Putin Spreads More Anti-US Sentiment In Europe

jpeyton

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The woeful coverage of international affairs by the media continues. I would think that the leader of Russia (the only superpower that could match our military might) visiting our allies and spreading this kind of speech would be front page news, but apparently not.

Putin makes some strong points. It has been to nobody's political advantage to align itself with the US on foreign policy issues (with leaders around the world winning elections on an anti-Iraq-war platform), and I suspect Putin is also speaking of alliances that have been made in the UN Security Council against Russia-friendly nations like Iran.

And of course, this also targets the American expansion of their sphere of influence into former Soviet states with the proposed missile shield against "Iran" (who actually believes that BS? Everyone knows the missile shield is for Russian missiles).

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By Henry Meyer

May 31 (Bloomberg) -- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin compared the U.S. to a "frightening monster'' and urged France to distance itself from its American ally.

"How can one be such a shining example of democracy at home and a frightening monster abroad?'' Putin said in an interview with French newspaper Le Monde transmitted live to journalists in Paris yesterday.

Putin, speaking the day after meeting French President Nicolas Sarkozy, said the U.S. was creating "new Berlin Walls'' in Europe by pushing the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to expand into ex-Soviet states Georgia and Ukraine.

The Russian prime minister, who passed on the presidency earlier this month to his handpicked successor, Dmitry Medvedev, continues to set the foreign and domestic policy agenda. Under Putin's eight-year presidency, Russia clashed with the U.S. and the European Union over matters such as NATO expansion and a planned U.S. missile-defense system in eastern Europe.

"France, I hope, will continue to conduct an independent foreign policy,'' said Putin, whose interview was embargoed until publication by Le Monde today. "This is in the nature of French people, they don't want their country tied down, and any French leader will have to respect that.''

The election of Medvedev, 42, a lawyer who has called for more dialogue between the East and West, has raised hopes of an eventual thaw. Still, Sarkozy decided to meet with Putin, breaking with the tradition of Group of Eight leaders of dealing with Russia at a presidential level, showing the 55-year-old former KGB colonel's dominant influence.

Presidential Power

Under Russia's constitution, the president is supposed to be solely responsible for foreign policy and has more formal authority than the prime minister, who can be fired by presidential decree and is charged with implementing Kremlin policies.

Putin "remains the pre-eminent power'' in Russia, said Michael Emerson, a former EU ambassador to Moscow and an analyst at the Centre for European Policy Studies in Brussels. "The EU has to deal with the people who are there, both of them.''

Putin, who has threatened to point missiles at Ukraine should it host missile bases as a NATO member, said expanding the military alliance deeper into former Soviet territory risked a return to Cold War competition.

"NATO expansion means drawing up new dividing lines in Europe, new Berlin Walls,'' he said. "This time we can't see them, but they're no less dangerous.''

Military Infrastructure

Putin said Russia sees "military infrastructure coming closer to our borders,'' and denounced the U.S. for seeking a "monopoly in world affairs.''

Asked about the division of power between himself and Medvedev, Putin said that his successor had "the final word.''

At the same time, the Russian premier slipped up by referring to himself as the president of Russia. French Prime Minister Francois Fillon at a press conference two days ago mistakenly called Putin the Russian president three times.

Putin's visit to France -- a month before the country assumes the EU's rotating presidency -- came a week before Medvedev meets with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on his first Western European trip as Russia's head of state.
 

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Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.
I'm curious what you think the US should do if Russia decided to put missile defense stations in Mexico or Canada to protect North America from the "grave threat" presented by "Venezuela"?
 

glenn1

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.
I'm curious what you think the US should do if Russia decided to put missile defense stations in Mexico or Canada to protect North America from the "grave threat" presented by "Venezuela"?

<shrug> If it's any consolation to you, I agree that we shouldn't build a missile shield for Europe. They've been free-riding on the U.S. for years so they can fund lavish social spending. If they'd rather have socialism than spend money on their own defense, let them fall into the Russian sphere of influence.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.

I think if we would mind our own business, we'd have a lot less problems abroad, and at home.
 

sammyunltd

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I'd just be happy somebody is looking out for me. That's all. Putin is just a sh*t-stirrer.

