Q6600 at 4.3GHz? Is it possible?

[VirtualLarry]

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Read the review with one egg. Seems unbelievable to me. Algomoria, can you comment?

 

[Roy2001]

3.4Ghz, possible, 4.3Ghz, no way!

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I've seen 4GHz possible, but the amount of volts needed for it across the board are dangerously high. He'd also need some serious cooling setup. Anyways, its a ridiculous review even if it is true because he represents an extreme niche. But my guess is he's just some idiot that was running the processor and motherboard well beyond safe settings (and probably wasn't even anywhere near stable at any time) and thus the parts degraded/died over time. That being a likely scenario its no wonder DFI is giving him a hard time replacing the product he most likely killed under his own stupidity.

 

[OCGuy]

I wish there was an IQ test before you could post a review on the Egg.

 

[taltamir]

Cons: this motherboard is subpar for overclocking quads. My Q6600 which i was able to achieve over 4.3ghz on a less expensive X38 was maxed at 4198 on this board. it died after about a month and a half and DFI is being VERY difficult with the RMA giving me no help at all

I see a lot of mobos allow up to 2v on the CPU... going above 1.4 volts on a wolfdale degrades it (and makes it die in under a month), i dont know how many volts it takes to degrade a Q6600, or how many he outputted, but I would hazard a guess that he was giving it way too much juice.

I don't see why he is extecting DFI to replace the CPU that he fried, or refund him for a board he likely damaged in over a month a abuse.

 

[Drsignguy]

As we all know the majority of the reviews on there are bunk anyway. Until that person shows some valid proof, his review is just a fictional story. :roll:

 

[rge]

I googled microman (reviewer in newegg) + q6600, ?the same microman in post 3 of link below, cpuz validation under post, looks like benching q6600 4.3 at unknown volts (cpuz vcore sensor set off in ini file)
http://www.overclock.net/intel...6600-clock-better.html

 

[aigomorla]

you guys dont want me to tell you how stupid he is.

4.3ghz, yeah its possible but what cooling is he using?

Phase? in a form of a dual autocascade?


Guys i have a hard enough time taking my unlocked cherry picked yorkie @ 4.3ghz to what i consider "accepable and safe voltages"

I accepted her max is 4.25ghz and im fine with that.

And i was extatic i got 470fsb, but low MHZ on my 780i.

So that should tell you what i think of microman's post.


Usually guys that post things like that have only wishes for people to see how large there epenis is.

Im sorry what does honestly a rant on a review thread saying you couldnt get 4.3ghz sound like?

Thats like me ranting saying OH BOO! i got a Yorkie that cant overclock past 4ghz.

Something you guys will never hear me do.

 

[krnmastersgt]

He clocked his Q6600 at 4.2, killed it, and wants DFI to RMA it now? I hope that was a typo on his part, otherwise, what Ocguy31 said should be taken seriously by Newegg

 

[aigomorla]

BOOO...

guys my DFI killed my Wolfdale @ 4.3ghz in 1 month!!!

I was ONLY pushing 1.57Vcore. Hey thats not safe?!?!?!?

It only lasted 1 month and now im gonna file an RMA.




You guys see how stupid this sounds? This is why when i killed my wolfdale, i went OOPS too much voltage, stupid me.

And then tossed it.

You dont RANT when you kill something you overclocked. By overclocking you accepted that risk.

This is how you tell apart from newbie Overclockers, with veteran overclockers.
When a vet kills a chip, its a *sigh* DAYAM! off to buy another one.

not lets see if i can lie my way into an RMA because im too cheap to accept broken toys.


Personally he got what he asked for. No idiot would ever recomend that stupid insane voltage on non sub ambient cooling. And no idiot would rant if he killed a chip that was on sub ambient cooling.

 

[Drsignguy]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
BOOO...

guys my DFI killed my Wolfdale @ 4.3ghz in 1 month!!!

I was ONLY pushing 1.57Vcore. Hey thats not safe?!?!?!?

It only lasted 1 month and now im gonna file an RMA.




You guys see how stupid this sounds? This is why when i killed my wolfdale, i went OOPS too much voltage, stupid me.

And then tossed it.

You dont RANT when you kill something you overclocked. By overclocking you accepted that risk.

This is how you tell apart from newbie Overclockers, with veteran overclockers.
When a vet kills a chip, its a *sigh* DAYAM! off to buy another one.

not lets see if i can lie my way into an RMA because im too cheap to accept broken toys.


Personally he got what he asked for. No idiot would ever recomend that stupid insane voltage on non sub ambient cooling. And no idiot would rant if he killed a chip that was on sub ambient cooling.

I agree Aigo!:thumbsup: you take responsibility of your own actions and own up to your mistakes!

 

[imported_Woody]

LOL! Thanks for the link to that review. It was entertaining. I laughed.

I only hope the boys over at DFI customer service were able to laugh also.

