Quad core for $266 in July (hopefully). Lets see some CHEAP crunching builds?

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NicColt

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Would it be better to get those systems running

My personal approach to upgrading (and that we sometimes overlook) specially these days with the cost of hydro ect... has been to try to get the most efficient systems to crunch for the buck.

Get rid of your multiple older non-efficient hight cost crunchers and replace them with for example 80+ certified PSU's and get low TDP CPU's like the 65-75 Watt version.

Right now I think that the most efficient low cost low TDP AMD CPU is the X2-5200+EE at 65W for about $129. For intel it would definately be the G0 Steppings CPU like the conroes at 65-75W.

As for Quads my humble opinion would be to just wait to get a guaranteed G0 stepping quad at 65-75W right now the Q6600 (non-go) is running at about 100W.

If you go Q66 you will need a good PSU like 400+ and a good mobo if you plan to OC it a bit and a better cooler.

 

NicColt

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: NicColt
Originally posted by: TallBill
Q6600 are at $299 today, hopefully they'll drop another $20-30.. If not in a few days I'll just buy em.

wow this canadian NCIX link show $289.99 for a Q6600 + Auto Assault if you buy today.

must not resist.... :)

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The force is strong with that one...
... wait there is another.
 

PCTC2

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Originally posted by: NicColt
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry


As for Quads my humble opinion would be to just wait to get a guaranteed G0 stepping quad at 95W right now the Q6600 (non-go) is running at about 100W.

If you go Q66 you will need a good PSU like 400+ and a good mobo if you plan to OC it a bit and a better cooler.

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Also, @ VirtualLarry, you will want a full-ATX case b/c the airflow in a MicroATX case will not be enough for a C2Q. If you don't mind finding a 350+W (bare minimum running integrate everything, 1 HD, and 0 Optical Drives) for a cruncher for your mATX case, and running at 50C+ idle at stock, then a mATX case is fine.

But for about $600-700, you can have a decent cruncher in a new case w/ a new PSU and a new Q6600.
 

TallBill

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When my wife gets home tonight, I'm pulling the trigger. I'll post specs/cost afterwards.
 

dmcowen674

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Just as long as no one gets charged for using an unused processor:

7-23-2007 New processors present problems, payoff

SAN JOSE, Calif. - A fundamental change in the design of microprocessors is presenting software developers with a challenge ? and a huge financial opportunity.

Chip makers are no longer racing to have the fastest microprocessor and have shifted their focus away from building chips with a single, super-fast calculating core. Instead, to save energy and reduce heat, they're putting multiple cores on the same chip ? the equivalent of several computers on the same slice of silicon.

The cores run slower but are more energy-efficient, and are designed to break up big chores and work on the separate pieces simultaneously.

The resulting technology is ideal for the most demanding multimedia tasks, such as processing large video files, pulling information from multiple databases at the same time, or playing a computer game while downloading music and burning a DVD.

The problem is that many software applications weren't written for chips with multiple cores, and the hardware is advancing so fast that the software runs the risk of being left behind.

Intel has even demonstrated an 80-core research chip that is so complex that it doesn't have an operating system smart enough to work with it.

The gap between hardware and software hasn't become a problem for consumers yet, because operating systems like Windows XP and Vista already work with the multicore chips out now, and basic applications like word processing and e-mail won't need the extra cores or a software overhaul.

But experts predict dire consequences if the software for more complicated applications isn't brought up to speed soon.

They warn that programs could suddenly stop getting faster as chips with eight or more cores make their way into PCs. The software as it's currently designed can't take advantage of that level of complexity.

"You can imagine a scenario where people stop buying laptops and PCs because we can't figure this out," said David Patterson, a computer-architecture expert and computer science professor at the University of California, Berkeley.

"We'd be in uncharted territory," Patterson said. "We need to get some Manhattan Projects going here ? somebody could solve this problem, and whoever solves this problem could have this gigantic advantage on everybody else."

Companies that successfully migrate appropriate mass-market applications to the parallel computing environment ? or create new ones that exploit the shift in chip technology ? stand to profit mightily.
 

Alyx

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"somebody could solve this problem, and whoever solves this problem could have this gigantic advantage on everybody else."

Nah, because who ever solves it will put a patent on it so no one else can use it. Yet who ever owns that patent won't own the patent to any of the other software. In the end no software that needs the cores will be able to fully take advantage of the cores. No one who needs it can use it, hence no advantage. Ahh America, I so love you.
 

Assimilator1

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Todays CPU prices from ebuyer UK
E6850 (2x 3GHz) - £204
Q6600 (4x 2.4GHz) - £175

Did I get the prices the wrong way around last time??:confused:
Nice drop on the Q6600 anyway:)

Originally posted by: NicColt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Is there an AMD quad core equivalent yet?
I've never built an intel machine and don't plan on doing so unless I have to.

Sadly not yet...

as a long time AMD/ATI supporter I find the present situation a sad one. Although I hope that AMD bounces back I don't see them dominating anytime soon. It's sad to see what they're doing right now.
It is sad ,& I hope AMD sort themselves out ,it would be disasterous to lose them.
But in the meantime I still stick with what's best for my £££s ,hence I've built my 1st Intel rig in nearly 8yrs (kept it for just over 2yrs) .......wow ,didn't know it'd been that long!:Q

VirtualLarry
A 200w PSU is far too weak to run any modern CPU I'm afraid.

