Putin Spreads More Anti-US Sentiment In Europe

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.

Yeah, just like we mind our own fucking business, right?

Putin is correct (even though I'm sure he's just as much of a sack of crap as our administration is), we're quite the monster.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Wait, wait wait... its BAD for Europeans to spend money on the betterment of the lives of the people? Missile Shields are amazingly ineffective. In tests, they don't even have a 50% effectiveness rate, thats WITH knowing where they are fired from, where they are, their speed, and etc.

Which Holiday Inn Express did you stay in last night? I think you need to do some more research on the latest Interceptor system which has a much higher success rate than 50%.

Do these systems still shoot down 1 missile? Or do these take into account a dozen warheads steraming out of a missile with decoy warheads?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: piasabird
USSR and later Russia has been selling arms and supplies and helping middle eastern countries for years. They have outstanding loans to many of the countries in the Middle East. They are invested in the Middle Eastern countries and they are protecting their investment. Remember it was the old USSR which took over countries after WWII. While the west helped countries to become autonomous and Democratic it was Russia that built an Iron curtain and took over all the countries they controlled to build an empire.

Europe is ripe for World War III. They have become very lax and do not have the capacity to protect themselves. You might ask why we still have bases in the UK, France, Italy, Germay, etc. It is because they are too cheap to defend themselves and they put millions of free people's lives at risk. I sometimes think the EU only cares about money at the expense of their own people.

This does not mean I support the war in Iraq either. I think it is a fools errand and all the people that voted for it should be put in jail for war crimes.

Or maybe having a few thousands years of war on your home soil staring you in the face every time you walk down the street is enough for them to think maybe war is not worth it.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.

I'm curious what you think the US should do if Russia decided to put missile defense stations in Mexico or Canada to protect North America from the "grave threat" presented by "Venezuela"?

<shrug> If it's any consolation to you, I agree that we shouldn't build a missile shield for Europe. They've been free-riding on the U.S. for years so they can fund lavish social spending. If they'd rather have socialism than spend money on their own defense, let them fall into the Russian sphere of influence.

europe spends plenty of money on its defense, and can handle its own.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd
I don't know if you've heard about the Russian fighters that have come very close to a US aircraft carrier, triggering its security alarms and all...

this has been happening frequently for about half a century.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: piasabird
USSR and later Russia has been selling arms and supplies and helping middle eastern countries for years. They have outstanding loans to many of the countries in the Middle East. They are invested in the Middle Eastern countries and they are protecting their investment. Remember it was the old USSR which took over countries after WWII. While the west helped countries to become autonomous and Democratic it was Russia that built an Iron curtain and took over all the countries they controlled to build an empire.

Europe is ripe for World War III. They have become very lax and do not have the capacity to protect themselves. You might ask why we still have bases in the UK, France, Italy, Germay, etc. It is because they are too cheap to defend themselves and they put millions of free people's lives at risk. I sometimes think the EU only cares about money at the expense of their own people.

This does not mean I support the war in Iraq either. I think it is a fools errand and all the people that voted for it should be put in jail for war crimes.

you realize that several western european countries have militaries that completely over-match russias, right?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.

I think if we would mind our own business, we'd have a lot less problems abroad, and at home.

:thumbsup: We're doing a very crappy job of playing world police.

While Iraq was obviously a blunder, playing world police doesnt only mean military operations and bombing campaigns when some dictator pisses us off. The U.S. military presence around the world is a very stabilizing force for world markets, which benefits everybody, and especially the US. The world will eventually move past major conflict due to the influence of commerce and our interwoven markets, and you can thank the U.S. military and foreign policy for perpetuating that. While we do this all for our own self interest, the world should be relieved such a powerful country as the U.S. doesnt have more sinister interests.

Are you kidding?

sounds reasonable to me.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Wait, wait wait... its BAD for Europeans to spend money on the betterment of the lives of the people? Missile Shields are amazingly ineffective. In tests, they don't even have a 50% effectiveness rate, thats WITH knowing where they are fired from, where they are, their speed, and etc.

Which Holiday Inn Express did you stay in last night? I think you need to do some more research on the latest Interceptor system which has a much higher success rate than 50%.

Do these systems still shoot down 1 missile? Or do these take into account a dozen warheads streaming out of a missile with decoy warheads?

AFAIK, there have been successful tests against multiple (two?) simultaneous targets as well -- even using various methods of interception during different stages of flight.

The point still stands that your "less than 50% successful" figure was off very significantly -- the success rate is much closer to 90% -- and that I know for a fact.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I don't think the people of Europe will forget that the real 'frightening monster' was Soviet Russia. We are less than 20 years away from when the Soviets controlled half of Europe via military and political means.

The people of France may not remember Soviet tyranny, but I am sure the rest of Europe does.

Maybe the lesson for them is to now get rid of the world-wide power of the second and last superpower, now that the USSR is gone. Maybe distributed power, not superpowers is best.