 

[Sentry2]

Well, not that it makes a huge difference but I'm pretty sure he killed his board and not the Q6600.

I'm sure he's on phase as well. I don't know why 4.2GHz to 4.3GHz would be out of reach with a good chip and even SS phase.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Drsignguy]

Originally posted by: Sentry2
Well, not that it makes a huge difference but I'm pretty sure he killed his board and not the Q6600.

I'm sure he's on phase as well. I don't know why 4.2GHz to 4.3GHz would be out of reach with a good chip and even SS phase.

Just my thoughts.

It is difficult, but not the way he was describing it. It was like a no big deal to him. But with that chip, you really got to know what your doing. I can heat my garage in the middle of winter with that chip if not careful.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Sentry2
Well, not that it makes a huge difference but I'm pretty sure he killed his board and not the Q6600.

I'm sure he's on phase as well. I don't know why 4.2GHz to 4.3GHz would be out of reach with a good chip and even SS phase.

Just my thoughts.

heh and you missed me pointing out that if he was on phase, ie sub ambient, then he wouldnt of cryed when he broke something.

4.3 is VERY DIFFICULT. even for phase on a kentsfield. And its not going to be at a safe voltage. Your gonna hit that FSB wall, and on kentfield, EVERYTHING better be top notch hardware to pull a FSB that high.

Which to me is stupid if he's crying he broke something.

He should of known what he was taking himself into. 470+FSB, requires massive cooling on the board. Expecially for long loads. Were not just looking at cpu anymore people.


Lemme compare. Its like this. He is playing with a gun and then he shot himself in the leg, and he is ranting cuz it didnt go though his leg, however he is blaming a faulty trigger when his finger did the pulling.

Thats what it sounds to me.

Lastly, he's a noob. Why? I havent met ONE experienced OCer that says the DFI is crap unless your a noob that doesnt know how to use one.

What board you guys think i use on benches? Its not gigabyte. And i wouldnt consider myself a noob.

Infact here:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0900.jpg

mmm why that looks like the DFI he was ranting about. :T

 

[Idontcare]

I read that reviewer as saying the DFI board died after 6 weeks, not the CPU. And apparantely before the mobo died it's FSB limit for his Q6600 was such that it limited the OC to 4.2GHz despite his earlier successes at 4.3GHz on an un-named X38 mobo.

Hard to say what the deal was with his Q6600, could have just been one of those 1 ppm golden CPU's that really could overclock to 4.3GHz with his particular cooling gear.

Regardless the merits and caveats of the claim of 4.3GHz, the focus need be given to the killage of a decent mobo after 6 weeks at such curiously high FSB levels and CPU amperages.

Microman's response to having a dead mobo after torturing it like that is the asinine part, thru and thru.

 

[aigomorla]

IDC i can vouch for the board.

Its not the kind that would give up and die on ya like that.

He obviously was doing something wrong.

Also on the forums he's recomending 3.8ghz overclock on pure VID calculations.

...

Sorry, but i wouldnt gaurentee any overclock unless its 3.2ghz. Even with Vid calculations.

 

[TraumaRN]

Yea um cuz my Q6600 can goto 3.55Ghz safely and effectively for days and heavy loads on end at 1.36V......and hell suicide run wise I've hit 3.93 with my Tuniq on full blast and 2 other 120MM fans blowing directly onto the mobo and CPU, that was stable enough to get into windows, but thats it, couldnt bench anything or it'd crash

I can do 3DMark06/Vantage at 3.65 but it's not stable enough for gaming oddly enough.

Basically the guy's full of crap

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
What board you guys think i use on benches? Its not gigabyte. And i wouldnt consider myself a noob.

Infact here:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0900.jpg

mmm why that looks like the DFI he was ranting about. :T

Oh good, so you own that board? I was thinking of getting a couple for my Q6600 builds, planning to crossfire my 4850s (and perhaps pick up two more for a second rig, they're hard to resist).

How is the BIOS, and how important would it be to get the X48 over the X38? X48 has official 400Mhz FSB support, but I would imagine that X38 can do 400MHz unofficially. I plan on running my chips @ 3.6, 400x9, if cooling holds. (Planning on picking up some Tuniq Tower 120s.) It would be nice to have some FSB headroom to OC some 45nm quads in the future though. Is X48 better at pushing high FSBs on quads than X38?

I was a little worried about VRM cooling, there's a heatsink, but I dunno how big it is. It doesn't look like it covers much area. I'm wondering how many VRM phases it has for the CPU, it has two long cypress semiconductor chips, instead of a whole bunch of smaller mosfets like Gigabyte boards have.

Also, why the fan on the southbridge? Does it need it?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: aigomorla
What board you guys think i use on benches? Its not gigabyte. And i wouldnt consider myself a noob.

Infact here:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0900.jpg

mmm why that looks like the DFI he was ranting about. :T

Oh good, so you own that board? I was thinking of getting a couple for my Q6600 builds, planning to crossfire my 4850s (and perhaps pick up two more for a second rig, they're hard to resist).