I mean, seriously, I know where all of this is coming from. I would've welcomed it if it was Medvedev saying it but... it is still Putin, proof that he's still running the country. He is known to be Anti-US, nothing new here. Even if the USA would do the most generous thing in the world, he'd still criticize it and twist it around.

IMO, it's him wanting to revive the Cold War, not the other way around. I don't know if you've heard about the Russian fighters that have come very close to a US aircraft carrier, triggering its security alarms and all...

EDIT: And for the record, I don't care coz I'm freeridin' too... I'm Canadian.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: babylon5
This missile defense is a joke. And Americans are paying for this.


Because, sadly, Americans are a joke.

WE voted in NEOCONS TWICE.. two times straight.. like the first 4 years were not enough to tell us how stupid we were once.. we made the same mistake again.. :(
 

ProfJohn

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I don't think the people of Europe will forget that the real 'frightening monster' was Soviet Russia. We are less than 20 years away from when the Soviets controlled half of Europe via military and political means.

The people of France may not remember Soviet tyranny, but I am sure the rest of Europe does.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I don't think the people of Europe will forget that the real 'frightening monster' was Soviet Russia.
Keyword being.

Back to present day issues.
 

Siddhartha

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Mr Bush does not need any help with spreading anti-US sentiment. He is doing a great job with that on his own.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.
I'm curious what you think the US should do if Russia decided to put missile defense stations in Mexico or Canada to protect North America from the "grave threat" presented by "Venezuela"?

Laugh our asses off at them for wasting a ton of money?

That's what I don't get about this whole thing...It really makes no sense to me. Putin is a bastard imho who doesn't seem to like the west....but he's not a moron. He's GOT to know that this missile defense shield will:

cost billions of money we don't have, hurt the U.S. economically, won't work right (if at all), will be extremely easy to work around if it is even somewhat effective, and will in essence be throwing money out the window.

So why the hell is he opposed to it? It would harm America economically!

Putin is basically, by keeping this system from being built, preventing America from borrowing billions of dollars from abroad and hurting our economy more than it already is. He's helping the American people. Why the hell would he want to do that?
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.
I'm curious what you think the US should do if Russia decided to put missile defense stations in Mexico or Canada to protect North America from the "grave threat" presented by "Venezuela"?

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.
I'm curious what you think the US should do if Russia decided to put missile defense stations in Mexico or Canada to protect North America from the "grave threat" presented by "Venezuela"?

<shrug> If it's any consolation to you, I agree that we shouldn't build a missile shield for Europe. They've been free-riding on the U.S. for years so they can fund lavish social spending. If they'd rather have socialism than spend money on their own defense, let them fall into the Russian sphere of influence.

Wait, wait wait... its BAD for Europeans to spend money on the betterment of the lives of the people? Missile Shileds are amazingly ineffective. In tests, they don't even have a 50% effectiveness rate, thats WITH knowing where they are fired from, where they are, their speed, and etc.

I RESPECT Europe for building social programs than spend it on defense against the "threat" that is Russia.

Putin has the right to say what he wants. Hes an amazingly smart and cunning guy, and I respect him for that.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Originally posted by: glenn1
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.
I'm curious what you think the US should do if Russia decided to put missile defense stations in Mexico or Canada to protect North America from the "grave threat" presented by "Venezuela"?

<shrug> If it's any consolation to you, I agree that we shouldn't build a missile shield for Europe. They've been free-riding on the U.S. for years so they can fund lavish social spending. If they'd rather have socialism than spend money on their own defense, let them fall into the Russian sphere of influence.

Wait, wait wait... its BAD for Europeans to spend money on the betterment of the lives of the people? Missile Shileds are amazingly ineffective. In tests, they don't even have a 50% effectiveness rate, thats WITH knowing where they are fired from, where they are, their speed, and etc.

I RESPECT Europe for building social programs than spend it on defense against the "threat" that is Russia.

Putin has the right to say what he wants. Hes an amazingly smart and cunning guy, and I respect him for that.