 
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What the heck, ZipZoomFly.Com had the Q6600 for $290.00 yesterday, now today it's $295.00. Newegg.com had it for $299.00, and today it's $320.00. :(
 

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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
What the heck, ZipZoomFly.Com had the Q6600 for $290.00 yesterday, now today it's $295.00. Newegg.com had it for $299.00, and today it's $320.00. :(

i dunno about zzf, but i'm almost certain that newegg's system automatically bumps up the pricing on hot items when they get in a low-stock condition.
 

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I always buy my CPUs at mwave. They're always way cheaper then anyone else, and free shipping. They had stock yesterday, but they seem to be out today. Q6600 for $279
 
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Originally posted by: The Reaper
I always buy my CPUs at mwave. They're always way cheaper then anyone else, and free shipping. They had stock yesterday, but they seem to be out today. Q6600 for $279

Good call, no free shipping to me though. :( They have some back in stock today for $279.00 unlike Newegg who is almost back up to $400.00 for theirs. It was shipped less than two hours after I placed my order.
 

NicColt

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: NicColt
Originally posted by: TallBill
Q6600 are at $299 today, hopefully they'll drop another $20-30.. If not in a few days I'll just buy em.

wow this canadian NCIX link show $289.99 for a Q6600 + Auto Assault if you buy today.

must not resist.... :)

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Q6600 G0 :shocked::shocked::shocked:

Man that hurts... I gues I'll have to build a Q6600 system also :) ;)

where the heck is that UPS guy anyway... I ordered on the 14 and still not shipped :(
don't they know we have numbers to crunch
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: NicColt

Q6600 G0 :shocked::shocked::shocked:

Man that hurts... I gues I'll have to build a Q6600 system also :) ;)

where the heck is that UPS guy anyway... I ordered on the 14 and still not shipped :(
don't they know we have numbers to crunch

Wowsers, any idea when it comes out?
 

NicColt

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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Mine arrived yesterday, going to build my system this weekend. :D


The BIG question is -----> what is the Quad output of SOB with the Q6600 ?????
 

TallBill

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Not only that NicColt, but a Q6600 at 3.0ghz or higher. Btw, the new steppings are out, but found at random. Unless you specifically buy one off of ebay or something.
 

TallBill

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Not only that NicColt, but a Q6600 at 3.0ghz or higher. Btw, the new steppings are out, but found at random. Unless you specifically buy one off of ebay or something.
 

TallBill

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Not only that NicColt, but a Q6600 at 3.0ghz or higher. Btw, the new steppings are out, but found at random. Unless you specifically buy one off of ebay or something.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: NicColt
This E6600 @ 3.6 ghz seems to be pushing 6.5M for each core.

Good, so it's not my imagination that running two clients on two cores is slower than running a single client on a single core. (Interestingly, though, on my friend's machine, two clients run each at about the same speed as a single client. Not on my machine though.)
SoB seems to like bandwidth. Lots of cache and memory bandwidth. I have one 4 channel FB-DIMM system running 4 cores at 2.3Ghz and I get ~4.5 M per thread. With 4 3Ghz cores and two channels I was only getting ~3.5M per thread. When I dropped the clients down to two it jumped up to 4.6M per thread. So instead of 2 quad core systems I split them up to 4 dual core system. It seems that SoB needs one memory channel per core, atleast with Intel's new core cpu's.

Edit: I meant per-core slower, not overall slower.
 

NicColt

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Good, so it's not my imagination that running two clients on two cores is slower than running a single client on a single core.

excusme if I'm a little slow on this one but can you please explain what you mean.

If two cores are running 6.5M and one core is running 8M yea it's slower but your getting 13M on two cores instead of 8M on one core.
 

NicColt

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Is there anything in here you would change add or modify ?

3 x Antec TX1050B Super Mid Tower Case w/500w SmartPower2.0 PSU, Black $116.00 = $348.00

3 x OCZ Gold 1GB PC2-6400 DDR2 Memory Module *XTC GX REV2* $64.00 = $192.00

3 x Asus P5K-VM iG33 S775 mATX Mainboard w/Video/Audio/GB/FW $128.00 = $384.00

3 x Mitsumi 3.5" Floppy Drive, Black $11.00 = $33.00

3 x WD 160Gb 7200RPM 8Mb SATAII HArd Drive, 3Yr $59.00 = $177.00

3 x LG 16X DVD-ROM Drive BLACK, OEM $27.00 = $81.00

3 x Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz 8MB/1066FSB S775 CPU, Retail $289.95 = $869.85

1 x Linksys 8-Port 10/100/1000 Workgroup Switch, Retail $92.00 = $92.00

1 x APC BackUPS ES 750VA w/Tel&Coax $94.00 = $94.00

3 x Asus Silent Square Cooler (Intel S775) $45.00 = $135.00

If I go with this I would have
2 x 5200+ systems
1 x E6850 as my main system
3 x Q6600 crunchers

Right now I have the 2 x 5200+ and my main system plugged into the 3 ports in the back of the WRT54G and I have one connection just for testing in case and I have one wireless laptop.

If I plug the 3 x Q6600 and the 2 x 5200+ into the switch, can I just plug the switch into one of the ports of the wireless WRT54G router ? will the router then see all my systems ? I'm just not sure on that one.