How is the BIOS, and how important would it be to get the X48 over the X38? X48 has official 400Mhz FSB support, but I would imagine that X38 can do 400MHz unofficially. I plan on running my chips @ 3.6, 400x9, if cooling holds. (Planning on picking up some Tuniq Tower 120s.) It would be nice to have some FSB headroom to OC some 45nm quads in the future though. Is X48 better at pushing high FSBs on quads than X38?

I was a little worried about VRM cooling, there's a heatsink, but I dunno how big it is. It doesn't look like it covers much area. I'm wondering how many VRM phases it has for the CPU, it has two long cypress semiconductor chips, instead of a whole bunch of smaller mosfets like Gigabyte boards have.

Also, why the fan on the southbridge? Does it need it?

thats a ton of questions.

1. Larry if your not the type to actually sit there in bios and scratch your head to try different things, this board is not for you.

The bios in insane. Theres more options then even i care to look at. And some of them even scares me, so i dont dare touch them off auto.

The X48 is even more pickier with GTL values. So if you try to GTL tweek your voltage, the board doesnt boot.

What i do love about the board is you can reset your cmos just by holding down the reset button for 5 seconds.


The fan on the southbridge. Well, im running 4 raptors in raid. So yeah, that thing will heat up. However i have an ARC-1680ix controller sitting right now. I might return it, i might not.

The VRM is very easy to cool. All you need is a 70mm yate. ziptie the bottom corner and secure like this:

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0934.jpg

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
The X48 is even more pickier with GTL values. So if you try to GTL tweek your voltage, the board doesnt boot.

Do you mean that the X48 boards are more picky than the X38 boards for GTL voltage adjustments? Why would that be, they are the same chipset effectively.

Originally posted by: aigomorla
What i do love about the board is you can reset your cmos just by holding down the reset button for 5 seconds.

You mean the reset reset button? Not reset with a clear CMOS button?

Bottom line - should I get the X38 model or the X48 model? Not worried about the cost difference. It looks like you have the X38 model.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: aigomorla
The X48 is even more pickier with GTL values. So if you try to GTL tweek your voltage, the board doesnt boot.

Do you mean that the X48 boards are more picky than the X38 boards for GTL voltage adjustments? Why would that be, they are the same chipset effectively.

Originally posted by: aigomorla
What i do love about the board is you can reset your cmos just by holding down the reset button for 5 seconds.

You mean the reset reset button? Not reset with a clear CMOS button?

Bottom line - should I get the X38 model or the X48 model? Not worried about the cost difference. It looks like you have the X38 model.

ruby's exact words were.

#$#@$#@$#@ why is this thing so picky with GTL!

So if ruby is ranting about it. then yea its UBER picky.

 

[Sentry2]

Well I'm not defending the guy....just saying it sounds like he killed the board and not the cpu. I've had plenty of DFI boards back in the day when AMD was on top and I don't have anything negative to say about their build quality. As aigomorla said, most DFI boards aren't for the average overclocker.

The Rampage Formula I've got doesn't require super high voltage @ 475. I primed my setup @ 475x8 for 9 hours and didn't have any issues. One thing I do like on the DFI is the separate NB/SB heatsinks. Much more user friendly if you're looking to water cool the NB. Sometimes I wish ASUS would get their heads out of their asses and make a setup like that.

Yes, 4.3 may be very difficult...but it can be done with a good chip on single stage phase. Now I wouldn't recommend trying that with a retail unit such as a Vapochill or Mach but rather a custom one like a unit built by Jin or another experienced builder who will tune your unit specifically for what you're using it for.

But...then again who the hell goes over to newegg to bitch because a MB died...and oh it just happened to be while he was trying to push 4.3GHz. Trust me, I'm with ya aigomorla.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Sentry2

Yes, 4.3 may be very difficult...but it can be done with a good chip on single stage phase. Now I wouldn't recommend trying that with a retail unit such as a Vapochill or Mach but rather a custom one like a unit built by Jin or another experienced builder who will tune your unit specifically for what you're using it for.

But...then again who the hell goes over to newegg to bitch because a MB died...and oh it just happened to be while he was trying to push 4.3GHz. Trust me, I'm with ya aigomorla.

im getting one worked out with N00B 0f L33t. He's a great builder. >:]

Also if you did buy a phase unit, once again, i dont think you'd rant on newegg if you killed anything while it was on that phase unit.

For people like us, we break something, its a OOPS and tos.

Not CRY CRY CRY Lie my way into RMA.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Lastly, he's a noob. Why? I havent met ONE experienced OCer that says the DFI is crap unless your a noob that doesnt know how to use one.

I'd say i'm an experienced OC'er and I think MY DFI is crap. In my 14+ years in OC'ing, my current DFI has to be one of the biggest PIA boards i've ever dealt with and perhaps one of my biggest letdowns ever.