Q6600 in ati 5850 vs Gtx 470

[Sp12]

Thanks Russian,
He seems to think so.......A 5850 needs more then 880 core to = a 5870, you are wrong.

When they are run at the same clocks (850) the 5870 is less than 3% faster at best. 880 is 3.5% above the 850, I'm unable to find a specific chart but hopefully the info I can find and math will dispel some notion of 1000+ core clock for 5870 performance, at that speed a 5850 surpasses a stock 480.

 

[happy medium]

When they are run at the same clocks (850) the 5870 is less than 3% faster at best. 880 is 3.5% above the 850, I'm unable to find a specific chart but hopefully the info I can find and math will dispel some notion of 1000+ core clock for 5870 performance, at that speed a 5850 surpasses a stock 480.

I don't want to ruin the thread with crosstalk..send it to me pm.
Thanks

 

[busydude]

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Thanks,

Since you are so confused regarding the cards, i'll list the advantages and disadvantages, you can select based on your priorities.

Reference 5850:
1)Very low availability
2) Great Overclocker
3)Consumes less power than 5870 and 470
4) quiet
5) less heat
6) Easy on your CPU when compared to Fermi
7) 15% slower than gtx 470

Non reference 5870
1) good availability
2) consumes less power than 470
3) overclocks well(on stock)
4)quiet
5) less heat
6) Easy on your CPU when compared to Fermi
7) 5%-10% faster than gtx 470

GTX 470
1)extremely good availability
2)power hungry
3)overclocks fine, even more power hungry
4) loud
5) more heat
6) On average 15% faster than 5850(min FPS)
7) Bottlenecks you CPU more than 58XX cards.

 

[Sp12]

I don't want to ruin the thread with crosstalk..send it to me pm.
Thanks

It's not exactly crosstalk, it's a point to consider for the 5850. At 880 clocks it will match a 5870. 880 is NOT a lofty overclocking goal, and some chips (like mine) are able to reach that without any additional voltage. That's a very compelling price/performance piece, again depending on your game.

At 1000 core (possible with volts, not common), a 5850 will match a 480, a significantly more expensive piece of hardware (again, depending on the game).

Also, the above is inaccurate, it's about 13% slower in min FPS. The 470 is 15% faster though. There's also price to consider.

 

[Wolfman1862]

Ok I have done a bit of computing using a few sights and have brought it back down to the 470 and the 5850 (5870 even at 375, isnt too good in a price vs performance against the 470).

I know evga is a good Brand however I have never owned a diamond gpu, anybody have any say on that brand?

 

[Sp12]

Newegg has a 5870 for 350 shipped today, if that's not compelling price/performance...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...td.-_-14161329

 

[Wolfman1862]

Newegg has a 5870 for 350 shipped today, if that's not compelling price/performance...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...td.-_-14161329

I know that is a great price the problem is I have to tack 25$ for tax, while the other 2 cards I can buy from other sites and there will be no tax. So that 350 comes out to 375 which puts the 470 into the game at 330$ total.

At the two prices
With tax the 5870 is ~13% more expensive than the 470
Without tax the 5870 is ~6% more expensive than the 470.
At 6% you better believe I would buy the 5870, and this thread would be shut, at 13% however it makes things a lot more difficult

 

[Sp12]

I know that is a great price the problem is I have to tack 25$ for tax, while the other 2 cards I can buy from other sites and there will be no tax. So that 350 comes out to 375 which puts the 470 into the game at 330$ total

:[ That stinks. But the 5870 is only ~14% more expensive than the 470 at that point, and offers about that much more performance.

Depends on whether the 45$ is worth it to you, though I guess the 5870 does have the advantage of being easier on the CPU. It's a toss up IMO :/

 

[Wolfman1862]

:[ That stinks. But the 5870 is only ~14% more expensive than the 470 at that point, and offers about that much more performance.

