Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

[FlameTail]

The Intel versions yes.

Aaaaaah. Oooooh. Aaaah

 

[FlameTail]

cross-quoting from Apple Silicon thread;

I personally think it's fine to omit details if one or two cores on a 10-core cpu/gpu have been disabled. You wouldn't notice it without benchmarking or spinning up VMs. For example, amd made 7 different CPUs out of one chip, but all those processors whould have one common name if it was made by apple.

This is why I favour Qualcomm going with an Apple-like approach in naming their Snapdragon X processors, instead of Intel/AMD one. The Apple approach is simpler and more elegant.

Eg:

Snapdragon X Elite
12 core CPU
12 core GPU
60W

Snapdragon X Elite
10 core CPU
8 core GPU
45W

Snapdragon X Elite
12 core CPU
10 core GPU
25W

SoC name and mention all the variables.

Name of SoC
CPU core count
GPU core count
 Wattage

 

[coercitiv]

SoC name and mention all the variables.

You're essentially giving up on the idea of having a decent naming scheme and just dumping all the details on the customer. Simple and elegant.

 

[FlameTail]

You're essentially giving up on the idea of having a decent naming scheme and just dumping all the details on the customer. Simple and elegant.

I argue it's the better option.

Is there nobody who agrees with me?

 

[Tup3x]

I argue it's the better option.

Is there nobody who agrees with me?

1: I bought the latest and greatest Intel Core Ultra! the absolute speed demon!
2: Okay, which version?
1: Core Ultra!
2: No, I mean... Core count, TDP, GPU?
1: Core Ultra?
2: Huh... Let me see next time.
---
2: Okay, you got the slowest 15W 4 core version with 8 GB of RAM. This going to be barely faster than your previous laptop.
1:

Another example:
GeForce RTX 4080 24GB
GeForce RTX 4080 16GB
GeForce RTX 4080 12GB
GeForce RTX 4080 8GB
1: I bought RTX 4080?
2: I see.. 8GB. (lol)
1:
2: That's garbage man.
1:

 

[FlameTail]

New Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 leak just dropped:

Insane leak, with insane numbers and requires to be taken with an insane amount of salt.

 

[ikjadoon]

Generally, the X axis on that kind of graph is the set of tested proxy workloads (whether SPEC subtests or something else.) The labels aren't included here but it looks almost certain to me that that is what the graph is showing.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you kindly for your explanation.

// the litigation

Unrelatedly, Qualcomm has asked for a delay in the Arm v Qualcomm trial (currently set for Sep 2024, well after the X Elite launch).

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64938776/arm-ltd-v-qualcomm-inc/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

//

Then the Judge (again, IIRC) ruled against Qualcomm re: discovery and Qualcomm won't get Ampere's ALA. Apple's ALA & Ampere's ALA were the only two requested I can see. Who else even ships Arm hardware via an ALA? Fujitsu, with the A64FX?

Arm's claim seems to be that Arm changed its business model after Qualcomm is claimed to have broken NUVIA's ALA contract. Qualcomm says "prove you changed it" with the latest ALAs. Judge decided Qualcomm had other means (e.g., financial discovery, etc.) to see Arm's changed its business model, without viewing competitors' ALAs.

 

[FlameTail]

Certainly, not all is well at Qualcomm.

(1) They have the ARM lawsuit to contend with.

(2) Their 2nd generation Oryon core project named "Pegasus" apparently got delayed by 6 months as per rumour.

That is why 8G4 is using what seems to be the exact same Phoenix cores as X Elite! This means the X Elite successor quite likely will not be announced at Snapdragon Summit 2024.

 

[poke01]

cross-quoting from Apple Silicon thread;



This is why I favour Qualcomm going with an Apple-like approach in naming their Snapdragon X processors, instead of Intel/AMD one. The Apple approach is simpler and more elegant.

Eg:

Snapdragon X Elite
12 core CPU
12 core GPU
60W

Snapdragon X Elite
10 core CPU
8 core GPU
45W

Snapdragon X Elite
12 core CPU
10 core GPU
25W

SoC name and mention all the variables.

Name of SoC
CPU core count
GPU core count
 Wattage

This is confusing. Apple seperates their tiers by using M3/Pro/Max.

