Quad CPU or Not?

[nanaki333]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
cmon iam just fukin around
but read the quotes again and ask urself: does he really need a quad? his primary will be gamin. he can do lil CAD work with a duo, cant he?
i know u do need a quad, duvie, ur doin lots of stuff like crazy 24/7. u always need the latest ****** around cuz u want to travel back in time or fold the world or sumthing. and thats cool. all iam sayin is dont let this guy pay twice the price if its not really necessary, or tell him at least that in a year or so todays quads will be like yesterdays x2 3800+ eg. in a year they will look like oldies when it comes to what will still be his primary which was....yea, gaming.

yeah you are right!!! i didn't see the primary comment...primary gaming???? NO QUAD....

If you do 1/2 and 1/2 then they may be worth it....I dont game so I am not limited by that single threaded app.....

damn, he beat me to it. yeah, my original post was in reference to him wanting a gaming machine not for a dedicated CAD station.

 

[derail]

Just checked the Falcon NW site. That quad core system they sale is very very expensive, and is no were near 3.7ghz. They are also very proud of there inentory they chage a lot for any add on or upgraded. But I guess if you look at apples web site and try to get one of there High end system with that cinema display you are paying about the same price.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: derail
Just checked the Falcon NW site. That quad core system they sale is very very expensive, and is no were near 3.7ghz. They are also very proud of there inentory they chage a lot for any add on or upgraded. But I guess if you look at apples web site and try to get one of there High end system with that cinema display you are paying about the same price.

They don't make a quad-core chip anywhere near that speed and it's virtually impossible to hit above 3.4Ghz with air cooling on current quad-cores.

 

[VooDooAddict]

If you are still having trouble deciding ... look at is this way.

Since gaming is the prime focus.
Budget for the 8800GTX first ... if you still have the funds for a Quad core .. go for it. Otherwise go with a e6600+ or an Overclocked e6300/e6400) ... any C2D at 2.4 (or greater) should help you get the most potential out of the 8800GTX.... and therefor the best gaming experience.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: derail
Just checked the Falcon NW site. That quad core system they sale is very very expensive, and is no were near 3.7ghz. They are also very proud of there inentory they chage a lot for any add on or upgraded. But I guess if you look at apples web site and try to get one of there High end system with that cinema display you are paying about the same price.

They don't make a quad-core chip anywhere near that speed and it's virtually impossible to hit above 3.4Ghz with air cooling on current quad-cores.

i agree I think it had to be water or chilled water cooled to get that....

 

[terentenet]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: derail
Just checked the Falcon NW site. That quad core system they sale is very very expensive, and is no were near 3.7ghz. They are also very proud of there inentory they chage a lot for any add on or upgraded. But I guess if you look at apples web site and try to get one of there High end system with that cinema display you are paying about the same price.

They don't make a quad-core chip anywhere near that speed and it's virtually impossible to hit above 3.4Ghz with air cooling on current quad-cores.

Kentsfield needs to be paired with the best cooling solution if you want to overclock it. I doubt that FW was clocked at 3.7, I couldn't see a phase change solution there. Even on water I doubt you can get past 3.4 without hitting 90 degrees since you'd need 1.5v to reach that.
I'm currently waiting my Vapochill LS unit and I will take the quad to 4GHz. With some luck, EVGA might be kind enough to release the BIOS that will allow FSB over 300 by then.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: terentenet

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: derail
Just checked the Falcon NW site. That quad core system they sale is very very expensive, and is no were near 3.7ghz. They are also very proud of there inentory they chage a lot for any add on or upgraded. But I guess if you look at apples web site and try to get one of there High end system with that cinema display you are paying about the same price.

They don't make a quad-core chip anywhere near that speed and it's virtually impossible to hit above 3.4Ghz with air cooling on current quad-cores.

Kentsfield needs to be paired with the best cooling solution if you want to overclock it. I doubt that FW was clocked at 3.7, I couldn't see a phase change solution there. Even on water I doubt you can get past 3.4 without hitting 90 degrees since you'd need 1.5v to reach that.
I'm currently waiting my Vapochill LS unit and I will take the quad to 4GHz. With some luck, EVGA might be kind enough to release the BIOS that will allow FSB over 300 by then.

Well you are incorrect...I can get 3.33ghz now with a scythe ninja.....I bet some ppl are getting 3.4ghz now on air cooling....

With water cooling I have seen some at 3.6ghz....

I will let you know how the chilled water goes this weekend, but considering I can get 3.33ghz with 1.33v under load I will bet if I can give enough volts to load at 1.4v I will get 3.5+ghz and heat wont be a factor..


I can boot at 3.466ghz with 1.45v set (1.36v load) though it BSOD when launching the 4th of 4 instances of F@H....so I went out and boosted it to 1.475v set (1.41v idle, 1.38v load)....I launch all 4 sintances no BSOD...temps race....I was idling at 66-70c at idle...load hits 77c and then eventually it rebooted.....

That was heat...I opened up the window letting in some of that high 40s temp in and the temps go lower...I ran it for longer this time and no reboots...Still running...But I dont like the heat so I will wait until I have better cooling.

This chilled water setup should by review accounts lower my load temps 19-23c....I will see ofcourse.

fact of the matter is a qx6700 at those vcores and speeds is creating 180-190watts of heat for dissapation. NO air cooling is sufficent for that and at those temps even most water cooling systems start to fade. Chilled water is the basic limit and it starts to get on the low end.

They could have done 3.73ghz which is likely set at 14x266...with current mobos that is the best option for stability is not to touch the FSB at all...Cherry picked ES chip and I totally se it happening with a chilled water setup.

Edit:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/395/4/
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-768-v...xtreme-QX6700-overclocking-result.html
http://sg.vr-zone.com/?i=4098&s=7
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2866&p=8
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2extreme-qx6700_12.html
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx

All done with air cooling from what I can tell.....Notice how well the asus p5b deluxe did....I htink water cooling easily gets 3.4ghz...chilled water is going to take me to 3.5ghz I am sure of it, if not more....

 

[Mars999]

Here is a list of games that will support quad this year alone.

HL2:Ep2, Crysis, Alan Wake, Supreme Commander, Ut2k7

 

[40sTheme]

I'd say just go with the E6600. No real difference except in multi-tasking/folding/etc. Better bang/buck.

 

[LintMan]

I was trying to decide the same thing, because I wanted my system to hold up for 2-3 years as well. In the end, I decided not to go for the quad because game-wise it'll be quite a while before a quad core would be a real benefit, and nothing else I do on the PC would really benefit from quad cores anytime soon.

I'm betting that 1-2 years from now if multi threading is so prevalent that my dual core won't keep up, I'll be able to get a better, faster new quad (or greater) core cpu for around the same $800 I'd spend extra now for a qx6700.

But there is one other game this year I know of that is expected to support multi-threading: Galactic Civilizations 2: Dark Avatar here. The AI's for each computer player will have its own dedicated threads.