution textures, extremely low polygon NPCs, poor quality character hair, poor LOD in draw distance.

You cannot make claims that Unity is a next gen PC game with so many graphical flaws and when it doesn't superceded Metro LL or Crysis 3 in any graphical category (not textures, not LOD, not physics, not lighting/shadows, not high polygon models). Finally, even videos done by ComputerBase clearly show that PS4 looks 95% identical to the PC version of Unity. I already linked that but the Unity defenders didn't even comment since the video disproves all their commentary. PC's Unity is nothing more than a glorified console port with some GW's code thrown in in the last months of development. Performance is not commensurate with the average 2010 graphics.
 

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You are very very wrong ;)

I've seen AC:U at my friend.
And let me just say that no video and no screenshot that I've seen so far does any justice to this game. (except than one with the girls hair(!))

Good thing we have the Internet where you can download raw footage of 1GB+ and play it back in FullHD on your computer. You can argue all day long that the video compression has some impact (but this is true for all gaming footage and wasn't an excuse for Crysis 1 or Crysis 3 or Metro LL or Witcher 2), but you can't hide that Unity is a console port at its roots and in the video all those things I talked about above can be seen:

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-11/assassins-creed-unity-grafikvergleich-pc-und-ps4/

Even months ago I talked about how video and screenshots of Witcher 3 blew Unity away and the final version of Unity didn't change my mind. If you claim that Unity is a next gen game, what would you call Crysis 3 and Witcher 3 then? Next-next gen?

Why don't you create a separate thread on our forum and let PC gamers vote for the best looking games of 2014? I bet you Unity won't even be in the top 3.

Same thing on consoles if your browse console forums. Ryse and Infamous SS, Mario Kart 8 (artisticly) and KZ:SF all trounce Unity there.

Our forum is probably the only forum I've seen where there is so much defending for Unity, and almost all of those are NV users. Why is that?
 
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Carfax83

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Our forum is probably the only forum I've seen where there is so much defending for Unity, and almost all of those are NV users. Why is that?

You must not post at many other forums then. There's a massive thread on Neogaf, the largest gaming community on the net, devoted to extolling the graphical beauty of ACU..

As a certified graphics whore, I will say that ACU is to this date, the most impressive game I've ever played by far; technically speaking. The seamlessness is what impresses me the most. There are some very massive and detailed buildings in the game, and the way you can just enter and leave freely without any loading, hitching or stuttering is amazing. Just goes to show that the game's resource management is top notch, unlike Watch Dogs.

And then you add the global illumination, soft shadows, HBAO+, and soon to be terrain tessellation, this game is graphic whores' paradise.

Maybe the Witcher 3 will trounce it, but I doubt it. Novigrad is absolutely tiny compared to ACU's 18th century Paris, and on a smaller scale.. And yes, size, scale and density do matter.

If all you focus on is texture resolution, then you have a myopic understanding of game technology..
 
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What a load of nonsense. :rolleyes: Crysis 1 looks better than this technical disaster, a 7 year old game. We won't even get into powerhouses like Crysis 3 or BF4. Ubi's own FC4 puts this joke of a game to shame.
 

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Nonsense nothing. The game is amazingly beautiful and detailed. There isn't anything that can be said to change that fact. But I'm finding some people are having difficulty separating the beauty from the bugs. Grooveriding said it best. "Crysis 1 looks better than this "technical" disaster". So he is coming from the buggy side of the argument which blinds him to the fantastic artwork of the game. I can see that happening.
 