Why is yours all Snapdragon X Elite, its needs a suffix.

 

[FlameTail]

LG isn't in the list of partners.

An LG Gram with Snapdragon X would be nice.

 

[Nothingness]

I'm not attached to a particular maker (though I only owned DELL and Lenovo laptops) as long as at least one of these OEM does something not outrageously expensive (and with the possibility to install Linux...).

 

[FlameTail]

Also no FRAMEWORK (The modular laptop brand)

 

[FlameTail]

This is confusing. Apple seperates their tiers by using M3/Pro/Max.

Why is yours all Snapdragon X Elite, its needs a suffix.

Coz "Elite" is the suffix.

Apple uses a suffix to describe a discrete SoC.

For example:

M3
7-core GPU

M3
8-core GPU

M3 Pro
11-core CPU
14-core GPU

M3 Pro
12-core CPU
18-core GPU

M3 Max
14-core CPU
30-core GPU

M3 Max
16-core CPU
40-core GPU

This is what I am suggesting for Qualcomm to do.

I am not sure, but it seems you got needlessly confused.

 

[Thibsie]

Let me guess: his nickname was "someone".

EDIT: Ha @SarahKerrigan reminded me Paul de Mone was even worse than "someone".

I was wondering when that name would come back, lol

 

[FlameTail]

So in the future I imagine we'll get more discrete SoCs such as Snapdragon X Elite, Snapdragon X Super, Snapdragon X Ultimate, etc...

 

[Thibsie]

Coz "Elite" is the suffix.

Apple uses a suffix to describe a discrete SoC.

For example:

M2 Max is the SoC. Apple sells two versions: 30 core GPU and 38 core GPU.

Or the M3 Pro for instance: 11 core CPU and 12 core CPU.

This is what I am suggesting for Qualcomm to do.

I am not sure, but it seems you got needlessly confused.

Apple does crap so you suggest Qualcomm to do the same ? OK ...

 

[Thibsie]

Yeah he had pretty much tarnished his name in that forum with his over the top love (trying hard to avoid the word that's banned in these forums) of Itanium so he left for a bit then came back later under a new name. His posting style was unmistakable, however, so it quickly became clear who "someone" was. I haven't seen him there for some time. Too bad, other than his fixation on Itanium he was a good and knowledgeable poster.

There's another (who was/is over the top about Apple) who changed from posting under his real name to something else, but his posting style was unchanged so it was immediately clear who it was. He also posts on Anandtech occasionally under a different nickname, out of respect I won't name him but since you're clearly familiar with RWT I imagine you and Nothingness know exactly who I'm referring to!

Ah, it is too long ago to remember the names although I rememeber WiG, who knows why...

 

[FlameTail]

Apple does crap so you suggest Qualcomm to do the same ? OK ...

I think Apple's system is pretty good

Intel/AMD's naming scheme has turned into an unholy mess.

 

[Thibsie]

I think Apple's system is pretty good

Intel/AMD's naming scheme has turned into an unholy mess.

So it's OK for you if there are multiple CPUs (SOCs in this case) with the same name.
Like, you dunno what's inside 'cos the manufacturer isn't telling you ?

OK...

 

[Tup3x]

IMO different product can't and shouldn't have a same name. If they do, then the only point is to mislead clueless customers.

 

[eek2121]

I think Apple's system is pretty good

Intel/AMD's naming scheme has turned into an unholy mess.

A big part of that is pleasing the OEMs.

Everyone also has a different budget, so having SKUs to target every possible $ level is important.

 

[FlameTail]

Nvidia overtakes Qualcomm.

 

[Nothingness]

A big part of that is pleasing the OEMs.

Everyone also has a different budget, so having SKUs to target every possible $ level is important.

The discussion is about SKU naming, not the existence of SKU.

 

[coercitiv]

Intel/AMD's naming scheme has turned into an unholy mess.

That's not a naming scheme problem, we can have good naming schemes. The problem with the good ones is they are not misleading enough to trick customers into thinking old products are brand new.

 

[FlameTail]

The discussion is about SKU naming, not the existence of SKU.

Exactly. As it stands now, there is only one SKU of the Snapdragon X Elite.

Our discussion is, what if Qualcomm releases a cut down part with say... 8 CPU cores?

How will/should this thing be named?