I laugh at the people who think we are stuck in a time freeze on missile defense systems. As if since the initial projects didnt work 100% of the time, they will never work. Makes me wonder how we got incontinental missiles in the first place as the first ones obviously failed. Many of them didnt make it off the launchpad.

btw here is a hint. If we didnt foot the bill for the defense of Europe. Then Europe's social spending would be smaller than it is today. And I wont even get into the argument about Social spending actually benefitting society on the scale some of these nations and people want. A nations purpose is for the common defense of people. I dont think a nations purpose is wiping the people's collective ass for them.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The woeful coverage of international affairs by the media continues. I would think that the leader of Russia (the only superpower that could match our military might) visiting our allies and spreading this kind of speech would be front page news, but apparently not.[/b]
Putin only talks tough because he is being mostly ignored, and because the same media blackout of the subject is occurring in his own country; so his own people dont even hear the things he's saying.

Putin makes some strong points. It has been to nobody's political advantage to align itself with the US on foreign policy issues (with leaders around the world winning elections on an anti-Iraq-war platform), and I suspect Putin is also speaking of alliances that have been made in the UN Security Council against Russia-friendly nations like Iran.
all... for... oil; and weapons sales, of course.

And of course, this also targets the American expansion of their sphere of influence into former Soviet states with the proposed missile shield against "Iran" (who actually believes that BS? Everyone knows the missile shield is for Russian missiles).
IMO, the shield is a worthwhile investment against any missiles launched by any country, in any direction.

Repeat after me: Russia is not our friend -- they never have been, and they never will be.

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Wait, wait wait... its BAD for Europeans to spend money on the betterment of the lives of the people? Missile Shields are amazingly ineffective. In tests, they don't even have a 50% effectiveness rate, thats WITH knowing where they are fired from, where they are, their speed, and etc.
Which Holiday Inn Express did you stay in last night? I think you need to do some more research on the latest Interceptor system which has a much higher success rate than 50%.
 

piasabird

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USSR and later Russia has been selling arms and supplies and helping middle eastern countries for years. They have outstanding loans to many of the countries in the Middle East. They are invested in the Middle Eastern countries and they are protecting their investment. Remember it was the old USSR which took over countries after WWII. While the west helped countries to become autonomous and Democratic it was Russia that built an Iron curtain and took over all the countries they controlled to build an empire.

Europe is ripe for World War III. They have become very lax and do not have the capacity to protect themselves. You might ask why we still have bases in the UK, France, Italy, Germay, etc. It is because they are too cheap to defend themselves and they put millions of free people's lives at risk. I sometimes think the EU only cares about money at the expense of their own people.

This does not mean I support the war in Iraq either. I think it is a fools errand and all the people that voted for it should be put in jail for war crimes.
 

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.

I think if we would mind our own business, we'd have a lot less problems abroad, and at home.

:thumbsup: We're doing a very crappy job of playing world police.
 

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Putin is just pissy that Russia's historical sphere of influence is ever shrinking as the US and the EU reaches out to former satellite nations. I suspect that being crushed under nearly 50 years of Russian domination via the USSR isn't propelling most of them into Putin's open arms (himself being shady former KGB).

 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Everyone knows the missile shield is for Russian missiles).

no, it's not. russian missiles would quickly overwhelm any system put in place. missile shields only work against countries that have the capability to make and maintain only a few missiles. the russians have thousands of them, and they have MRVs, decoys, etc.
 

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.

I think if we would mind our own business, we'd have a lot less problems abroad, and at home.

:thumbsup: We're doing a very crappy job of playing world police.

While Iraq was obviously a blunder, playing world police doesnt only mean military operations and bombing campaigns when some dictator pisses us off. The U.S. military presence around the world is a very stabilizing force for world markets, which benefits everybody, and especially the US. The world will eventually move past major conflict due to the influence of commerce and our interwoven markets, and you can thank the U.S. military and foreign policy for perpetuating that. While we do this all for our own self interest, the world should be relieved such a powerful country as the U.S. doesnt have more sinister interests.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: sammyunltd
Putin should mind his own business. IMO, he should STFU.

I think if we would mind our own business, we'd have a lot less problems abroad, and at home.

:thumbsup: We're doing a very crappy job of playing world police.

While Iraq was obviously a blunder, playing world police doesnt only mean military operations and bombing campaigns when some dictator pisses us off. The U.S. military presence around the world is a very stabilizing force for world markets, which benefits everybody, and especially the US. The world will eventually move past major conflict due to the influence of commerce and our interwoven markets, and you can thank the U.S. military and foreign policy for perpetuating that. While we do this all for our own self interest, the world should be relieved such a powerful country as the U.S. doesnt have more sinister interests.

Are you kidding?