Q6600 in ati 5850 vs Gtx 470

[RussianSensation]

So I'm guessing the break down of gpus is 5850<470<5870 ?

That's about right.

Here is a review with 257 and Cats 10.5 drivers: http://www.legionhardware.com/artic..._vs_geforce_gtx_470_and_radeon_hd_5850,3.html

 

[happy medium]

Thanks Russiansensation but that's not making my decision any easier ^_^. So I'm guessing the break down of gpus is 5850<470<5870 or are they just a big jumble?

Well you can throw the evga gtx 465 in there also... at 250$ at the Egg now.

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=928&type=expert&pid=4

 

[Wolfman1862]

Thanks for all the recommendations guys, I have yet to make up my mind. When I decide what the plan is I'll be sure to post. Again thanks for all the help.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Thanks for all the recommendations guys, I have yet to make up my mind. When I decide what the plan is I'll be sure to post. Again thanks for all the help.

I just want to add that I play at 1920x1200 with a 5870, it is wonderful at this resolution. But, that's not to say that the 5850 or GTX470 won't be great, too.

I don't think you can go wrong as far as performance goes, but the Radeons are certainly a bit more 'well mannered' in my opinion, going by reviews and what I've read (I haven't owned a GTX4xx personally). But if CUDA or Physx are important to you than that should certainly be factored in to your decision.

I'd get the Radeon, but I'm maybe a bit biased since I like this card so much.

Good luck!

 

[Wolfman1862]

I just want to add that I play at 1920x1200 with a 5870, it is wonderful at this resolution. But, that's not to say that the 5850 or GTX470 won't be great, too.

I don't think you can go wrong as far as performance goes, but the Radeons are certainly a bit more 'well mannered' in my opinion, going by reviews and what I've read (I haven't owned a GTX4xx personally). But if CUDA or Physx are important to you than that should certainly be factored in to your decision.

I'd get the Radeon, but I'm maybe a bit biased since I like this card so much.

Good luck!

Yeah I am debating on what route to go I feel like I have a misguided understanding of the gtx 470 in terms of better performance in dx11 games. At least with all of the abilities of dx11 turned on. However if this is true or not is the real question.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I had a 5850 before my current evga gtx 470. The 5850 is the better card. It's pretty much equal with the 470 but is much cooler, quieter, and uses less electric. Which every bit of electric counts trying to cool your house in the summer. The downsides: no physx, 3d support, generally nvidia has better drivers too.

 

[santz]

so with latest drivers is 5850 and gtx 470 around the saome performance wise. How much of a percentage average difference is there?

 

[tweakboy]

That is great price for a 470 , which u can prob OC and make the clock like a 5970l

I wanna dual core 490 chip . Ill wait for that, but not install it yet. Install it when Im tired of a 470

 

[v8envy]

Tweakboy for president!

 

[SolMiester]

so with latest drivers is 5850 and gtx 470 around the saome performance wise. How much of a percentage average difference is there?

No....470 with latest drivers is at least 10-20% depending on the game

 

[3DVagabond]

No....470 with latest drivers is at least 10-20% depending on the game

You can't just make a blanket statement like that. It depends on settings and resolution (and of course what games). I've seen reviews that show little to no difference, as well.

 

[SolMiester]

You can't just make a blanket statement like that. It depends on settings and resolution (and of course what games). I've seen reviews that show little to no difference, as well.

Well, I'm not talking 25x16 now am I!!, and I did say depending on games!

 

[Sylvanas]

Well, I'm not talking 25x16 now am I!!, and I did say depending on games!

Got a link? Tests you have done? No? k then....

 

[happy medium]

You can't just make a blanket statement like that. It depends on settings and resolution (and of course what games). I've seen reviews that show little to no difference, as well.

@1900x 1080 the op's resolution the gtx 470 will beat a 5850 in 90&#37; of games.
Sometimes by more then 20%. With the recent sales Ive seen on the gtx 470 ($286 shipped) it becomes the better deal.

When overclocked the gtx 470 will beat a 5870, a 5850 will not, unless you get it over 1000 core (good luck). It's possible but then it uses way more power (then stock) and gets just as hot as a gtx470 unless you get the exspensive models.

 

[happy medium]

Got a link? Tests you have done? No? k then....

I'd give you a ton of links,but its common knowledge, there is no need.

Even a ATI fanboy will agree the gtx 470 IS faster then a 5850 by around 15% average. They will also point out the noise and heat the gtx produces vs the 5850.

 

[MagickMan]

I'd give you a ton of links,but its common knowledge, there is no need.