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The low-res textures, non-existent shadows and atrocious lighting are just things Ubi is going to rewrite in a massive patch fix. This thread has been one of the most cringe worthy in a while. A couple posters fighting the tide of scathing reviews and abysmal visuals by getting put to work by anyone recognizing the fail of this game in producing screenshots, long-winded posts and youtube videos that sink the ship of fail this game sailed in on even further. :p
 

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The low-res textures, non-existent shadows and atrocious lighting are just things Ubi is going to rewrite in a massive patch fix. This thread has been one of the most cringe worthy in a while. A couple posters fighting the tide of scathing reviews and abysmal visuals by getting put to work by anyone recognizing the fail of this game in producing screenshots, long-winded posts and youtube videos that sink the ship of fail this game sailed in on even further. :p


You don't like it but others do, it's as simple as that. Don't confuse artwork with technical prowess, the artwork is on another level in Acu!

Just too bad it runs like crap, my little apu will scream bloody murder if I try to run it!
 
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Grooveriding

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You don't like it but others do, it's as simple as that. Don't confuse artwork with technical prowess, the artwork is on another level in Acu!

Just too bad it runs like crap, my little apu will scream bloody murder if I try to run it!

Yeah and that's the rub. If it's art design that is one thing and will be subjective. You have a game like World of Warcraft; ancient low-tech engine, very unimpressive technically, but the artwork is top-notch and carries the game. Of course it performs incredibly well and can be maxed out on a $150 card as you'd expect.

Then you have AC:Unity, even if you like the artwork, technically is a disaster with all kinds of low end visuals, not as bad as something ancient like WoW - but - it runs like a complete pig and is terribly optimized on top of looking like a game running on the last generation of consoles in many cases, such as that 'maxed out' screenshot.
 

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When I want art work I visit a museum.Those screen shots are not art work.They are horrible and ugly.
 

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The low-res textures, non-existent shadows and atrocious lighting are just things Ubi is going to rewrite in a massive patch fix. This thread has been one of the most cringe worthy in a while.

I think your over the top attacks on this title is what is raising more eyebrows than the game bugs are.

A couple posters fighting the tide of scathing reviews and abysmal visuals by getting put to work by anyone recognizing the fail of this game in producing screenshots, long-winded posts and youtube videos that sink the ship of fail this game sailed in on even further. :p

So is that why you're complaining so loudly? You believe this title is being defended by Nvidia gameworks proponents dont you? I think RS also alluded, no, straight out said that nvidia fans were defending it.

That is what is cringe worthy.
 

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For the record, I never said Radeon cards had tons of issues. If they had tons of issues I would have never owned any of them.
 

Keysplayr

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Maybe these amazon users are also against Nvidia Gameworks
.http://www.amazon.com/Assassins-Cree...rds=AC%3AUnity

Hence the stellar ratings for the PC version of the game.

Yes you can surely appreciate the "beautiful but horrible" comments. Even they can see that the game is stunning but bug ridden.
And I have no idea if they are against gameworks. They might be for it with all the "beautiful" comments for all I know.
 

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I'm not sure why some of you are getting upset with the complainers... I'm enjoying the game, and if they don't enjoy it as well that's too bad for them. They're the ones missing out, no worries for me.
 

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Yes you can surely appreciate the "beautiful but horrible" comments. Even they can see that the game is stunning but bug ridden.
And I have no idea if they are against gameworks. They might be for it with all the "beautiful" comments for all I know.
The game sucks....

Even if you think it's ''beautiful''...and I don't think it is.....the whole package stinks.Hence the ratings.

But I guess it runs and looks flawless to you.You would give it a 5 star rating,right?Because that would be your own unbiased opinion?
 

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I'm not sure why some of you are getting upset with the complainers... I'm enjoying the game, and if they don't enjoy it as well that's too bad for them. They're the ones missing out, no worries for me.


I don't think anyone missing out on a triple A game with such low review scores
 

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If you claim that Unity is a next gen game, what would you call Crysis 3 and Witcher 3 then? Next-next gen?
So much is just attention to detail, though. TW1, with all its limitations, still looks very good, and in particular, has great scenery and lighting. TW2 even better. It's less technical wizardry (not that none was involved) than allowing someone to say, "that doesn't look right, try it this way."