Depends on whether the 45$ is worth it to you, though I guess the 5870 does have the advantage of being easier on the CPU. It's a toss up IMO :/

I would agree the 5870 does have the edge over the 470 but I have been looking around and the performance difference does not seem to be as steep as 14%. I tallied up the fps from anandtech and xbitlabs, and 470 is much closer to 5870 on average. From using their data I averaged about 5% greater performance from the 5870(this was at 1920x1200, and whatever AA/AF they had running. So its not to scientific however its about what I would run the games at), and in some games the 470 did better so idk.

 

[Sp12]

I agree it's heavily game dependent, but in some situations, especially at higher resolutions, the 5870 has 20%+ more performance. Also important is that the reviews are done on overclocked i7's, there's more of a chance for you to be CPU bottlenecked on a Q6600 at 3Ghz, which is a situation favoring ATI cards.

What are the top games you'll be playing?

 

[Wolfman1862]

I play a lot of strategy games and shooters mostly. MW2, BFBC2, Metro 2033. That is just some of the games I play, I also want the card to be more future proof but I guess in those terms they are in equal boats, except the 470 has a bit more memory.

 

[SolMiester]

Thanks,

Since you are so confused regarding the cards, i'll list the advantages and disadvantages, you can select based on your priorities.

Reference 5850:
1)Very low availability
2) Great Overclocker
3)Consumes less power than 5870 and 470
4) quiet
5) less heat
6) Easy on your CPU when compared to Fermi
7) 15% slower than gtx 470

Non reference 5870
1) good availability
2) consumes less power than 470
3) overclocks well(on stock)
4)quiet
5) less heat
6) Easy on your CPU when compared to Fermi
7) 5%-10% faster than gtx 470

GTX 470
1)extremely good availability
2)power hungry
3)overclocks fine, even more power hungry
4) loud
5) more heat
6) On average 15% faster than 5850(min FPS)
7) Bottlenecks you CPU more than 58XX cards.

You know, that just about supports my....dare I say it blanket statement, 10-20% faster depending on game..
Fark there are some pedantic farks on this board!

 

[SolMiester]

It's not exactly crosstalk, it's a point to consider for the 5850. At 880 clocks it will match a 5870. 880 is NOT a lofty overclocking goal, and some chips (like mine) are able to reach that without any additional voltage. That's a very compelling price/performance piece, again depending on your game.

At 1000 core (possible with volts, not common), a 5850 will match a 480, a significantly more expensive piece of hardware (again, depending on the game).

Also, the above is inaccurate, it's about 13% slower in min FPS. The 470 is 15% faster though. There's also price to consider.

Please link a 5850 at 1000 core beating a 480!

 

[Will Robinson]

Gee,Happy...seeing you decided to bring [H] results into this thread...lets see what they had to say in conclusion....

GeForce GTX 470

Starting from the bottom up, we would say the least relevant video card is the GeForce GTX 470. In all our gameplay testing today, not once did the GeForce GTX 470 provide a superior gameplay experience compared to the Radeon HD 5850, even in Metro 2033. In fact, performance was very close between both video cards, and in some cases the Radeon HD 5850 proved to provide faster framerates. Looking strictly at performance, these video cards are equal.

Of course, we have to look beyond just performance, as metrics such as cost and power consumption come into play. The GeForce GTX 470 is more expensive than the Radeon HD 5850. We are seeing some great deals on Radeon HD 5850 cards starting to crop up, and the fact is that the Radeon 5850 can be purchased with a lot less of your cold hard cash. Looking at power, the GeForce GTX 470 consumes a good bit more power than the Radeon HD 5850, while also producing higher thermals.

The HD 5850 is the clear value winner when compared to the GTX 470. We have been telling you that the Radeon 5850 is the best value in enthusiast video cards since last year and the GTX 470 does nothing to change that.

Ouch again?

 

[Janooo]

I know that is a great price the problem is I have to tack 25$ for tax, while the other 2 cards I can buy from other sites and there will be no tax. So that 350 comes out to 375 which puts the 470 into the game at 330$ total.

At the two prices
With tax the 5870 is ~13% more expensive than the 470
Without tax the 5870 is ~6% more expensive than the 470.
At 6% you better believe I would buy the 5870, and this thread would be shut, at 13% however it makes things a lot more difficult

If you count every dollar then be prepared to pay for more electricity with 470.

