Seems like Iraq has pretty much shot the image of the US being a "moral" upstanding country.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/...orld/story/441629.html
Putin scoffs at Bush
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Seems like Iraq has pretty much shot the image of the US being a "moral" upstanding country.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/...orld/story/441629.html
idiotekniQues
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putin has a point.
bush be scumbag so can he so fuck off.
it would be funny if it weren't so true.
bush be scumbag so can he so fuck off.
it would be funny if it weren't so true.
TastesLikeChicken
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I love people's "Hey, we did something stupid, so its OK for everyone to!"
War is never good, and always has unintended larger consequences. The small-mindedness and childishness never ceases to amaze me. But hey, it is the internet, I dont know why im surprised.
War is never good, and always has unintended larger consequences. The small-mindedness and childishness never ceases to amaze me. But hey, it is the internet, I dont know why im surprised.
TastesLikeChicken
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Apparently it's an excuse for people to act like partisan tools in this country though. Always has been.
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Georgia struck first.
They didn't expect Russia to actually protect their interests in Southern Ossetia.
They were wrong.
They got their asses handed to them.
Now they're crying for help from the international community, and calling for a "cease fire".
:laugh: Georgia bit off way more than they could chew. They should be thankful they didn't lose a larger chunk of their territory.
They didn't expect Russia to actually protect their interests in Southern Ossetia.
They were wrong.
They got their asses handed to them.
Now they're crying for help from the international community, and calling for a "cease fire".
:laugh: Georgia bit off way more than they could chew. They should be thankful they didn't lose a larger chunk of their territory.
Whether you agree with Russia's recent action or not, you must admit that Bush and Cheney are the LAST TWO FUCKING PEOPLE ON EARTH who should be preaching about invading sovereign nations, supporting separatist movements, and pontificating on what is and is not acceptable in the 21st century. If there are any Russians on this board, I would just like to say that Mr. Bush does not speak for me or any other American I know.
If there are any Georgians here, I'm very sorry for your troubles, but you need to understand that, right or wrong, you CANNOT win a war against Russia, and there is NOTHING the US can do to change that short of WWIII. Speaking only for myself, I am just not willing to leave my family and go fight WWIII over some tiny insignificant territory that has expressed its wish to leave Georgia. And if you wish to force the issue, I can tell honestly that NATO will not save you. So just let them go.
If there are any Georgians here, I'm very sorry for your troubles, but you need to understand that, right or wrong, you CANNOT win a war against Russia, and there is NOTHING the US can do to change that short of WWIII. Speaking only for myself, I am just not willing to leave my family and go fight WWIII over some tiny insignificant territory that has expressed its wish to leave Georgia. And if you wish to force the issue, I can tell honestly that NATO will not save you. So just let them go.
Jaskalas
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I remember several UN sanctions against Iraq over their WMD programs, and an unfinished Gulf War I with the cease fire being violated.
Russia's claim to stop Georgia is legitimate. Their claim to take over and destroy Georgia is something entirely different.
Russia's claim to stop Georgia is legitimate. Their claim to take over and destroy Georgia is something entirely different.
I agree, but that's just one more reason why you don't poke the drunken, sleeping bear. He might not stop at just chasing you out of his cave. He might just eat your entire ass.
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Damn, don't show those to the Saudi king, he will be very jealous!
Russia is definitely no angel, but I agree Fvck face, aka George sh*t for brains has no credibility here whatsoever, mister let's go and annialate a country and a couple hundred thousand Iraqis while we're at it and oh snap I guess they didn't have WMD afterall.
Lemon law
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Sadly for the people of Georgia, its somewhat Western meddling in the region that have them in this mess. Nor do I solely blame GWB&co.
But unlucky Georgia and unlucky Chennia, their terroritory lies on must have routes for Russian piplelines, in my mind, this South Odessia thing is more pretence than real. But the Geogian threat to join Nato was bound to be perceived as a huge threat by Russia, and unless Nato is prepared to go to war over it, it was dangerous to even encourage its leaders.
And now its the people of Georgia who are paying the human price of war, its their infrastructure that is being destroyed, its their lives and families that pay the price, while those Nato leaders who encourged the threat will emerge unscathed. Somewhat someone
elses pawn invested, nothing gained.
In a longer term, the Russians will have their own prices to pay as the seeds of a thriving resistance movement are being planted. While Russia may have to get really totally brutal to even come close to the century and a half of hatreds they have truly earned in Chechnia, what is being done today will ripple over a very long time period.
Somewhat of a question of trust will lie in the future, will Russia, having whipped a small man and covered its leaders in mission accomplished, be content to just reassert control, or will they have the long term vision to rebuild even better on what they destroyed?
But unlucky Georgia and unlucky Chennia, their terroritory lies on must have routes for Russian piplelines, in my mind, this South Odessia thing is more pretence than real. But the Geogian threat to join Nato was bound to be perceived as a huge threat by Russia, and unless Nato is prepared to go to war over it, it was dangerous to even encourage its leaders.
And now its the people of Georgia who are paying the human price of war, its their infrastructure that is being destroyed, its their lives and families that pay the price, while those Nato leaders who encourged the threat will emerge unscathed. Somewhat someone
elses pawn invested, nothing gained.
In a longer term, the Russians will have their own prices to pay as the seeds of a thriving resistance movement are being planted. While Russia may have to get really totally brutal to even come close to the century and a half of hatreds they have truly earned in Chechnia, what is being done today will ripple over a very long time period.
Somewhat of a question of trust will lie in the future, will Russia, having whipped a small man and covered its leaders in mission accomplished, be content to just reassert control, or will they have the long term vision to rebuild even better on what they destroyed?
I think the ultimate poke in the face of the US Administration was that they could not get ANYTHING DONE in regards to de escalating this conflict. Then out of nowhere French president Sarkozy flies over there (in the official Capacity of EU president) and Bam ... Cease fire proceedings are afoot.
Seriously, WTF is going on here?.. Gordon Brown , David Milliband, Condoleezza Rice , George Bush ?? What?? ... have you people spent ALL your clout and influence ? or decided to sit there, wring your hands and pollute the place with stupid Rhetoric and verbal diarrhea expecting Russia to stop on your say so without investing any work into it? Is it me ? or am i interpreting this as France and to a smaller extent the EU getting more clout and influence simply due to the fact that the US and UK have totally maxed out their influence credit with Russia due to their pig headed need to invade Iraq fiasco ?
Seriously, WTF is going on here?.. Gordon Brown , David Milliband, Condoleezza Rice , George Bush ?? What?? ... have you people spent ALL your clout and influence ? or decided to sit there, wring your hands and pollute the place with stupid Rhetoric and verbal diarrhea expecting Russia to stop on your say so without investing any work into it? Is it me ? or am i interpreting this as France and to a smaller extent the EU getting more clout and influence simply due to the fact that the US and UK have totally maxed out their influence credit with Russia due to their pig headed need to invade Iraq fiasco ?
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