The overall amount of detail I've seen in screenshots and vids of AC:U are truly impressive, but I also keep seeing hideous bugs a bit too much, in the process, like with items and people floating or hanging impossibly, the now-famous missing heads, and oddball physics I could see, but can't even describe. I can recall on one hand the encounters of such bugs in Crysis 1-3 and TW1-2, combined. The worst were generally minor clipping issues, perpetual corpse motion, occasional lighting anomalies, and the occasional object that you could see under (I really wish all game scenery would cover all sides, always, so even if they put it in at the wrong angle, you can't see "under" or "through" it).
 

Keysplayr

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The game sucks....

Even if you think it's ''beautiful''...and I don't think it is.....the whole package stinks.Hence the ratings.

But I guess it runs and looks flawless to you.You would give it a 5 star rating,right?Because that would be your own unbiased opinion?

Yes, it does look incredible doesn't it?
 

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The overall amount of detail I've seen in screenshots and vids of AC:U are truly impressive, but I also keep seeing hideous bugs a bit too much, in the process, like with items and people floating or hanging impossibly, the now-famous missing heads, and oddball physics I could see, but can't even describe.

Cerb, most of those screenshots and videos of the bugs are from pre-alpha version, which they in their ignorance try to pass off as the retail version..

The missing faces affected two specific video cards, and that problem has been fixed.
 
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Carfax83

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I'm not sure why some of you are getting upset with the complainers... I'm enjoying the game, and if they don't enjoy it as well that's too bad for them. They're the ones missing out, no worries for me.

I'm not upset with them. In fact, I find them to be quite pathetic because they don't even know what they're complaining about. They're like lemmings, just copying each other because most of them don't even own the game..

So it's an interesting exercise in bias and bandwagoning if anything..
 

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Most interesting part of that link is the related link below:

AC Unity devs suggest game industry is abandoning 60fps standard

"At Ubisoft for a long time we wanted to push 60fps," Guérin said. "I don't think it was a good idea because you don't gain that much from 60fps and it doesn't look like the real thing. It's a bit like The Hobbit movie, it looked really weird.


"And in other games it's the same - like the Rachet and Clank series [where it was dropped]. So I think collectively in the video game industry we're dropping that standard because it's hard to achieve, it's twice as hard as 30fps, and it's not really that great in terms of rendering quality of the picture and the image."


Unity’s creative director Alex Amancio echoed Guérin’s assertions, although he did note that reaching for 60fps has its place in certain kinds of game.
"30 was our goal, it feels more cinematic.” said Amancio. “60 is really good for a shooter, action adventure not so much. It actually feels better for people when it's at that 30fps. It also lets us push the limits of everything to the maximum.


With folks like this working on this game, it's no wonder it's turned out to be a technical and graphical disaster.
 

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Most interesting part of that link is the related link below:

AC Unity devs suggest game industry is abandoning 60fps standard




With folks like this working on this game, it's no wonder it's turned out to be a technical and graphical disaster.

Lets be real it's pure laziness that makes them want to abandon 60 FPS.

Ubisoft releases this game every year so they're working their devs overtime like slaves to finish their games. Abandoning 60 FPS isn't some move they did to better games/gamers, it's a move they made so they can hit their timetables.

The Hobbit is a MOVIE not a videogame and has 0 relevance to this.
Are they saying the massive amount of games released at 60 FPS look weird? How about all of their prior games at 60 FPS? Are those now "weird" looking too?
 

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I'm not upset with them. In fact, I find them to be quite pathetic because they don't even know what they're complaining about. They're like lemmings, just copying each other because most of them don't even own the game..

So it's an interesting exercise in bias and bandwagoning if anything..


This is how some forumers feel in every Amd bash thread. Especially the folks that don't even have the hardware. They make misguided quotes and bring up non-issues. Why do they do this? Just because that's why.

So much bias and fud on what is a largely subjective topic. At least the argument shifted from AMD sucks to hot garbage