 

[happy medium]

Gee,Happy...seeing you decided to bring [H] results into this thread...lets see what they had to say in conclusion....

Ouch again?

Overall mabe but at the OP res, its not so cut and dry.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You know, that just about supports my....dare I say it blanket statement, 10-20% faster depending on game..
Fark there are some pedantic farks on this board!

No. I quoted exactly what you said below. You said that the 470 is 'at least' 10%-20% faster depending on the game. That is simply not true. On average it may be 15% faster, but it is not 'at least' 10% faster, there are times it is actually slower than a 5850 and there are times that it is not 10% faster. Your statement below implies that it's never slower than 10% faster. That is simply a false statement.

No....470 with latest drivers is at least 10-20% depending on the game

Please link a 5850 at 1000 core beating a 480!

Please show me where he said that it will beat the 480. He said it will match a 480 depending on the game, I would imagine that is a completely true statement.

The 470 is a decent card for someone who wants Physx or uses CUDA, it fits right between the 5850 and 5870 in both price and performance. But as the review clearly states, you won't get a different game play experience between the 5850 and 470. That is from a reviewer that has both cards. Olifieldtrash has had both a 5850 and 470, he also says that the 5850 is the better overall part. Until you or I have both parts we can't say much other than what the reviews state.

If I were buying, based on everything I know from statements here and the reviews, I'd get a 5850 without a second thought. They overclock like mad if you want more oomph. They use significantly less power, put out significantly less heat, are quieter, and they cost less. I know the Nvidia guys are trying to downplay power, heat, and noise, but to some those factors are important. And when you consider that it would appear that your game play experience is nearly the same, it just seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[Sp12]

Please link a 5850 at 1000 core beating a 480!

I can't find the link, but since 880 core matches a 5870, and 1000 is ~14 % higher than that, you could expect a 5850 at 1000 to be 13% faster than a 5870, which is pretty much consistent with the 480's lead.

 

[RussianSensation]

I can't find the link, but since 880 core matches a 5870, and 1000 is ~14 % higher than that, you could expect a 5850 at 1000 to be 13% faster than a 5870, which is pretty much consistent with the 480's lead.

880 would probably be about right: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-hd5850_5.html#sect4

However, it is unlikely to match a GTX480. While GTX480 may be on average 15-20% faster than the 5870, in the games where GTX480 leads, 5870 has no chance, esp. not in minimum frame rates. On the other hand, there are hardly any games where 5870 leads. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx470-sli_6.html#sect1

Still 5850 @ 950mhz for example is a tremendous value at $290!

 

[Wolfman1862]

Hey guys I have finally made a decision I picked up a gtx 470 for 300, yeah I know this kind of goes against some of the advice you guys were throwing at me but at 300 it was a good deal(at least I thought so). I would have bought the His 5870 at 350 again if newegg for me did not come with an additional 25$ of tax (so 375 for the5870).

Again Thanks for all the help guys.

 

[happy medium]

300$ for gtx 470 is a great deal. SHame about the tax on the 5870.

 

[Wolfman1862]

Yeah, newegg used to be great here but a few years back guess what they built a warehouse so taxes . I drive past the warehouse on the way to school its pretty epic I must say with the Newegg logo, less epic when I found out about the taxes . Yeah I got my 470 from amazon for 300 with 2 day shipping included so I'm happy.

 

[netxzero64]

this will clear your mind...

http://www.techspot.com/review/283-geforce-gtx-400-vs-radeon-hd-5800/

 

[Will Robinson]

this will clear your mind...

http://www.techspot.com/review/283-geforce-gtx-400-vs-radeon-hd-5800/

Meanie:biggrin:

 

[severus]

If I were the OP, I'd get whatever card has the best Min/Avg FPS. Max FPS really doesn't matter to me because you're never going to sit at it for a long period of time. What would be important to me, as a gamer, is how well the card performs in scenes of intense action. Benchmarks can only tell you so much, as many of them aren't based on these factors.