Even a ATI fanboy will agree the gtx 470 IS faster then a 5850 by around 15% average. They will also point out the noise and heat the gtx produces vs the 5850.

Just like NV fanboys usually forget that the 5850 overclocks much better than the 470?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Just like NV fanboys usually forget that the 5850 overclocks much better than the 470?

? the only thing that doesn't OC well for the GTX470 is the memory clocks because of the botched memory controller. Either than that, the shader/core clocks can go beyond a stock GTX480 by hefty margins (especially with increase in Vcore). And unlike the HD5850, GTX4x0 cards scale linearly with the overclocks.

The only downside I could think of is the increase power consumtpion/heat and i.e noise compared to the HD5850.

 

[3DVagabond]

@1900x 1080 the op's resolution the gtx 470 will beat a 5850 in 90% of games.
Sometimes by more then 20%. With the recent sales Ive seen on the gtx 470 ($286 shipped) it becomes the better deal.

When overclocked the gtx 470 will beat a 5870, a 5850 will not, unless you get it over 1000 core (good luck). It's possible but then it uses way more power (then stock) and gets just as hot as a gtx470 unless you get the exspensive models.

Listen, all I stated was that you can't make a statement that the 470 is at least 10%-20% faster than the 5850. Qualifying it with "depending on the game" doesn't fix the completely misleading original statement. Even your qualification of 1900*1080 and 90% isn't accurate. It sure doesn't make the statement I responded to more accurate.

Here's a review where it isn't any faster: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/06/01/gigabyte_r585oc_video_card_review/
I'm not claiming that a the definitive review either. Just stating that blanket statements proclaiming the 470's superiority are misleading.

Even a ATI fanboy will agree the gtx 470 IS faster then a 5850 by around 15% average.

You are one of the last people who should be using the term fanboy for anyone.

 

[Sylvanas]

I'd give you a ton of links,but its common knowledge, there is no need.

Even a ATI fanboy will agree the gtx 470 IS faster then a 5850 by around 15% average. They will also point out the noise and heat the gtx produces vs the 5850.

I was responding to

at least 10-20% depending on the game

which as a blanket statement is not correct. It infers that at a minimum the 470 is 10%+ faster at everything with an even higher margin 'depending on the game'. Recent reviews don't support this there are some large margins in Farcry2 and Metro2033, but a blanket statement that implies it is faster all circumstances by at least 10-20% is misleading.

 

[Will Robinson]

I'd give you a ton of links,but its common knowledge, there is no need.

Even a ATI fanboy will agree the gtx 470 IS faster then a 5850 by around 15% average. They will also point out the noise and heat the gtx produces vs the 5850.

What a load of rubbish.

Ouch

 

[santz]

What a load of rubbish.

Ouch

interesting, this is getting curiouser and curiouser!

I have a q6600 as well running at stock speeds over 2 years, never though about OCing, what is the best tool to OC q6600 and what should be the max OC to q6600. I dont want to fry it. I will be purchasing a 5850 or a gtx 470 soon enough

 

[Will Robinson]

The best way to OC your Q6600 is in the system BIOS.
With a mild overclock you probably won't need to adjust voltages or memory profiles.
They run pretty fast at an even 3.0GHz which you can set it to by using a 333Mhz FSB ratio with the 9 multiplier.
Here's some reading for you...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=47089

ps.I agree,Obama is awesome
pps.I have an HD5850 and it rocks.

 

[rolodomo]

Ouch

What "ouch," he said average. I guess if you're an ATI user you only play Battelfield 2 because it is the only benchmark I ever see posted, and I've seen it about 10 times in the last few days.

I know you wouldn't cherry pick to misrepresent average performance (that never happens here), so here's a link to the article with ALL the f* tests:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3745/nvidias-geforce-gtx-465/1

 

[happy medium]

Ok here is some benches for ya. In most cases the gtx 465 = a 5850.
The gtx 470 easily beats it.

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=928&type=expert&pid=2

 

[Sp12]

Guys, posting links to specific game and AA combinations is meaningless. Not only that, but the above benches are way out of line with the others I've seen. The 465 outperforms the 5850 in those, which I know is not what every other review I've read has stated.

The 470 is a bit faster at stock, but generally does not OC very well. It is more power hungry and produces more heat, inherently limiting OC potential besides the fact that it's a binned, low-yield chip.

It's not a bad card, but it is an overall worse price/performance part than the 5850.

Most 5850s will overclock to ~940 with minimal volts, and they overtake stock 5870s at ~880, which I got to without any additional volts at all. The memory chips are literally the same just volt them to 5870 levels and you can clock them just as high.

Regardless, if you can wait I just might. ATI's Southern Island parts are due for Q4.